Germans haven't changed

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dribgnikcom

yahh, right, now tell me who they fought against? thats right, americans

Is it just me Czar or are all Swedes, Finlandians, and Icelandians I meet on the internet virulently Anti-American and Anti-Israel!?

BTW 308nato I love ur sig it's so true... (About the liberal part)

just people from the scandinavian countries are more peaceful than your average american and therefore very often object to actions taken by the US and Israel. Also there is a phrase that is in icelandic "sá vægir sem vitið hefur meira", which is sadly hard to translate but basicly means that in a conflict the wiser one should show an example and find a peaceful way out of a conflict.

and judging from your last line there you love to hate

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: kenleung

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: dribgnikcom

Yes, all of them, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! And ALL Americans are racists who torture black people, i know, because i once read an article about it and i know about the KKK TOO!

America fought FOR black civil rights in a bloody war. Germany fought AGAINST Jews which led to a massacre. It would be delirious to assume that all Americans hate blacks when America as a whole continuously fought for their rights for quite a while.

yahh, right, now tell me who they fought against? thats right, americans

And who instituted slavery in the New World? Thats right, Europeans.

Where do white americans come from? Europe!

This is pointless.

Actually in a roundabout way I think you got the point. Almost any people can point to heinous acts both committed by them as well as committed against them. As is human nature they tend to ignore the ones they committed while nursing for generations the resentments regarding those committed against them.

 

[dribgnikcom]

just people from the scandinavian countries are more peaceful than your average american and therefore very often object to actions taken by the US and Israel. Also there is a phrase that is in icelandic "sá vægir sem vitið hefur meira", which is sadly hard to translate but basicly means that in a conflict the wiser one should show an example and find a peaceful way out of a conflict.

Well I dont expect any less from you hippies living in a dreamworld cushioned by Germany. You dont know what worry is, but one day you will see.

It's so easy for you to judge there...

 

[Pooteh]

Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany


happy reading


Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
Using newspapers and radio broadcasts of the day as evidence, Gellately (The Gestapo and German Society), Strassler Professor in Holocaust History at Clark University, effectively demonstrates how "ordinary Germans" evolved into a powerful base of support for the Nazi regime. Although Hitler and the National Socialists had never garnered an outright majority in elections before 1933, the author convincingly shows that "the great majority of the German people soon became devoted to Hitler and they supported him to the bitter end in 1945." The Nazis achieved this political miracle by "consensus." The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci argued that political regimes could hardly expect to use unlimited terror against their subjects a technique combining the threat of terror and coercion would be more effective. Using Gramscian theory is hardly new in an analysis of Nazi Germany, but Gellately does make a provocative claim: that the Nazi use of terror against certain categories of "undesirables" (first Communists, Socialists and trade unionists, then Catholic and Protestant opponents, then the mentally and/or physically impaired, then the Jews and Gypsies) was purposively public and that most Germans agreed with such policies. Decrees, legislation, police actions and the concentration camps were not meant to be hidden from the German people, but in fact were extensively publicized. Some of the same arguments have been made in Adam Lebor and Roger Boyes's Seduced by Hitler (Forecasts, Mar. 26), but readers will notice that Gellately offers a far more sophisticated argument and more abundant evidence than Daniel Goldhagen's cause c?l?bre, Hitler's Willing Executioners. In truth, Gellately's work is what Goldhagen's book could have been, but wasn't; that is, a closely reasoned and tightly constructed analysis. 42 illus. not seen by PW.

Copyright 2001 Cahners Business Information, Inc

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dribgnikcom

just people from the scandinavian countries are more peaceful than your average american and therefore very often object to actions taken by the US and Israel. Also there is a phrase that is in icelandic "sá vægir sem vitið hefur meira", which is sadly hard to translate but basicly means that in a conflict the wiser one should show an example and find a peaceful way out of a conflict.

Well I dont expect any less from you hippies living in a dreamworld cushioned by Germany. You dont know what worry is, but one day you will see.

It's so easy for you to judge there...

ever been to germany?

 

[SleepingRaven]

I want to make it short.
Hi ,I usually only read this forum but I wanted to say something to this thread.
That Article is ****
First of all I am a German Oriental mix
Almost all of the foreigners in Germany fence themselves out by themselves.
They always what to have their way and do not what to integrate or compromise.
OK that is fine with me, but the problem is that they all try to push forward their Ideas and if you are against them the first thing They scream is you are a Nazi.

!MY POINT IS THAT FOREIGNERS AND CERTAIN GERMANS ARE BREEDING THE NAZIS THEMSELVES!

