Germans haven't changed
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This is written by William E. Grim. What an author! A quick search of Google shows he is truly a legend in his own mind!
Well debate the FACTS of the article.
The German police did warn Jews earlier this year that if they wore their skullcaps in the streets or anything that signifies that they're Jewish, they couldn't protect them.
Then they took that back when they realized how stupid they looked.
The mainstream German magazine "Der Shpiegel" had the nerve to compare Sharon to Hitler. It's like the Germans disassociate themselves from Hitler like he "magically came into power".
The German police did warn Jews earlier this year that if they wore their skullcaps in the streets or anything that signifies that they're Jewish, they couldn't protect them.
Then they took that back when they realized how stupid they looked.
The mainstream German magazine "Der Shpiegel" had the nerve to compare Sharon to Hitler. It's like the Germans disassociate themselves from Hitler like he "magically came into power".
The first one isn't anti-semitism. Even the IDF can't protect jews. And German police dont have enough manpower to protect every
jew. It was a stupid statement but its not antisemitic.
Secondly, der shpiegel (or however it is spelled) is a piece of crap. They like to misquote prominent politicians (recently Shimon Peres)
for sensationalism and incitement.
Its true that germans are sick of hearing about the holocaust but germany is probably israel's best friend other than the US.
EDIT: european antisemitic attacks are usually caused by arabs and muslims, btw
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I just got back from being in Europe for 6 weeks. All of Europe is anti-semitic!
I asked quite a few Jews on vacation in Europe from Israel if they preferred Clinton or Bush in terms of foreign policy towards the Middle East. Bush was the hands on favorite.
I asked quite a few Jews on vacation in Europe from Israel if they preferred Clinton or Bush in terms of foreign policy towards the Middle East. Bush was the hands on favorite.
will never understand how Arabs could support Hitler. Arabs are semitic themselves, do they think Hitler would have been buds with them? Arabs and Jews are actually of the same race the problem is religion. To hitler, the problem was race.
From their front page:
This website has a lot of satire, like millenium said. But, then again, they also had this article, which appears to be quite serious. I think that's a bad idea, mixing and matching without differentiating between the two, because now I'm not sure if the article is a serious editorial or a really un-funny satire.
Is anti-semitism a problem? Yes.
Is over-generalizations about Germans a problem? Also yes.
[Edit: Took me two tries to get that even close to being understandable]
This website has a lot of satire, like millenium said. But, then again, they also had this article, which appears to be quite serious. I think that's a bad idea, mixing and matching without differentiating between the two, because now I'm not sure if the article is a serious editorial or a really un-funny satire.
Is anti-semitism a problem? Yes.
Is over-generalizations about Germans a problem? Also yes.
[Edit: Took me two tries to get that even close to being understandable]
Incorrect. Arabs are the descendants of HAM thus they are Hammites. Jews and Arabs do share the same father though, Abraham. Jews decend from Sarah, Abraham's wife, who's son was Isaac, and Arabs descend Ishmael the son of Abrahams concubine, Hagar.
What's your point? Okay, Germany has Anti-Semitism. First of all, anti-Semitism has existed since Jews existed and will continue to exist as long as they do. Racism has existed since the beginning of time and will continue to exist as long as everybody doesn't look the same. Sexism has existed since the beginning of time and will continue...you can extend this into the future - sooner or later we'll have clone-ism, AI-ism, etc...
You get my point? Secondly, you can't say the entire country hasn't changed because there is still anti-Semitism. First of all, thinking that it would disappear from Germany all together after World War II is a naive concept to begin with. Yes, it's been greatly reduced. But since it's making a "comeback" (and if indeed Neo-Nazi groups can be equated to the power and influence of the Third Reich, a laughable comparison) you can't judge the entire nation and its people, which is a mistake a lot of people make. I know a lot of Germans personally and they sure as hell aren't Neo-Nazis.
By the way, anybody know that terrorism in this country has been alive for the last sixty or more years? We're home to one of the first organized terrorist groups in the world! The Klu Klux Klan is still alive and strong today - so is racism, decades after the Civil Rights Act. These things just keep on going on strong - if not in one area, then another. We do our best to eliminate them, but they will continue to exist. Bring attention to it, but don't make sweeping generalizations...that's an "-ism" in itself!
You get my point? Secondly, you can't say the entire country hasn't changed because there is still anti-Semitism. First of all, thinking that it would disappear from Germany all together after World War II is a naive concept to begin with. Yes, it's been greatly reduced. But since it's making a "comeback" (and if indeed Neo-Nazi groups can be equated to the power and influence of the Third Reich, a laughable comparison) you can't judge the entire nation and its people, which is a mistake a lot of people make. I know a lot of Germans personally and they sure as hell aren't Neo-Nazis.
By the way, anybody know that terrorism in this country has been alive for the last sixty or more years? We're home to one of the first organized terrorist groups in the world! The Klu Klux Klan is still alive and strong today - so is racism, decades after the Civil Rights Act. These things just keep on going on strong - if not in one area, then another. We do our best to eliminate them, but they will continue to exist. Bring attention to it, but don't make sweeping generalizations...that's an "-ism" in itself!
dribgnikcom
I think you have your facts a little wrong. They are both decended from the same family, Noah and his wife were their ancestors.
