Geosurface
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Okay so here's a .gif I just made of the relevant moments in the surveillence tape:
and here's a link to a video which characterizes what's going on very much the way Joe_U sees things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzbIvr__zsc
I can completely understand why people would look at it and think he's grabbing a gun, but that impression dissolves once you look more closely, watch the video leading up to and following this portion, and think about a few key factors.
1.) The police found no gun on him, and Shellie and her father saw no gun.
2.) The gun was in his truck, not on his person.
3.) Zimmerman is known to use a holster which goes at your side/back area on your waist, not a shoulder holster.
4.) He's wearing a buttoned shirt, and keeping a gun under a buttoned shirt, presumably against your bare skin, would be not only extremely uncomfortable and unusual, but also impractical. How are you going to get through those buttons in time to retrieve it if you need it?
5.) Most importantly: We have a much better explanation of why his hand is up in his armpit area. This moment in the video occurs after he has grabbed the iPad (off camera) from Shellie, and he has brought it out to the driveway area. He still has it in his right hand at the moment captured here. We know this because it doesn't go anywhere else. He doesn't drop it, throw it, or put it down. After this part of the tape, he's still got it and he goes about destroying it, then tossing it down. But at this point in the tape, it's still in his right hand.
That hand can't be simultaneously holding an iPad and tucking it under his left arm (presumably to prevent it from being grabbed back by her father) which is something we KNOW that hand was doing, AND also somehow be reaching for a gun... a gun which wasn't there anyway.
Of course, it's possible Shellie and/or her father interpreted that as what he was going for... but, that doesn't make a lot of sense either. They knew he had the iPad, and instead of a grainy video, they were right there seeing it under his arm. So I'm inclined to think that they were being dramatic and/or liars to advantage themselves in the divorce and to get the cops on their side.
But who knows? In the end, even if they were utterly convinced he was threatening them with a gun, they turned out to be wrong. The police found no weapon or holster on Zimmerman, and those who made the claim admit they never saw a firearm. A witness who was in his car apparently attests that the gun remained in there throughout the entire thing, and wasn't taken with him or brought back.
So what we have here is not a man threatening anyone with a gun, but a man behaving in a bit of a douchey, childish, hotheaded fashion. He's going through a rough divorce, his wife is yanking his chain about which day she'll retrieve her belongings, when she's going to show up, and was doing some pretty blatant "mess with you" shit re: the scheduling via text. Then he comes, seemingly, to verify what she is taking, and she's following him around with the iPad filming him.
I think they're both behaving poorly, and I don't think it's too surprising under their circumstances. I think she's using the mythos which surrounds him and the media which hates him, as a chess piece in the divorce. As leverage, and as payback. Playing to what people already are primed to think about him, etc.
The decision to do an interview today with NBC, of all networks, tells me that she, at the best of her lawyer probably, is deliberately trying to get under his skin, and make him look worse. It's unfortunate that he obliged.
After watching it several times, I do believe what you see him doing is tucking the iPad under his arm, and then beckoning his father in law likely with something close to "go ahead, c'mon, try to take it back, c'mon! I dare ya!" with the implication being "I can take you" not "I'm going to shoot you"
and here's a link to a video which characterizes what's going on very much the way Joe_U sees things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzbIvr__zsc
I can completely understand why people would look at it and think he's grabbing a gun, but that impression dissolves once you look more closely, watch the video leading up to and following this portion, and think about a few key factors.
1.) The police found no gun on him, and Shellie and her father saw no gun.
2.) The gun was in his truck, not on his person.
3.) Zimmerman is known to use a holster which goes at your side/back area on your waist, not a shoulder holster.
4.) He's wearing a buttoned shirt, and keeping a gun under a buttoned shirt, presumably against your bare skin, would be not only extremely uncomfortable and unusual, but also impractical. How are you going to get through those buttons in time to retrieve it if you need it?
