Gender Ideology Harms Children

[abj13]

A notion was brought up that puberty corrects a large number of cases.
I think, obviously, it cannot correct all cases otherwise this wouldn't be a subject. So while I know it isn't for everyone, IF puberty does resolve a majority of cases... that's important information due to the drugs involved in stopping that potential "healing" process.

If it's just FUD then it'd be easier to accept that gender identity does not harm children. Otherwise, if there's merit... a strong case could be made to let biology run its natural course and not step in.

I've gone back and checked those numbers. Maybe not surprising, but they are cherry-picked values from the DSM-V. Here is what the actual text (what this SuperPAC references to) says:

"Rates of persistence of gender dysphoria from childhood into adolescence or adulthood vary. In natal males, persistence has ranged from 2.2% to 30%. In natal females, persistence has ranged from 12% to 50%. "

Of course this SuperPAC decides to post "88-98%" without actually offering the truth in those values. So this idea of waiting until puberty to figure everything out works for the vast majority, is well, not reflective of the reality.

 

[kitkat22]

Just in answer to the ambiguous genitalia - there are tons of well documented syndromes associated with either sexes based on chromosomes. For example:

Klinefelters syndrome - which is XXY - these individuals can range from just sterile males to a very female appearance. Interestingly there is also XXXY and XXYY...

Mosaics/Chimera - these are very interesting - think conjoined twins, but in this case one part of the body is XX and the other XY. All sorts of variations are created and this can lead to one testis or one ovary. This is also well documented.

SRY gene mutation - also called the "male" gene. there are variations on sensitivity to this gene and can range from vaginal tract with no uterus to male/eunich appearance. Also well documented.

Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia
Androgen insensitivity syndrome
and on and on - easy wiki lookup if you want

Lots and lots of well researched and medical resources for this...

 

[SMOGZINN]

Bullshit. Their 41% attempted suicide rate is 10 times that of the general population and the reason their studied so much is due to their incredibly high incidence rate of psychological issues....the studies did not cause their issues ffs.

The reason they are studied so much is because the medical community starts with the assumption that if you want to be transgendered there must be something wrong with you.
No one is saying the studies caused the issue, only that they are the cause of over reporting of the issue. Every little phobia and quirk is reported as a mental issue when the patient is trans.

 

[nakedfrog]

Bullshit. Their 41% attempted suicide rate is 10 times that of the general population and the reason their studied so much is due to their incredibly high incidence rate of psychological issues....the studies did not cause their issues ffs.

Uh, what you inferred from that was that the studies caused their issues?
I feel like that almost has to be active avoidance, because that's not a logical inference to make.

 

[zinfamous]

A notion was brought up that puberty corrects a large number of cases.
I think, obviously, it cannot correct all cases otherwise this wouldn't be a subject. So while I know it isn't for everyone, IF puberty does resolve a majority of cases... that's important information due to the drugs involved in stopping that potential "healing" process.

If it's just FUD then it'd be easier to accept that gender identity does not harm children. Otherwise, if there's merit... a strong case could be made to let biology run its natural course and not step in.

This makes too much sense. But what is also being mentioned, and is the proper interpretation of the FUD suggested by TH and his troll friends, is that the "mental disorder" they associate with gender identity is attributed to abuse and social reactions; not to the condition itself.

That's an important distinction.

I think what you say has merit, but it also further validates the need for a more common understanding of these issues on a personal level...from everyone. I am also quite leery of the idea of pumping all sorts of hormones into a sub-adult human. At the same time, there are both legitimate cases of mixed- or pseudo-sexed individuals, as well as pre-pubescent kids acting out in ways that will collectively corral them into the same categories of "strange" or "off" or "let's target this freak for some bullying!"

I think even the most ignorant fundy gay-hating conservative can agree that regardless of what they think about this, bullying kids to the point where, at their age, they can never be comfortable with themselves or "grow out" of those awkward stages is never a good thing. It's completely counter-productive. Thinking otherwise is, frankly, callously inhuman.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Uh, what you inferred from that was that the studies caused their issues?
I feel like that almost has to be active avoidance, because that's not a logical inference to make.

Did you not read the post I was responding to?

 

[zinfamous]

Just in answer to the ambiguous genitalia - there are tons of well documented syndromes associated with either sexes based on chromosomes. For example:

Klinefelters syndrome - which is XXY - these individuals can range from just sterile males to a very female appearance. Interestingly there is also XXXY and XXYY...

Mosaics/Chimera - these are very interesting - think conjoined twins, but in this case one part of the body is XX and the other XY. All sorts of variations are created and this can lead to one testis or one ovary. This is also well documented.

SRY gene mutation - also called the "male" gene. there are variations on sensitivity to this gene and can range from vaginal tract with no uterus to male/eunich appearance. Also well documented.

Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia
Androgen insensitivity syndrome
and on and on - easy wiki lookup if you want

Lots and lots of well researched and medical resources for this...

Chimeras are super cool. You essentially have 2 fertilized eggs (and could be many fertilized eggs) that have fused at some point ~blastula stage, I think, and develop as a single embryo.

