Maybe it's because men/women are better at some things than the other gender? You wanna say that most race car drivers or construction workers are men because of rampant discrimination? Or is it possible that men are just better at it and/or more interested in that field? The first rule of feminism is to throw logic out the window and play the blame/victim game. Feminism is a solution looking for a problem.
Maybe it's because men/women are better at some things than the other gender? You wanna say that most race car drivers or construction workers are men because of rampant discrimination? Or is it possible that men are just better at it and/or more interested in that field? The first rule of feminism is to throw logic out the window and play the blame/victim game. Feminism is a solution looking for a problem.
PingviN
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Is this your logic? "Race car drivers and construction workers are men, therefor women are not discriminated against". You think sex has anything to do with your ability to hit nails or drive a car?
Do you think women are incompetent and unable to lead businesses? A wide majority of all higher-ups in corporations are men. You don't believe there is discrimination going on there? Men are simply better at leading corporations?
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Welcome to Earth... Sex has a lot to do with your ability and willingness to succeed and excel at certain tasks, not just "driving" cars and "hitting nails" as you so obtusely simplified it.
Unless you have specific evidence of discrimination, the fact that a majority in a certain career field happen to be of one sex or another is not evidence of discrimination. You'd have to be a dim-witted feminist to even make such an absurd claim.
No it isn't, you've just been brainwashed into thinking so. Feminism is about empowering women, that in turn also means them trying to take power. Sure not ALL feminists are like this and plenty do just want equality, something I am all for. But to act like men and women are equals in everything and all this other non-sense was just men keeping women down? That shit is fucking retarded.
That's still saying the same thing. If person A has 25% of the power, and person B has 75% of the power, then to have equality person A has to gain power at the expense of person B.
So yes, you can strive for equality and at the same time want to empower women, if there's a power imbalance to start with. We're WAY closer to equality now then we used to be, but we're still not all the way there.
It seems to me you're just defining something based on a slippery slope you're scared will happen, instead of reality. I know a lot more people who act/talk like a chauvinist then I've ever heard espouse this radical feminism you seem to think is so common.
That isn't the same thing dipshit. Gender equality and rule have nothing to do with each other, unless you think it should in which case you're just as bad as the feminazi's I am talking about. The core of equality is not treating people like shit and making sure everyone is treated fairly and equally by LAW. Any personal prejudices that people have etc, whatever, fuck them for being bias assholes, but LEGAL EQUALITY is the only equality that truly matters and what truly makes us equal because we aren't all bore from the same mold.
acturial, if you can't see the lingering Feminazi bullshit that's still around with the constant attack on masculinity you're fucking blind. We humans need both masculinity and feminism, this is why we have two sexes. Trying to destroy one with the other is no better than what they were fighting against in the first place. It's fucking bullshit and all of you feminazi apologists are fucking retarded.
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Do not confuse equality with equal rights. I would argue that in developed countries females already have the same rights as men, sometimes even more so. Equality is an entirely different can of worms.
D-Man
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Maybe some can clear this up for me. My first two kids a boy 7 and his sister 5 were playing in our 2nd living room. We often times would let them both spread their toys all over this room. My wife decided to get two cats one for each child. My son picked up a female doll and was looking at it(prolly looking to see if the doll had a penis) My daughter was busy pounding the pegs into the blocks. My daughter looks up see her brother looking at her doll and hammers him with the wooden hammer.
Scene 2 Both children are playing with their cats my son is chasing his and rough housing they both are having fun the cat is chasing the string etc. My daughter on the other hand has a baby bonnet on her cat it is in a stroller with a blanket over it.
Can anyone explain to me how this relates to this topic?
Scene 2 Both children are playing with their cats my son is chasing his and rough housing they both are having fun the cat is chasing the string etc. My daughter on the other hand has a baby bonnet on her cat it is in a stroller with a blanket over it.
Can anyone explain to me how this relates to this topic?