5.) Most importantly: We have a much better explanation of why his hand is up in his armpit area. This moment in the video occurs after he has grabbed the iPad (off camera) from Shellie, and he has brought it out to the driveway area. He still has it in his right hand at the moment captured here. We know this because it doesn't go anywhere else. He doesn't drop it, throw it, or put it down. After this part of the tape, he's still got it and he goes about destroying it, then tossing it down. But at this point in the tape, it's still in his right hand.
That hand can't be simultaneously holding an iPad and tucking it under his left arm (presumably to prevent it from being grabbed back by her father) which is something we KNOW that hand was doing, AND also somehow be reaching for a gun... a gun which wasn't there anyway.
Of course, it's possible Shellie and/or her father interpreted that as what he was going for... but, that doesn't make a lot of sense either. They knew he had the iPad, and instead of a grainy video, they were right there seeing it under his arm. So I'm inclined to think that they were being dramatic and/or liars to advantage themselves in the divorce and to get the cops on their side.
But who knows? In the end, even if they were utterly convinced he was threatening them with a gun, they turned out to be wrong. The police found no weapon or holster on Zimmerman, and those who made the claim admit they never saw a firearm. A witness who was in his car apparently attests that the gun remained in there throughout the entire thing, and wasn't taken with him or brought back.
So what we have here is not a man threatening anyone with a gun, but a man behaving in a bit of a douchey, childish, hotheaded fashion. He's going through a rough divorce, his wife is yanking his chain about which day she'll retrieve her belongings, when she's going to show up, and was doing some pretty blatant "mess with you" shit re: the scheduling via text. Then he comes, seemingly, to verify what she is taking, and she's following him around with the iPad filming him.
I think they're both behaving poorly, and I don't think it's too surprising under their circumstances. I think she's using the mythos which surrounds him and the media which hates him, as a chess piece in the divorce. As leverage, and as payback. Playing to what people already are primed to think about him, etc.
The decision to do an interview today with NBC, of all networks, tells me that she, at the best of her lawyer probably, is deliberately trying to get under his skin, and make him look worse. It's unfortunate that he obliged.
After watching it several times, I do believe what you see him doing is tucking the iPad under his arm, and then beckoning his father in law likely with something close to "go ahead, c'mon, try to take it back, c'mon! I dare ya!" with the implication being "I can take you" not "I'm going to shoot you"
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Do we really have to a discussion on how to use Google effectively?
But Geo helped you out with gif, link and an extra dose of rationalization of all Zimmerman's psycho self.
Okay so here's a .gif I just made of the relevant moments in the surveillence tape:
and here's a link to a video which characterizes what's going on very much the way Joe_U sees things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzbIvr__zsc
I can completely understand why people would look at it and think he's grabbing a gun, but that impression dissolves once you look more closely, watch the video leading up to and following this portion, and think about a few key factors.
1.) The police found no gun on him, and Shellie and her father saw no gun.
2.) The gun was in his truck, not on his person.
3.) Zimmerman is known to use a holster which goes at your side/back area on your waist, not a shoulder holster.
4.) He's wearing a buttoned shirt, and keeping a gun under a buttoned shirt, presumably against your bare skin, would be not only extremely uncomfortable and unusual, but also impractical. How are you going to get through those buttons in time to retrieve it if you need it?
5.) Most importantly: We have a much better explanation of why his hand is up in his armpit area. This moment in the video occurs after he has grabbed the iPad (off camera) from Shellie, and he has brought it out to the driveway area. He still has it in his right hand at the moment captured here. We know this because it doesn't go anywhere else. He doesn't drop it, throw it, or put it down. After this part of the tape, he's still got it and he goes about destroying it, then tossing it down. But at this point in the tape, it's still in his right hand.
That hand can't be simultaneously holding an iPad and tucking it under his left arm (presumably to prevent it from being grabbed back by her father) which is something we KNOW that hand was doing, AND also somehow be reaching for a gun... a gun which wasn't there anyway.