The resulting human is, genetically, multiple humans and this can be revealed in testing. It makes paternity/maternity tests hilariously confusing, for one. They are very rare in humans (and most any animal) and as far as I know, are generally completely healthy, fertile, otherwise "normal." I actually wouldn't be surprised if the incidence in the human population has always been much higher than expected; we simply never knew to test for this or ever thought to. So many bizarre things happen in that process, it's kind of surprising that it actually works from time to time.

Several years ago my primary task was creating chimeric mice in a transgenic facility.

 

[lopri]

How about Ann Coulter?

 

[zinfamous]

How about Ann Coulter?

not yet defined by science.

 

[dank69]

Did you not read the post I was responding to?

Nobody here ever suggested that the studies cause their issues. The post you responded to suggested that since this group is subjected to more studies than the general population, we discover more issues. This suggests that maybe the general population is crazier than we think and we just don't know about it because nobody is looking that hard.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How about Ann Coulter?

Her? I believe she's from Roswell.

 

[nakedfrog]

Did you not read the post I was responding to?

I sure did.

Nobody here ever suggested that the studies cause their issues. The post you responded to suggested that since this group is subjected to more studies than the general population, we discover more issues. This suggests that maybe the general population is crazier than we think and we just don't know about it because nobody is looking that hard.

Hey, look, it's the logical inference!

 

[lopri]

How about Ann Coulter?

HerHim? I believe shehe's from Roswell.

Corrected for you. ()

For reference: Ann Coulter: “For All Intents and Purposes, I Am a Woman”

 

[Victorian Gray]

and toothless leaves yet another present for the forum

Everyone needs a hobby I guess.

 

[pcgeek11]

My point if genitalia are ambiguous then somehow that person has to make a decision to which gender they identify. Does that action make them mentally ill?

By the OP's logic the answer would be yes.

Not really it is a comparison of apples to oranges.

With the ambiguous genitalia the afflicted person would have to go with their feelings.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I disagree.

 

[CitizenKain]

See? No rationality from the regressives at all. Only emotion-fuel insults to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

And it sure looks like The Southern Poverty Law Center exists for one reason; to protect the interests of the regressive progressives, their ideology, their protected arguments, and to destroy anyone who disagrees with every method at their disposal:

From their site:

What We Do:
The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting "hate and bigotry" and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. (As decided via the Progressive Stack.) Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the Center works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality. (underlined is my own comment.)

Sounds nice on the surface until you consider what THEY think "equality" means, which is the same argument everyone has been having with regressives across the entire political spectrum from Gamergate, feminism, family law, prison system, education, social workers, etc. Regressive progressive-ism has become a spreading religion or cult which determines "good vs evil" with a whole new lens and FAR too often paints totally innocent people as "evil" and horrible, abusive, cruel people as "victims". Their strongest weapon is that the average person wants to be accepted by society, so what better way to scare people into line than by using long-accepted horrible society-shunning terms like "rapist" (etc) against anyone who doesn't accept their political/societal agenda?

Bluemax, truly sticking up for those poor rightwing hate groups who get picked on all the time.

 

[Knowing]

To which gender does a hermaphrodite belong?

I believe the preferred nomenclature is "intersex"

I think the eagerness to assign a physical sex is probably more damaging than attempting to determine the best outcome for the individual. I do recall a rather animated discussion in the gender studies class I had to take when I suggested just that. A few people in the class couldn't understand why I thought that being able to sire or carry a child should factor in to the decision since once that door closes it's pretty much closed forever.

 

[HomerJS]

Not really it is a comparison of apples to oranges.

With the ambiguous genitalia the afflicted person would have to go with their feelings.

I think that means they would identify their gender.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yes, but you cannot compare a hermaphrodite with a person that has all the attributes of either a male or female with the exception that they feel like they should be the opposite...

Apples to Oranges

 

[FelixDeCat]

There is nothing "ambiguous" about genitalia. They sky is blue and the grass is green. You have just read this sentence.

Case closed.

 

[Triloby]

As William Shakespeare once wrote:

Much Ado About Nothing

 

[zinfamous]

There is nothing "ambiguous" about genitalia. They sky is blue and the grass is green. You have just read this sentence.

Case closed.

Felix--you are one of the top three dummies on these boards.

Case closed

 

[alien42]

There is nothing "ambiguous" about genitalia. They sky is blue and the grass is green. You have just read this sentence.

Case closed.

the sky is sometimes blue and the grass is sometimes green, but not always.

the simple fact felix, is that you are 100% wrong and that genitalia can be ambiguous. what do you have to say about that fact proven by science?

http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

"Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female - one in 100 births"

what do you say to those people who are affected by one of the many ways of being biologically intersexed?

 

[zinfamous]

the sky is sometimes blue and the grass is sometimes green, but not always.

the simple fact felix, is that you are 100% wrong and that genitalia can be ambiguous. what do you have to say about that fact proven by science?

http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

"Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female - one in 100 births"

what do you say to those people who are affected by one of the many ways of being biologically intersexed?

trigger warning: Felix believes that the earth is 6000-10000 years old. He may just respond with dumbassery if you assail him with facts.