Gender Ideology Harms Children

[Retro Rob]

The facts of the matter show that mental health issues are extremely common in the transgender community. TH is saying they need help and I agree. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that.

http://www.livescience.com/16110-transgender-teen-mental-health.html

He more objects to the term "mentally ill" it seems.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

He more objects to the term "mentally ill" it seems.

Semantics? Really? Wow...just wow....such frail sensibilities!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Semantics? Really? Wow...just wow....such frail sensibilities!

you two prattle on with your assumptions, pay no attention to me.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

you two prattle on with your assumptions, pay no attention to me.

I reread most of this thread....you don't appear to like the connotations of the label used in a way which implies mental illness applies to all transgendered...assuming this is the case, I get what your saying now and would agree with you.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I reread most of this thread....you don't appear to like the connotations of the label used in a way which implies mental illness applies to all transgendered...assuming this is the case, I get what your saying now and would agree with you.

Yes, what is being said is that transgendered = mentally ill. That is not true.
Is there more then a normal amount of mental illness in the transgendered community? Probably, but that does not imply causality. There are a lot of other factors that have to be taken into account before we make any causal links to mental illness in the transgendered community.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes, what is being said is that transgendered = mentally ill. That is not true.
Is there more then a normal amount of mental illness in the transgendered community? Probably, but that does not imply causality. There are a lot of other factors that have to be taken into account before we make any causal links to mental illness in the transgendered community.

There's no 'probably' about it...it's a huge issue. You should read the article I previously linked.

 

[Retro Rob]

There's no 'probably' about it...it's a huge issue. You should read the article I previously linked.

That data goes against their insistence that its simply a case of being "opposite of X" and is perfectly normal.

They love to claim religious people ignore science when they pick and chose which science they'll accept, and then argue with it.

 

[abj13]

There's no 'probably' about it...it's a huge issue. You should read the article I previously linked.

Did you take the time to actually read the manuscript that the data is from?

From the discussion:

"Our observations reflect the Dutch finding that psychological functioning improves with medical intervention and suggests that the patients’ psychiatric symptoms might be secondary to a medical incongruence between mind and body, not primarily psychiatric. Future research is needed to understand how adolescent patients change psychologically when they attain a physical appearance similar to or indistinguishable from their affirmed gender peers after being treated with early pubertal suppression followed by cross-sex hormone therapy."

This speaks exactly to the flaw of this entire troll thread. People want to label people like this, and put them in categories of "child abuse." The problem is that making statements like that is only making the problem worse, and perpetuates the fear and confusion of children who are in these situations.

 

[Blue_Max]

One that has in fact been designated as a hate group

Designated by whom? By regressive 'progressives' who call anything that contradicts their ideology as "hate" in order to justify public squashing.

This regressive gender nonsense has gone way too far when they invaded elementary schools to confuse even the youngest of kids with their hooey.

 

[zinfamous]

Designated by whom? By regressive 'progressives' who call anything that contradicts their ideology as "hate" in order to justify public squashing.

This regressive gender nonsense has gone way too far when they invaded elementary schools to confuse even the youngest of kids with their hooey.

The Southern Poverty Law Center designates these hate groups. Perhaps you have heard of them?

Apparently the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, Nation of Islam, et al contradicts their ideology as well. Because, you see, they make these hate group designations as arbitrarily as you gleefully shame any human with a vagina.

Here you go , as you are too incompetent to point yourself towards anything outside of your narrow comfort zone:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/groups

 

[Blue_Max]

Because, you see, they make these hate group designations as arbitrarily as you gleefully shame any human with a vagina.

See? No rationality from the regressives at all. Only emotion-fuel insults to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

And it sure looks like The Southern Poverty Law Center exists for one reason; to protect the interests of the regressive progressives, their ideology, their protected arguments, and to destroy anyone who disagrees with every method at their disposal:

From their site:

What We Do:
The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting "hate and bigotry" and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. (As decided via the Progressive Stack.) Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the Center works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality. (underlined is my own comment.)

Sounds nice on the surface until you consider what THEY think "equality" means, which is the same argument everyone has been having with regressives across the entire political spectrum from Gamergate, feminism, family law, prison system, education, social workers, etc. Regressive progressive-ism has become a spreading religion or cult which determines "good vs evil" with a whole new lens and FAR too often paints totally innocent people as "evil" and horrible, abusive, cruel people as "victims". Their strongest weapon is that the average person wants to be accepted by society, so what better way to scare people into line than by using long-accepted horrible society-shunning terms like "rapist" (etc) against anyone who doesn't accept their political/societal agenda?