Of course, it's possible Shellie and/or her father interpreted that as what he was going for... but, that doesn't make a lot of sense either. They knew he had the iPad, and instead of a grainy video, they were right there seeing it under his arm. So I'm inclined to think that they were being dramatic and/or liars to advantage themselves in the divorce and to get the cops on their side.
But who knows? In the end, even if they were utterly convinced he was threatening them with a gun, they turned out to be wrong. The police found no weapon or holster on Zimmerman, and those who made the claim admit they never saw a firearm. A witness who was in his car apparently attests that the gun remained in there throughout the entire thing, and wasn't taken with him or brought back.
So what we have here is not a man threatening anyone with a gun, but a man behaving in a bit of a douchey, childish, hotheaded fashion. He's going through a rough divorce, his wife is yanking his chain about which day she'll retrieve her belongings, when she's going to show up, and was doing some pretty blatant "mess with you" shit re: the scheduling via text. Then he comes, seemingly, to verify what she is taking, and she's following him around with the iPad filming him.
I think they're both behaving poorly, and I don't think it's too surprising under their circumstances. I think she's using the mythos which surrounds him and the media which hates him, as a chess piece in the divorce. As leverage, and as payback. Playing to what people already are primed to think about him, etc.
The decision to do an interview today with NBC, of all networks, tells me that she, at the best of her lawyer probably, is deliberately trying to get under his skin, and make him look worse. It's unfortunate that he obliged.
After watching it several times, I do believe what you see him doing is tucking the iPad under his arm, and then beckoning his father in law likely with something close to "go ahead, c'mon, try to take it back, c'mon! I dare ya!" with the implication being "I can take you" not "I'm going to shoot you"
His wife was there and spoke to the cops real time. Said GZ said he would shoot them if they came closer. Exactly what the clip depicts. But somehow you are in his minds eye and know exactly what happened? That he meant I'll take you and not shoot you even though his whole stance looks like that? Cmon Geo. Find a more worthy person to defend in that manner.
Londo_Jowo
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LMAO!!!! Looks like he's scratching under his arm, not grabbing for a pistol. Plus who would wear a gun positioned in their armpit?
Geosurface
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You're going to need to work harder than that to dismiss what I said.
Where is the iPad? We both know it's under the arm. How can the hand be holding an iPad, and a gun at the same time?
The gun wasn't there. It was in the truck.
She was off on a drama adventure on that phone call, complete with "OMG there's a woman with him! oh no he DIH UNT!"
You need to get a bit more cynical and worldly about how people, especially women, act during divorces.
Did any of the witnesses back up the notion that he literally said "I'm going to shoot you" ? Do you know that wasn't just her interpretation of what he was threatening, because she supposedly thought he had his gun there? Is that her quoting him? Or is that her describing the threat as she saw it?
He walked away with no charges against him. The police expressed doubts about what she'd claimed. She backtracked a lot. The gun was in the truck. So just what exactly do you think his crime was and what should have happened to him?
So he's beckoning her dad forward to do what, punch him all while holding the iPod in the hand he would need to punch him with? It doesn't strike you as coincidental that the surveillance recorded almost the exact same scene the wife reported to cops? I think you need to get off the GZ fanclub and think through it rationally?
After the trial all I heard was GZ was soft. Would never pick a fight. Hmmm. Doesn't square with this episode does it? Seems like a different person, no?
How do you know he didn't put the gun in the truck when the cops came? You don't. People initially said there was no gun at all. The cult of personality around this guy.
What did she backtrack on? She never backtracked. She claims he threatened her with the gun. She never said she saw it. She assumed he had it which is a reasonable assumption.
He was the one who wasn't supposed to be there. The one who pulled out a knife to cut up an Ipad. Who punched her dad in the face. Psycho stuff.
Jesus man, get a grip. At least the others just are acting like they aren't aware of the facts. You clearly are and are still in full throat defense mode.
Geosurface
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Well if I recall, she was supposed to wrap up Saturday. Then on Sunday she says she's coming back, but says church is going long, then she says she doesn't feel well, then she's going to come back Monday.