 

[SuperTool]

It is my strong belief that insufficient numbers of both Germans and Japanese were killed in WW2
The catastrophe that the world suffered at the hands of Germany would have justified annihalating that nation entirely.
Ukraine suffered 10x worse that Germany in WW2. Jewish people suffered 10x more than German people.
Because of Cold War, both Germany and Japan got away with murder.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It is my strong belief that insufficient numbers of both Germans and Japanese were killed in WW2
The catastrophe that the world suffered at the hands of Germany would have justified annihalating that nation entirely.
Ukraine suffered 10x worse that Germany in WW2. Jewish people suffered 10x more than German people.
Because of Cold War, both Germany and Japan got away with murder.

sick sick sick :disgust:

 

[SuperTool]

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

I'll second Czar on this one, WTF do you want? Both Germany and Japan have abandoned all thought of conquest/Manifest Destiny(as it were) you want them all to die too?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

those actions where taken by a few that affected many, now do you realy want to join them and take a action that affect many?
I realy must say that of all the things I'v read on this forum your comment was probably the most shocking and disgusting ever:disgust:

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SuperTool

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

I'll second Czar on this one, WTF do you want? Both Germany and Japan have abandoned all thought of conquest/Manifest Destiny(as it were) you want them all to die too?

Oh please. I didn't say they all should have been killed, but certainly USSR would be justified if it did that. Look at it this way. If Russia sent nukes and killed 20% of our population, what do you think would happen to it? That's right, it would be annihalated in about 1 hr.
What we have now is unrepentent Japan, which got to keep it's emperor, to honor it's war criminals, and still doesn't accept full responsibility for its actions. We also have a Germany that is increasingly anti-Semitic, both unofficially with neo-nazi groups and officially with it's stand on Israel's policies.
Maybe if they suffered a little more during WW2, they would have been more humble and wary of their tendencies. Instead both of them got a golden parachute during cold war, and really haven't learned their lessons.

 

[DorkBoy]

One day people will open their eyes and they will realize that people simply hate other people.

Race, color, sex, religion, ... whatever.

Humans are mean and sick, wherever you go around the world it's all the same.

We are doomed

 

[Czar]

SuperTool,
has the US been "punished" for the vietnam war? shouldnt you wish for more americans to die also?

:disgust:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 308nato
Interesting arguments on both sides. As far as the german people not knowing what was going on.

Ever smell your neighbor cooking a steak ? Couple little t-bones merrily sizzling away can be smelled for quite a ways. Now, have you ever smelled putrifying flesh ? Burning putrified flesh ? The t-bones aroma pales in comparison.

Ovens going round the clock for months incinerating hair, bone, teeth of people by the millions would not have been confused with the smell of sauerbraten for the troops. To insinuate that the German people were unaware of what was happening to the jews, gypsies, slav's, etc. etc. is laughable at best.

Hmm, well consider that the camps were away from towns in wilderness areas. Also the ovens would **not** have smelled like a steakhouse, from a distance you wouldn't be able to discern the odour from those camps from the odour of a wood fire, which there would have been many as a source of heat/cooking.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: SuperTool

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

those actions where taken by a few that affected many, now do you realy want to join them and take a action that affect many?
I realy must say that of all the things I'v read on this forum your comment was probably the most shocking and disgusting ever:disgust:

Oh, here we go with more "innocent civilian" garbage. The German people supported the Nazis, hated the Jews. They supported Germany on the home front. They stood to benefit from German army's conquests in the east in terms of living space and slave labour. I would classify them in classes ranging from "human shields" to "noncombatant collaborators", but they were certainly, with very few exceptions, not "innocent civilians". They had it coming.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Czar
SuperTool,
has the US been "punished" for the vietnam war? shouldnt you wish for more americans to die also?

:disgust:

Our goal in Vietnam was not annihalation of the Vietnamese people and conquest of their land. You have to understand that Germany chose to raise the stakes and make it a total war of annihalation. Therefore they should have been returned the favor.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: SuperTool

sick sick sick :disgust:

Oh please. Germany fought a war of annihalation in the east, and the committed genocide on Jews. Annihalation of Germany and genocide of German people would not have been unjustified. Not saying it would have been the correct course of action, but certainly justified. They raised the stakes, so they had it coming to them.

those actions where taken by a few that affected many, now do you realy want to join them and take a action that affect many?
I realy must say that of all the things I'v read on this forum your comment was probably the most shocking and disgusting ever:disgust:

Oh, here we go with more "innocent civilian" garbage. The German people supported the Nazis, hated the Jews. They supported Germany on the home front. They stood to benefit from German army's conquests in the east in terms of living space and slave labour. I would classify them in classes ranging from "human shields" to "noncombatant collaborators", but they were certainly, with very few exceptions, not "innocent civilians". They had it coming.

I don't know about the Japanese, there are probably fewer "innocent civilians" in Japan then in Germany. Later in the war Germany had to use teenagers and kids to fight, they're not savages, when they want to surrender their commanders shoot them. Did allied forces slaughter japanese or german civilians? no they didn't because they know it's wrong. not all german people supported the nazis and not all japanese people supported the aggression. this is pure ignorance.

 

[SleepingRaven]

It is my strong belief that insufficient numbers of both Germans and Japanese were killed in WW2

FUNNY MAN, FEEDING THE NAZIS ARE WE NOT ?

By the way, ever hear of Fritz Haber (1868-1934) ,using your logic the Jews got back what they deserved.


http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/haber.htm

http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/ypres2.htm