 

[Vic]

See? No rationality from the regressives at all. Only emotion-fuel insults to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

And it sure looks like The Southern Poverty Law Center exists for one reason; to protect the interests of the regressive progressives, their ideology, their protected arguments, and to destroy anyone who disagrees with every method at their disposal:

From their site:

What We Do:
The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting "hate and bigotry" and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. (As decided via the Progressive Stack.) Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the Center works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality. (underlined is my own comment.)

Sounds nice on the surface until you consider what THEY think "equality" means, which is the same argument everyone has been having with regressives across the entire political spectrum from Gamergate, feminism, family law, prison system, education, social workers, etc. Regressive progressive-ism has become a spreading religion or cult which determines "good vs evil" with a whole new lens and FAR too often paints totally innocent people as "evil" and horrible, abusive, cruel people as "victims". Their strongest weapon is that the average person wants to be accepted by society, so what better way to scare people into line than by using long-accepted horrible society-shunning terms like "rapist" (etc) against anyone who doesn't accept their political/societal agenda?

Do you really believe that anyone here takes your paranoid rants seriously? All you're trying to do is justify to yourself why people don't like you. And of course the reason isn't because you're an anti social dbag, but because they're all out to get you!
All organizations like the SPLC do is provide legal protection, to those who otherwise couldn't afford it, to assist them in obtaining equal protection of the laws. Sorry to hear that you don't like who they choose to help, but what they're doing is legal, and it's not some evil conspiracy.

 

[shira]

What do you bleeding heart liberals think about this?

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children



About time someone stood up and spoke the truth. Transgender issues are a sign of a mental illness and should be treated as such.



The article also says 98% of boys will accept that they are boys after going through puberty. 88% of girls will accept they are girls.

Why should society accept a mental illness as normal?

American College of Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP's support for adoption by gay couples. The group's membership has been estimated at between 60 and 200 members. ACPeds describes itself as "a national organization of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals dedicated to the health and well-being of children... committed to fulfilling its mission by producing sound policy, based upon the best available research, to assist parents and to influence society in the endeavor of childrearing."

Zanga has described ACPeds as a group "with Judeo-Christian, traditional values that is open to pediatric medical professionals of all religions who hold true to the group's core beliefs: that life begins at conception; and that the traditional family unit, headed by a different-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children." The organization's view on parenting is at odds with the position of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which holds that sexual orientation has no correlation with the ability to be a good parent and to raise healthy and well-adjusted children. The American College of Pediatricians has been described as a fringe group by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Southern Poverty Law Center, with the latter organization labeling the ACPeds as a "hate group" with "a history of propagating damaging falsehoods about LGBT people".

So a group (with at most 200 members) dedicated to the proposition that life begins at conception, that same-sex marriage is bad for children, and which was formed as a protest group to the mainstream American College of Pediatrics (with 64,000 members) is your source? Go back to sleep.

Can you possibly not get it? The group was formed under the ASSUMPTION that anything other than straight couples raising children is bad. And now they're regurgitating that position. It's called circular reasoning.

 

[pcgeek11]

To which gender does a hermaphrodite belong?

There is a big difference between a physical deformity and a metal illness.

 

[HomerJS]

There is a big difference between a physical deformity and a metal illness.

My point if genitalia are ambiguous then somehow that person has to make a decision to which gender they identify. Does that action make them mentally ill?

By the OP's logic the answer would be yes.

 

[FelixDeCat]

My point if genitalia are ambiguous then somehow that person has to make a decision to which gender they identify. Does that action make them mentally ill?

By the OP's logic the answer would be yes.

Ambiguous genitalia?

Please.

 

[zinfamous]

See? No rationality from the regressives at all. Only emotion-fuel insults to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

BlueMax: "I can do it all the time, but you can't because you're a SJW leftist!" WAAAAAAA


every

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posts.

All of them.

 

[SMOGZINN]

There's no 'probably' about it...it's a huge issue. You should read the article I previously linked.

There is a good reason to doubt that. The transgender community is the most heavily psychologically studied community there is. Nearly every transgendered individual has undergone intensive psychological study. That can hardly be said for the general populace.
It is quite possible that we would see a lot more psychological problems in the general populace if they were studied as closely. Reading these forums should be enough to tell you that.

 

[zinfamous]

Ambiguous genitalia?


Please.