Bleep
I think you have your facts a little wrong. They are both decended from the same family, Noah and his wife were their ancestors.
Bleep
Well put.
The article is utter bull... It is true that there was a scandal with the liberal party ( for making certain statements), which spawned an antisemitism debate, and some opinion research which suggested that some 20% of the german population is antisemitic. I do not believe that, honestly. I couldnt care less what kind of religion somebody is following. Ppl can believe, practice whatever they want as long as they dont try to force me to follow something, ppl can do whatever they care for. I really wonder sometimes what antisemitism means. I would understand it as hatred toward Jews. But in this antisemitism debate in Germany it seemed like, a person (german) is antisemitic if this person dares to critisize Israel. If that is antisemitic than I wonder how that is supposed to fit democracy and freedom of speech. Prejeduces and Generalizations (towards Jews) certainly fit into the antisemitic category but heck then ppl are anti........ to alot of things depending which prejeduces they voice and prejeduces there are alot (lefts, rights, punks, any nationality, old drivers wearing hats, Bavarians, NorthGermans... u name it.
Anyway I do not think there are more generalizytions about Jews than in any other place. This Guy (the writer) is either paranoid and/or is hanging out with the wrong crowd. On the other hand, it is Bavariy he living in - Bavaria sucks, at least their ultra-right wing homophobic government. But somebody elects them so I guess Bavarians are pretty right wing and homophobic (edit: ooops I guess the ord I menat is XENO -phobic). I know alot of ppl that left bavaria, germans (often because of the bavarian drug policy and police herassement when u dont look like the average bavarian law abiding citizen) and foreigners (mainly due to police herassment [having to show passports constantly, being searched, just generally constantly being treated like a criminal (happens to germans too if u have the certain looks like long hair or punky appearence).
Well I guess I am generalizing about Bavaria but its election time and the Prime minister of bavaria is trying to become chancellor and so far the estimates have him in front - if that is the case I am in fear for my laisse fair living in Hessen. And I fear with a bavarian style right wing government we will get the same strict laws and police everywhere as they do in Bavaria.
That is just ridiculous. If anything, Germany has problems with anti-anti-semitism.
Just saying a joke with a jew in it is frowned as a serious No-No in social circles. Any criticism on judaism is seriously discouraged.
Just saying a joke with a jew in it is frowned as a serious No-No in social circles. Any criticism on judaism is seriously discouraged.
I just think it's a bit odd that your people who's predecessors killed millions of Jews think they have a duty in directly criticizing Israel and always supporting it's enemies. Der Shpiegel comparing Hitler, who your people (And perhaps even your direct grandfather) enthusiastically loved until his demise, to Sharon is absurd and I consider that Anti-Semetic.
I am glad you can make rash generalizations about someone's family and culture like that. You obviously ignore the Germans that did try to help or that didn't know about the Concentration Camps. You are hell bent on demonizing any country that doesn't give Israel everything they want. Get a real argument.
I dont know where u get this bull$5/t from that "Der Spiegel" compared Sharon with Hitler. There was a politician of the liberal party who made statements that were somewhere in this this direction (although he didnt compare Sharon with Hitler) and der Spiegel ( a very good News magazine ( certainly not misquoting ppl to make sensational news like someone suggested - its anything but a sensational News magazine dont mistike it with Bild Zeitung) most certainly printed that statement. You know its news scandalous ones at thaT.
If u think I cannot critisize Israel than maybe u should move to free country because in free countries ppl can critisize whatever they feel to critisize (positive or negative). Actually critisizm is the basis of democrocy. I also dont see where Germany is supporting Israels enemies. I also dont see where critisizing Israels Politics has something to do with hating Jews.
I make generalizations due to the majority. The majority of Germans knew quite well where the Jews were going (Gee I wonder where all the Jews on the block went, why are their stores run by other people now).
The point is that their governments and media are still spouting Anti-Semetic propaganda in the form of Anti-Israel lies. The funny thing about the Germans is that eventhough Germany is Judenfrei, they still hate the Jews. What a vile people.
Well in that sense Hitler was elected democratically. Germany was socialist-democratic at the time. That's why I criticize the German people, this is where their "democracy" leads them, the same place it lead them then.
No it was derSpiegel which directly compared the two I recall reading about that I can dig it up if you want.
To Germany's credit, there was a smalltime news station which did a review about the shooting of Muhammad Al-Durah and concluded that the bullet that killed him couldn't have come from the Israelis, yes so I am not criticizing ALL Germans, but this is where it may come to.
Hitler was not elected democratically - it is well known that the elections were faked (for lack of a better/the right word) Besides, there were many factors the led to the rise of Hitler but I am no historian nor is history my hobby so I would be the wrong person to debate historical details.
Yes, be so kind and dig up the article. I dont recall such an article. Thanks
Yes, be so kind and dig up the article. I dont recall such an article. Thanks
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