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I wonder how this thread would have gone had it read, "General Betraeus Would Rather Portray Us Than Tell Us The Truth, After All."
I was watching some home made video on youtube by some soldiers in Iraq.
They talked about the bad guys launching mortars right at chow time to catch them in the chow hall.
Question 1: Have chow hours been staggered or gone to round the clock since then?
After that a couple of guys were showing where some shrapnel hit the Internet cafe through what looked like an aluminum wall of the cafe. About as much protection as an aluminum shed at Home Depot. In a base that gets mortared in the same places on a regular basis...
Question 2: Hasn`t anyone heard of sandbags?
Question 3: If we knew that the Sunnis and Shias were going to fight each other, why would the Army and Marines leave big caches of Iraqi weapons and explosives unguarded?
Question 4: Is the US military using depleted uranium ammunition and armor in Iraq?
Question 5: Have claims of deformed babies being born to Iraqi civilians and servicemen and women who have served in Iraq been investigated?
Question 6: Was/Is Halliburton really charging $99 to wash one load of laundry in Iraq?
These are just some questions I hope the General is asked.
They talked about the bad guys launching mortars right at chow time to catch them in the chow hall.
Question 1: Have chow hours been staggered or gone to round the clock since then?
After that a couple of guys were showing where some shrapnel hit the Internet cafe through what looked like an aluminum wall of the cafe. About as much protection as an aluminum shed at Home Depot. In a base that gets mortared in the same places on a regular basis...
Question 2: Hasn`t anyone heard of sandbags?
Question 3: If we knew that the Sunnis and Shias were going to fight each other, why would the Army and Marines leave big caches of Iraqi weapons and explosives unguarded?
Question 4: Is the US military using depleted uranium ammunition and armor in Iraq?
Question 5: Have claims of deformed babies being born to Iraqi civilians and servicemen and women who have served in Iraq been investigated?
Question 6: Was/Is Halliburton really charging $99 to wash one load of laundry in Iraq?
These are just some questions I hope the General is asked.
When I graduated, my folks kicked me out. They said I had to stand on my own feet. Yeah, they helped me out, but only if I was working my ass off to help myself. They wouldn't lift a finger to help me if I wasn't willing to help myself.
Has the U.S. simply said to Iraq "Get off your asses and help us to help you." It just seems like we are losing our brothers for those people over there, and they don't give a shit. If we find a traitor in the Iraqi police, give him to the people and say, "Show us that you want to help us."
Shit, we got rid of their bad dictator for them, now they must do something. Hell, I see all these gun happy members here, "If all the citizens were armed, we could defeat our government easily." What, the Iraqis are pussies? Why can't they stand up to their terrorists like we'd do to our government?
I may be wrong, but it seems like if they stoned as many terrorists as they did little girls things might be a little better.
I'm just ranting, but are our guys dying for people who aren't willing to fight for themselves? If the answer to that question is yes, then we should just leave.
And, if the majority of Iraqis want us to leave, then we should leave. Wouldn't that just be respecting Iraq's wishes? (Has there ever been a poll?)
Has the U.S. simply said to Iraq "Get off your asses and help us to help you." It just seems like we are losing our brothers for those people over there, and they don't give a shit. If we find a traitor in the Iraqi police, give him to the people and say, "Show us that you want to help us."
Shit, we got rid of their bad dictator for them, now they must do something. Hell, I see all these gun happy members here, "If all the citizens were armed, we could defeat our government easily." What, the Iraqis are pussies? Why can't they stand up to their terrorists like we'd do to our government?
I may be wrong, but it seems like if they stoned as many terrorists as they did little girls things might be a little better.
I'm just ranting, but are our guys dying for people who aren't willing to fight for themselves? If the answer to that question is yes, then we should just leave.
And, if the majority of Iraqis want us to leave, then we should leave. Wouldn't that just be respecting Iraq's wishes? (Has there ever been a poll?)
Great argument. Don't blame the liars who pulled the bait and switch. Blame it on those they deceived for being "too dumb to figure that out." :roll:
That's the same lame argument the neocons have been pimping since they started to withdraw resources from the war we have failed to win, and should already have won, in Afghanistan to pursue their ill conceived, ill planned, mindless, invasion of Iraq for "reasons" all but the most rabid neocon morons now acknowledge were false.
[ Insert cut and pasted laundry list of discredited Bushwhacko lies here. ]
If it gives you any false comfort, you can blame the majority in Congress for going along with it, but that doesn't relieve the administration of the major blame for starting the war or for the ever-changing succession stovepiped, selected "intelligence" and outright lies they fed Congress and the American people for starting it anymore than it does, now, for yet another pack of lies about the REAL authors of The Patraeus Report.