You're ignorant of the many wonders that evolution has allowed us in terms of embryonic development, which often leads to mal-formed, underdeveloped, strange curiosities.

Please educate yourself.

You know that that shrunken pillypacker dangling between your thighs is simply an extended clitoris, right? Sometimes, human fetuses become babies of weird and confusing sex--XY babies, ostensibly males, but with ovaries as well as testies. or ovaries and no testes. Also the reverse with females. Sometimes you have women with vaginas as well as what is, more or less, a dick.

Nature is crazy, yo. Leave it to humans to create their own silly constructs of what they think nature should be doing. We even invent our own myths to create arbitrary rules governing the exquisitely uncontrollable output of nature.

Hilarious.

I think we create excellent guides for sure, but the problem is when our chosen myths mixed with generations of unfounded hubris close our minds towards greater understanding of the true realities of what is, and has been going on, for hundreds of thousands and millions of years.

I get it, it's uncomfortable for many ignorant humans. That will never change. I understand that you might prefer change to occur gradually, or perhaps not at all, and I don't necessarily disagree with you on the gradual change part. I think it all depends on how one chooses to display their fear of knowledge and understanding. Perverting peer-reviewed scientific knowledge to one's ends and replacing sound knowledge with that cobbled from hate-filled fringe groups that ostensibly reject sound methods, as the OP has done, is not the way to win friends and influence enemies. It is a sound rejection of fundamental truth-seeking, it makes it far more difficult for those leading the charge of truth to accept the bronze-aged mysticists that prefer a human culture steeped in ignorance and the profound rejection of social mobility. The things which a modern society requires.

 

[dank69]

See? No rationality from the regressives at all. Only emotion-fuel insults to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

And it sure looks like The Southern Poverty Law Center exists for one reason; to protect the interests of the regressive progressives, their ideology, their protected arguments, and to destroy anyone who disagrees with every method at their disposal:

From their site:

What We Do:
The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting "hate and bigotry" and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. (As decided via the Progressive Stack.) Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the Center works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality. (underlined is my own comment.)

Sounds nice on the surface until you consider what THEY think "equality" means, which is the same argument everyone has been having with regressives across the entire political spectrum from Gamergate, feminism, family law, prison system, education, social workers, etc. Regressive progressive-ism has become a spreading religion or cult which determines "good vs evil" with a whole new lens and FAR too often paints totally innocent people as "evil" and horrible, abusive, cruel people as "victims". Their strongest weapon is that the average person wants to be accepted by society, so what better way to scare people into line than by using long-accepted horrible society-shunning terms like "rapist" (etc) against anyone who doesn't accept their political/societal agenda?

What you did here was cut out the rational portion of his post and then declared it didn't exist. This is what we sane people call lying through your teeth. How about you address the portions of that post that you cut out instead? Think you can manage that?

 

[alien42]

Ambiguous genitalia?

Please.

as i pointed out two days ago in this very thread...

http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

care to retract that "please"?

 

[Jaskalas]

This speaks exactly to the flaw of this entire troll thread. People want to label people like this, and put them in categories of "child abuse." The problem is that making statements like that is only making the problem worse, and perpetuates the fear and confusion of children who are in these situations.

A notion was brought up that puberty corrects a large number of cases.
I think, obviously, it cannot correct all cases otherwise this wouldn't be a subject. So while I know it isn't for everyone, IF puberty does resolve a majority of cases... that's important information due to the drugs involved in stopping that potential "healing" process.

If it's just FUD then it'd be easier to accept that gender identity does not harm children. Otherwise, if there's merit... a strong case could be made to let biology run its natural course and not step in.

 

[nakedfrog]

There is a good reason to doubt that. The transgender community is the most heavily psychologically studied community there is. Nearly every transgendered individual has undergone intensive psychological study. That can hardly be said for the general populace.
It is quite possible that we would see a lot more psychological problems in the general populace if they were studied as closely. Reading these forums should be enough to tell you that.

Truer words...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

and toothless leaves yet another present for the forum

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There is a good reason to doubt that. The transgender community is the most heavily psychologically studied community there is. Nearly every transgendered individual has undergone intensive psychological study. That can hardly be said for the general populace.
It is quite possible that we would see a lot more psychological problems in the general populace if they were studied as closely. Reading these forums should be enough to tell you that.

Bullshit. Their 41% attempted suicide rate is 10 times that of the general population and the reason their studied so much is due to their incredibly high incidence rate of psychological issues....the studies did not cause their issues ffs.