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Get ready for Socket M2

4200+ (2.6 Ghz) FX 57 (2.8 Ghz) for Q3

X2 5000+ for M2 @ 2.667 Ghz looks interesting. I wonder if there are any performance increases from the new socket.
 
Originally posted by: clarkey01
X2 5000+ for M2 @ 2.667 Ghz looks interesting. I wonder if there are any performance increases from the new socket.
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Yeah, that's what I wonder too. I'm probably still going to do just a regular 939/PCI-E build this year though (hopefully with an X2), because I can't wait forever and ever to finally ditch my Athlon XP. 😛
 
Perhaps the new platform is more suited for dual core, I cant see any other reason for replacing 939 so soon unless there's some advantages.
 
2 interesting things: 1) They are going for 667 and not 533MHz DDRII.
") AMD has an onboard memory controller, which reduced latencies, BUT DDRII comes with increased latencies. I would guess they'll try and do some work to minimise the effect of DDRII so it might be interesting to see how it negatively effects performance.
 
Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
AMD gonna stay with 90nm forever...
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My guess would be Q2 2006.They have the fab built and are testing the 65nm stuff as we speak, wafers were just shipped to them (300mm).
 
Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
AMD gonna stay with 90nm forever...
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Err, they have 65nm in the works.
FAB36 will be 90/65nm production, FAB30 will stay at 130/90nm I believe and not be re-tooled.
Basically they're expecting FAB36 to be running beginning of 2006, which would be too early to release 65nm M2 processors also in early 2006.
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
AMD gonna stay with 90nm forever...
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Err, they have 65nm in the works.
FAB36 will be 90/65nm production, FAB30 will stay at 130/90nm I believe and not be re-tooled.
Basically they're expecting FAB36 to be running beginning of 2006, which would be too early to release 65nm M2 processors also in early 2006.
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Yeah there's alot of focus on the FAB 30 carrying AMD until 36 get its act together. Pitty they wont retool it, they could offer FAB 30 for production of CPU's for dell, and FAB 36 (has nearly twice the cacapcity) for the rest of us.
 
DDRII 667 implies a 333 "FSB", doesn't it?

I wonder how easy it will be for motherboard manufacturers to be able to support that synchronously. I mean only DFI, MSI and Abit boards can probably overclock to that speed in 1:1 now on S939. Even if they do reach that, how much more overclocking headroom is going to be there with 1:1? If they do not run 1:1, I dont really see any benefit to DDR2 667?

 
This is horrible news on the OC front.

First off DDR2 is slow as hell compared to high end DDR mem like TCCD @ 300Mhz or UTT @ 260Mhz 2-2-2. Trust me. My X2 @ 2.67 with DDR will blow the doors off that one in ANY test. You basically need 1.5x more (external) speed in DDR2 to equal DDR. 667 does not qualify since it's only 333Mhz. What you really need is DDR2 900 to equal some TCCD @ DDR600. Is that even possible?

Second is basic OCing of the chip which will be horrendous on the low end chips. No more taking a low end chip and clocking sky high because you are limited from the get go with already high bandwidth.

Take for example that 2.3 Ghz A64 with a 7x multi listed there.

What do you need to clock to 2.9?

414Mhz bus, i.e. Is that even possible with chipsets and memory? Doubt it.

Nevermind it if you buy lower end chips like the 2Ghz with 6x.

There you'd need 483Mhz chipsets and mem aka, DDR2 1000... Thats PC2-8000!!!!:Q

Low multis are horrible news. I'm not waiting for this garbage!!!


But good at stock speeds.. will show better in the benchmarks with LL DDR2-667 @ 3-3-3
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
This is horrible news on the OC front.

First off DDR2 is slow as hell compared to high end DDR mem like TCCD @ 300Mhz or UTT @ 260Mhz 2-2-2. Trust me. My X2 @ 2.67 with DDR will blow the doors off that one in ANY test. You basically need 1.5x more (external) speed in DDR2 to equal DDR. 667 does not qualify since it's only 333Mhz. What you really need is DDR2 900 to equal some TCCD @ DDR600. Is that even possible?

Second is basic OCing of the chip which will be horrendous on the low end chips. No more taking a low end chip and clocking sky high because you are limited from the get go with already high bandwidth.

Take for example that 2.3 Ghz A64 with a 7x multi listed there.

What do you need to clock to 2.9?

414Mhz bus, i.e. Is that even possible with chipsets and memory? Doubt it.

Nevermind it if you buy lower end chips like the 2Ghz with 6x.

There you'd need 483Mhz chipsets and mem aka, DDR2 1000... Thats PC2-8000!!!!:Q

Low multis are horrible news. I'm not waiting for this garbage!!!


But good at stock speeds.. will show better in the benchmarks with LL DDR2-667 @ 3-3-3
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DDRII 1066MHz is being tested, and there are already memory sets which can hit 1000MHz.
JEDEC expect DDR2 to scale to 1066MHz
Corsair offers memory rated at PC8000 (1000MHz)

So yeah, it's possible. We have the memory ready already.
 
Chipsets is my concern. I know memory is hitting. But how many boards can hit 500Mhz FSB?
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Chipsets is my concern. I know memory is hitting. But how many boards can hit 500Mhz FSB?
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But those boards, will haave a 333 stock rather than 200 stock...Most current boads can't even do 333....SO obviosly there will be a new chipset. Nforce5 maybe? Still a year to go.
 
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Zebo
Chipsets is my concern. I know memory is hitting. But how many boards can hit 500Mhz FSB?
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But those boards, will haave a 333 stock rather than 200 stock...Most current boads can't even do 333....SO obviosly there will be a new chipset. Nforce5 maybe? Still a year to go.
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yeah true everyone is talking about new sockets .. but no one is thinking of new chipsets, so people need to think forward, of course the chips sets are going to be able to scale further ...
 
I'm gonna get me some of that Windsor.. BTW, wasn't Windsor supposed to be out in 4 flavours? X2 5000+ through X2 5800+?
 
What concerns me is this "pacifica" security technology. I vowed never to touch a Pentium D(RM) because of what Intel has done with that stuff, and now AMD is sipping the poison as well?!? :shocked:
 
Originally posted by: bjc112
I still can't believe AMD isn't busting out 3ghz until Mid 2006..

😛
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I can't believe that even though AMD haven't busted out 3GHz yet, Intel still can't compete 😛
 
Originally posted by: ProviaFan
What concerns me is this "pacifica" security technology. I vowed never to touch a Pentium D(RM) because of what Intel has done with that stuff, and now AMD is sipping the poison as well?!? :shocked:
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Pacifica has nothing to do with DRM, ProviaFan. I believe it's an addition (or more revision?) of X-Bit.
 
This does seem rather bad for OCers, but i'd like to think the max HTT will have improved drastically with the future chipsets.

 
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