Earth to palehorse74 -- Did you read my OP? I posted it on 8-15-07, and the entire post was about information from an article dated 8-15-07 revealing newly disclosed deception and fraud by the administration regarding who was actually writing The Patraeus Report. Those are not my words. That's what your Traitor In Chief has been calling it for months. How is that not a "discussion of current events?"
If that was the first time the administration had lied, there wouldn't be a relevant list of previous lies available for reference in the discussion. But this isn't the first time they've lied, is it? :shocked:
Of my 20 posts in this thread, including this one, I didn't get into the administrations' history of liesand malfeasance until my seventh post in the thread where my references were in direct response to PJ's post that the whole thread "a farce" and "the Democrats don?t want the truth out of Iraq." While you're at it, if you check, you won't find the word, "Haliburton" anywhere in this thread... until you brought it up, and I've NEVER claimed the Bushies invaded Iraq for oil.
I don't have to "join you" in 2007. I've acknowledged the current problems with ending our involvement in Iraq any number of times, including in my fifth post in this thread:
I also replied to your attempts to distract attention from what I've actually posted in this thread:
That is as important as any issue for both the present and future of our nation.
Thanks. We'll need all the luck we can get and more. It would be nice if some of you conservatives who claim to love this country, and who are so late in figuring out this administration's scams, would join us in salvaging our democratic institutions from the damage they've done, preferably before it's too late.
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Well at least we can all agree that there will be a Patraeus report on 9/15/2007. Although I think GWB&co. would prefer delaying it until 1/20/2009.
Two things are worth saying.
1. There will be the Patraeus report and events on the ground will both be happening on 9/15/2007. Events on the ground will be the single most important factor in possibly discrediting the Patraeus report. Or to put it the other way, the Patraeus report must be consistent with events on the ground to be credible.
2. To stay consistent with reality, the Patraeus report must stay consistent to events on the ground in Iraq. And the importance of any inconsistencies will lie on how far into the future the congress allows its self to write a blank stupidity check. And a lock far into the future blank stupidity check is the direct opposite of a reality check. So all eyes must be on how far into the future GWB&co. wants the funding to last----I suggest congress should allow no more than two to three months---guaranteed GWB will want it to last at least a non-reviewable year or more.
Two things are worth saying.
1. There will be the Patraeus report and events on the ground will both be happening on 9/15/2007. Events on the ground will be the single most important factor in possibly discrediting the Patraeus report. Or to put it the other way, the Patraeus report must be consistent with events on the ground to be credible.
2. To stay consistent with reality, the Patraeus report must stay consistent to events on the ground in Iraq. And the importance of any inconsistencies will lie on how far into the future the congress allows its self to write a blank stupidity check. And a lock far into the future blank stupidity check is the direct opposite of a reality check. So all eyes must be on how far into the future GWB&co. wants the funding to last----I suggest congress should allow no more than two to three months---guaranteed GWB will want it to last at least a non-reviewable year or more.
No, there will be a report writtten by the Whitehouse staff that they will claim was based on whatever they want us to believe Gen. Patraeus reported to them. The Bushwhackos' credibility is so far south of zero that, regardless of what it says, or how accurate it may be, we'll have no reason to believe it'll be anything more than yet another fraud.
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Lifer
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Actually, looks like it's gonna be a 9/11 party:
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7008258629
Can you say drinking game? Every time someone says "...on that day, 6 years ago today...", drink!
OK. I'll agree with you that Congress deserves a swift whack up the side of the head for their poor choice of wording in the legislation that allows the Bushwhackos to continue to lie to both Congress and the American people... yet again!
Now, please tell us why that excuses the Bushwhackos for doing it. :roll:
As of 8/20/07 11:06 am EDT, 3,707 American troops have died in the Bushwhackos' war of LIES in Iraq and tens of thousands more American troops are wounded, scarred and disabled for life.
The Bushies should be tried for murder for every one of those dead Americans, and they should be tried for treason for shredding the rights guaranteed to all American citizens under the U.S. Constitution.
I'm sure you and the rest of your sycophantic admin apologists are very pleased with what they've accomplished and will be cheering as the number of flag draped coffins continues to grow.
GG, your ass! :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
What does that have to do with the fact that they have always lied, and that the will contintue to lie as long as they can play, saying one thing and sneaking in another just because they manage to slip weasel words in the text of the legislation as they're negotiating with Congress?
THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE FOR LYING! THAT IS NOT A DEFNSE FOR KILLING MORE AMERICANS. Grow up, and get over it! Your guys are lying, murdering, traitorous assholes.
If you still support and defend them in the face of all the evidence against them, what does that make you? :shocked:
uhh, ok, so let me get this straight: Are you now encouraging Bush to break a law?[/quote]
It's too late for that. He's been doing it continuously for six years.
Do you use software to generate that crapola in every post, or do you use the copy and paste technique?[/quote]
It's public information. Do you use software to generate your support for your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of murderers and thieves in every post, or do you cut and paste your posts from your used toilet paper?
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