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vailr

vailr

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Thanks. Got the t-shirt.
Size XL, however. Why do most "free-t-shirt" deals not offer a choice of size??
 
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TrueWisdom

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Originally posted by: vaylon
The ethanol produced in most countries is from soy and sugar cane making it better for the environment and slightly better than gas and diesel fuel.

The ethanol produced in the US is made from corn, most countries will refuse to accept it as a fuel, it cost more to produce than gas, and it has no benefit to the environment. But the farming industriy has a huge lobby that makes it difficult for the other plants to be used.

As for an energy independant USA? Not going to happen.
The united states owes everything to the oil companies. If the oil companies want you to get less mileage per gallon, then your new car will get less mileage.

No initiative in the past 40 years has helped, not even the arab oil embargo.

The only thing that has showed any sign of helping is when people start buying the best fuel efficient cars and letting the big gas hogs sit on the dealers lots.

And it never helps the energy reliance of the USA by putting anybody from the oil industry in Texas in the white house. To close a ties to the middle east.


and I got my shirt today!!!! Nicest product GM has put out since the mid 90's.
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The market is very obviously responding to higher oil prices. It's not like the oil companies can force you to buy anything; they want your money, and if that means switching over fuel production, they're going to do it.

However, ethanol isn't the answer; butanol is. Butanol requires no modifications whatsoever to our current engines, no revamping of our supply structure (ethanol is harder to transport than gasoline), and most importantly, butanol has almost the same thermal output as gasoline. (110,000 BTUs for a gallon of butanol, 115,000 BTUs for a gallon of gasoline, and 84,000 for a gallon of ethanol.) Butanol can also be extracted from human waste, which sounds like a great way of re-energizing the US's sewer systems.
 
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Rommels

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Sep 27, 2005
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I still haven't gotten mine and I signed up like a day before this thread was even created.
I swear this is gonna be just like that damn Micro$oft 'Free' USB.
 
evilman

evilman

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I got mine today.

The odd thing is... it came in a non-recycled PLASTIC baggie envelope!
I'm not a tree hugger or anything but that just seemed too funny NOT to comment on.
 
Amdiggidy

Amdiggidy

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Originally posted by: herm0016
seems to be dead, or i am just missing something..... crapy..
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Oh no, it's NOT dead...

You can now PURCHASE the same shirt for $15.85/ each + $7.50 shipping = $23.35

So, for $23.35 you too can own a shirt that, as Deptacon put it:
that T-Shirt is about as cool as cancer
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. :D
 
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spacelord

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Oct 11, 2002
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Got mine. I'll wear it this weekend while I am burning up a gallon of gas per mile on my boat.
 
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Monotaur

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Nov 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: TrueWisdom
Originally posted by: vaylon
The ethanol produced in most countries is from soy and sugar cane making it better for the environment and slightly better than gas and diesel fuel.

The ethanol produced in the US is made from corn, most countries will refuse to accept it as a fuel, it cost more to produce than gas, and it has no benefit to the environment. But the farming industriy has a huge lobby that makes it difficult for the other plants to be used.

As for an energy independant USA? Not going to happen.
The united states owes everything to the oil companies. If the oil companies want you to get less mileage per gallon, then your new car will get less mileage.

No initiative in the past 40 years has helped, not even the arab oil embargo.

The only thing that has showed any sign of helping is when people start buying the best fuel efficient cars and letting the big gas hogs sit on the dealers lots.

And it never helps the energy reliance of the USA by putting anybody from the oil industry in Texas in the white house. To close a ties to the middle east.


and I got my shirt today!!!! Nicest product GM has put out since the mid 90's.
Click to expand...


The market is very obviously responding to higher oil prices. It's not like the oil companies can force you to buy anything; they want your money, and if that means switching over fuel production, they're going to do it.

However, ethanol isn't the answer; butanol is. Butanol requires no modifications whatsoever to our current engines, no revamping of our supply structure (ethanol is harder to transport than gasoline), and most importantly, butanol has almost the same thermal output as gasoline. (110,000 BTUs for a gallon of butanol, 115,000 BTUs for a gallon of gasoline, and 84,000 for a gallon of ethanol.) Butanol can also be extracted from human waste, which sounds like a great way of re-energizing the US's sewer systems.
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Butanol is very interesting... an order of magnitude better solution than ethanol.
 
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MegaDave

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Nov 28, 2003
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Thanks OP, got mine. Don't know what I was thinking when I ordered and XL though.


"Butanol can also be extracted from human waste, which sounds like a great way of re-energizing the US's sewer systems."

If this is a fact, shouldn't it be called Buttanol?
 
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snowdogg187

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Nov 1, 2000
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Do you realize how much value this shirt will lose if I bought it for 25 bucks? I think it would be worse then their crappy vehicles that are about less american than Toyota/Honda.
 
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