So riddle me this: is allowing women to vote, when they previously couldn't, not simultaneously giving them power they previously didn't have and taking power away from men? I think this current thread of posts is really about the meaning of the word 'empowerment' and how scared you are of the slippery slope. Giving people opportunities is naturally going to give them power, as compared to not giving them those same opportunities. That's not to say that you are forcing power to them, which of course I don't agree with.
Back on topic: all this school does is allow kids to act however they want. If the only reason you have 'masculine' traits is because you were told to act that way as a kid, then in my opinion you're not very masculine at all. Allowing people the choice to act as they please is not the same as forcing them to act differently. I don't understand why you can't understand that difference.
And I sincerely hope that this constant feminist attack on your masculinity doesn't cause you to someday wear pink.
Gintaras
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I'm not scared of a slippery slope, I'm saying you're in denial that it exists. It happens every time people try to become 'empowered'. Those who truly bastardize it are those of us who don't think it's about taking/seizing power for oneself. That's fucking history, happened many of times. You need to prove it isn't happening again, which I can see it very clearly is.
Feminism, in the Western world, is an attack on masculinity. It's trying to minimize and demonize masculinity until feminism is the only acceptable way to live. It's absolutely wrong and just as bad as men trying to force/control women. Do you ignore the fact that since feminism has been on the rise in Western countries that education has gone down for boys at the younger ages? I bet you do, I bet you haven't even read those studies that talk about the changing classroom and the change in teaching styles has been nothing but a detriment to multiple generations of boys, but it's ok because they're girl friendly teaching styles in which girls tend to excel at. Homework taking up hours of a childs day AFTER SCHOOL is a direct result of this. Girls are better at doing homework than boys are because they are better at taking directions than boys are. Can't discipline children in school, mostly due to this same bullshit. Girls are soft frail little creatures you can't yell at them or treat them like a boy, but they can do everything a boy can!
I am ALL FOR EQUALITY I AM ALL FOR PEOPLE BEING TREATED EQUALLY, BUT WE ARE NOT EQUAL. To try and make a case for it, to try and say there aren't things we're born pre-disposed to is fucking stupid. Feminism, in the Western world, is a big load of horse shit.
No I'm not a dick who just hates on women, yes I know you're thinking that, I love women I want them to be treated well and I believe everything people do to prevent them from having an equal footing in society are pieces of shit. Just as I feel about anyone who wants to prevent anyone from having equal footing in society based on asinine shit such as gender lines or sexual orientation or where the fuck your ancestors got their skin color from.
That is what every big movement trying to empower people in our society(western world) is doing today. Trying to force others into the world view and the way they view the world and change us into matching it. Fuck them, that's fucking horse shit.
jackstar7
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Can I cite you for future reference? You didn't cite anything else, so I assume you're just giving me a fact.
I'll give you two sources.
http://www.bnet.com/blog/penelope-t...and-women-oh-please/112?promo=713&tag=nl.e713
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/08/department-of-labor-gender-wage-gap-a-myth
Whatever significant pay gap exists, it's a direct result of personal choices, not discrimination. Unless you wanna argue that a woman working in a cushy environment and putting family before career is entitled to the same compensation as a man working in a high pressure environment and putting his career first, even though on paper they're both doing the "same job"
Yes at it appears not only are women collecting more degrees than men(they have been for some time), young single women are earning more then men.
MagickMan
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Oh, oh, my wife just pointed something out, will they have communal bathrooms/dressing rooms? If they're going to say that they're all the same, then they would all have to use the same facilities, right?
Wait until little Sven sees Greta's privates, he'll quickly learn that there's a big difference. "Greta, hold still, I want to get a closer look at that..."
Wait until little Sven sees Greta's privates, he'll quickly learn that there's a big difference. "Greta, hold still, I want to get a closer look at that..."
Nebor
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Because they won't figure out on their own. They'll be taught\influenced negatively by their parents. We need to make more strides to keep the parents from influencing their kids with their own personal morality\religion.
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