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Gerald Ford Dead
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sonoma1993
Diamond Member
rest in peace Gerald Ford.
Ford was responsible for giving the US's approval for one of the worst genocides of the era to take place, Indonesia invading East Timor.
Nearly a quarter million, a third of the population, were killed during the occupation, which ended in 1999 when Clinton and the international community brought pressure on them.
The Indonesians relied on US arms, which had been given under a law which restricted their use to defense, which Ford illegally allowed them to violate.
They denied for years that the invasion had been discussed on their visit to Jakarta, which took place the day before the invasion. Later declassification found this was a lie.
I'm generally in favor in a thread like this of the positive being noted, but there are limits, when there are historic wrongs and history is being misrepresented.
Nearly a quarter million, a third of the population, were killed during the occupation, which ended in 1999 when Clinton and the international community brought pressure on them.
The Indonesians relied on US arms, which had been given under a law which restricted their use to defense, which Ford illegally allowed them to violate.
They denied for years that the invasion had been discussed on their visit to Jakarta, which took place the day before the invasion. Later declassification found this was a lie.
I'm generally in favor in a thread like this of the positive being noted, but there are limits, when there are historic wrongs and history is being misrepresented.
Vic
Elite Member
Azndude2190
Golden Member
🙁
ProfJohn
Lifer
A few things about Ford that most on here do not know.
ESPN is calling him the best athlete to ever be President, he was the two-way center on two national championship football teams and turned down offers from the NFL to attend law school. All the SNL skits about him being a klutz was just political humor that left the wrong impression about him.
Many are talking about how ?normal? Ford was as a person. There were no inner demons, no allegations of womanizing, no history of drinking, no enemies list it was like the guy who lived on the corner and everyone liked became President.
He along with Bush 41 are probably the last presidents to not be demonized by one side or the other (outside of the Craig?s of the world) As claimed by one side or the other: Carter is out of touch and lives in a world where good intentions lead to good results, Reagan is over rated and his accomplishments aren?t a result of his actions, Clinton suffered from personal faults and a failed foreign policy and we do not even have to talk about Bush 43. Ford, and Bush 41, are presidents from a past era where the president retied and faded from public view and stayed out of public policy, probably the way it should be.
ESPN is calling him the best athlete to ever be President, he was the two-way center on two national championship football teams and turned down offers from the NFL to attend law school. All the SNL skits about him being a klutz was just political humor that left the wrong impression about him.
Many are talking about how ?normal? Ford was as a person. There were no inner demons, no allegations of womanizing, no history of drinking, no enemies list it was like the guy who lived on the corner and everyone liked became President.
He along with Bush 41 are probably the last presidents to not be demonized by one side or the other (outside of the Craig?s of the world) As claimed by one side or the other: Carter is out of touch and lives in a world where good intentions lead to good results, Reagan is over rated and his accomplishments aren?t a result of his actions, Clinton suffered from personal faults and a failed foreign policy and we do not even have to talk about Bush 43. Ford, and Bush 41, are presidents from a past era where the president retied and faded from public view and stayed out of public policy, probably the way it should be.
Steeplerot
Lifer
Come back when you actually make it above golden member and you actually contribute to the forum.
Steeplerot
Lifer
*Hands out Vic, PJs and Jrenz meds*
Paddington
Senior member
Gerald Ford, dead today at the senseless age of 93.
He was attacked and eaten by wolves.
Reuters reports he was delicious.
He was attacked and eaten by wolves.
Reuters reports he was delicious.
HombrePequeno
Diamond Member
imported_Lothar
Diamond Member
An almost unbalded Cheney photo...
Now, that's getting saved. 😉
for you glorious achievement of being a diamond member.Ford was a man that honestly never wanted the presidency. However, when it was thrust upon him, in the most difficult of times, he rose to the challenge. He was a good steward to the nation and helped us move on.
Unlike, a typical elected president he never bothered worrying about a convoluted legacy, or even had time to develop policy - he worried about immediate issues that were tearing the nation apart. At that point, this is what the nation needed. A truely honest man who could prove to the people that, yes, there were people in government that could be honorable.
Cheers.
Unlike, a typical elected president he never bothered worrying about a convoluted legacy, or even had time to develop policy - he worried about immediate issues that were tearing the nation apart. At that point, this is what the nation needed. A truely honest man who could prove to the people that, yes, there were people in government that could be honorable.
Cheers.
techs
Lifer
SECRET TAPES JUST REVEALED. FORD BLASTS BUSH AND CHENEY ON IRAQ WAR IN 2004.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ford_iraq
In his embargoed July 2004 interview with The Washington Post, Ford said the Iraq war was not justified, the Post reported Wednesday night
Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously, the Post's Bob Woodward wrote.
In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney ? Ford's White House chief of staff ? and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his secretary of defense.
"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."
In an interview given with the same ground rules to the New York Daily News last May, Ford said he thought Bush had erred by staking the invasion on claims Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
" Saddam Hussein was an evil person and there was justification to get rid of him," he observed to the Daily News. "But we shouldn't have put the basis on weapons of destruction. That was a bad mistake. Where does (Bush) get his advice?"
In the Daily News interview, Ford was more defensive about Cheney and Rumsfeld. Asked why Cheney had tanked in public opinion polls, he smiled. "Dick's a classy guy, but he's not an electrified orator," Ford said.
The former president did not like Bush's domestic surveillance program.
"It may be a necessary evil," Ford conceded. "I don't think it's a terrible transgression, but I would never do it. I was dumbfounded when I heard they were doing it."
Wow. Makes you wonder how many real Republicans out there are against what Bush is doing but won't speak out (until their dead).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ford_iraq
In his embargoed July 2004 interview with The Washington Post, Ford said the Iraq war was not justified, the Post reported Wednesday night
Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously, the Post's Bob Woodward wrote.
In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney ? Ford's White House chief of staff ? and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his secretary of defense.
"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."
In an interview given with the same ground rules to the New York Daily News last May, Ford said he thought Bush had erred by staking the invasion on claims Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
" Saddam Hussein was an evil person and there was justification to get rid of him," he observed to the Daily News. "But we shouldn't have put the basis on weapons of destruction. That was a bad mistake. Where does (Bush) get his advice?"
In the Daily News interview, Ford was more defensive about Cheney and Rumsfeld. Asked why Cheney had tanked in public opinion polls, he smiled. "Dick's a classy guy, but he's not an electrified orator," Ford said.
The former president did not like Bush's domestic surveillance program.
"It may be a necessary evil," Ford conceded. "I don't think it's a terrible transgression, but I would never do it. I was dumbfounded when I heard they were doing it."
Wow. Makes you wonder how many real Republicans out there are against what Bush is doing but won't speak out (until their dead).
imported_Lothar
Diamond Member
Nice of you to spam this through his condolences thread.
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