Monday morning she says she's 20 minutes away, and like 2 hours later he asks if she's done and she says she isn't even there yet, but arriving soon.
*Then* I believe when he arrives, he finds her there like an additional 2 or more hours beyond *that* - but correct me if I'm wrong.
I think this is a woman spoiling for a confrontation and trying to be there at the same time as him. I think she was jerking his chain about scheduling, and I think she was loading things up into that truck she knew he wouldn't agree with her taking. I think she then was antagonizing him by following him, filming him, and likely verbally prodding him.
I could be wrong.
This was when she'd already gone on the news and aired their dirty laundry and fed a beast which had tried to devour him for the previous year and a half. I can understand if he wasn't exactly tickled with her at that time.
I certainly don't disagree that he acted very poorly. Breaking their jointly owned iPad and threatening people is trashy behavior. It's not psycho behavior in my book... unless you're going to claim that every shirtless white trash dude who ends up being put in a police cruiser or punching a hole in the drywall is a "psycho" - to me that's just being low class and trashy. I certainly don't condone how he behaved.
I also don't find it to be particularly damning. He's going through a divorce. I think they're both acting poorly.
So let me make sure I understand, you believe he tucks the iPad under his arm and hopes they'll think it has magically become a gun?
Druidx
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The text messages leading up to this were released, both were cordial. I think things got out of hand when he showed up with another women in the truck. Joe is so desperately trying to draw a connection between this and GZ/TM so why did he skip right over what she just said about it.
It didn't have anything to do with TM being black.
GZ didn't profile TM
Believes in the jury decision because they saw more evidence then her.
It didn't have anything to do with TM being black.
GZ didn't profile TM
Believes in the jury decision because they saw more evidence then her.
Geosurface
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On the 911 call she doesn't seem to know about the woman until the very end, after the drama has already gone down.
The texts appear cordial, but reading between the lines and seeing the fact that she's basically making him wait around and not know what to expect over the course of multiple days... I wouldn't be surprised if we were to ask him, and he'd say she was jerking him around.
buckshot24
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I don't know. I think something like he just went through could push a decent person over the edge. First, he killed a guy. That would suck. Secondly, he went through getting demonized by the press for a year and a half.
umbrella39
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The line between Zimmerman's nutsack and the mouths of his most ardent fanbois posting here keep getting more blurry...
HELL hath no FURY greater then a Zimmerbott defending their man? Leave an opening, take a punch!
Nope, you're both right. Clearly, this convicted liar decided to be completely honest in this situation... :sly:
Druidx
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More spurts from the never ending fountain of denial and butt hurt from team TM. No one but yourselves to blame that you so easily fell for the media version of the story were the big hulking racist hunted down the poor little cherub faced 12 year old, then shot him in cold blood.
I've seen a lot of thread derailment, trolling and personal attacks from GZ supporters (outside of Geo). But not a lot of comments about these new revelations.
Do you supporters still believe George Zimmerman to be the non violent, non aggressive family man he was made out to be in trial? Or can you now admit that he is a hothead who has a propensity for escalating situations and violence?
Or do you think that punching his father in law in the face, threatening him to come closer and if if his wife's claims are verified threatening to shoot them if they did then later pulling out a knife to cut open an IPad was a one-off thing or not indicative of a hothead with a propensity for violence?
Really interested in your responses.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
I somehow think this is more about securing funding than anything else.
Shellie Zimmerman’s Parents Have 4 Houses in Foreclosure
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Ge...UI/-/1637132/16249684/-/10bhp5az/-/index.html
Shellie Zimmerman’s Parents Have 4 Houses in Foreclosure
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Ge...UI/-/1637132/16249684/-/10bhp5az/-/index.html
umbrella39
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I think we've found the mouth in the human centipede that keeps growing from Georgie's nutsack a few posts up!!!
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Londo, are you saying George Zimmerman punched his father in law in the face, threatened to shoot his wife and her father and then like a psycho pulled out a knife and gutted an Ipad all in an effort to help save said Father in law's homes. That would be very impressive.
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