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GeForceFX 7db cooler
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Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
From Chiz:
"They will route it through a NIC
Why do you care, you just said you won't buy it regardless, much believe its possible.
Chiz "
I never said I wouldn't buy it. If they find a way to fix the heat problem WITHOUT putting the heat into my case, then when the price comes down or when I need that much power (whichever comes first) I may get it unless ATI has something better. At this point, I don't see how they are going to keep the heat out of the case for only 7db noise. You tell me ! I have a good science background, and majored in physics in college (too many years ago tho), and I would love to see this solution. I will be literally rivited to this until I find out, since this also may come in great with CPU cooling solutions. I just got the new Vantec C7040 with the "tip magnetic driven" fan and I thought that was cool! This sounds even better.
Anybody ?? Details ?? I really do want to know how they are doing this ??
"They will route it through a NIC
Why do you care, you just said you won't buy it regardless, much believe its possible.
Chiz "
I never said I wouldn't buy it. If they find a way to fix the heat problem WITHOUT putting the heat into my case, then when the price comes down or when I need that much power (whichever comes first) I may get it unless ATI has something better. At this point, I don't see how they are going to keep the heat out of the case for only 7db noise. You tell me ! I have a good science background, and majored in physics in college (too many years ago tho), and I would love to see this solution. I will be literally rivited to this until I find out, since this also may come in great with CPU cooling solutions. I just got the new Vantec C7040 with the "tip magnetic driven" fan and I thought that was cool! This sounds even better.
Anybody ?? Details ?? I really do want to know how they are doing this ??
BFG10K
Lifer
It's good to see vendors taking an interest in reducing the noise levels of the card. IMO nVidia never really expected their cooling solution to reach the consumers anyway and I'm pretty sure they are relying on the OEMs to improve over their engineering sample and produce something more realistic for the people.
If the OEMs can get around the noise issue then the FX will be a much more attractive card.
If the OEMs can get around the noise issue then the FX will be a much more attractive card.
DX2Player , not sure if you've been absent the last couple days, but maybe you should look around the forums here and get an idea of what's been said about the GF FX's cooling solution. I found the jokes to be quite funny, as I was also concerned about 70dBA noise levels. But when someone who has already posted multiple negative comments about the card comes in with the attitude of "BS, I refuse to believe it because I hate Nvidia" its easy to dismiss their "genuine interest" as a case of casual trolling.
In any case, Markfw900, if you really want to know what some possibilities are, maybe you should check out what's going on at Zalman, as has been mentioned throughout this post. They've been putting out silent coolers for some time now, but the necessity and demand for an expensive after-market solution was never really needed or warranted up until this point. You'll find vary large radial heatsinks with heatpipes and fins, as well as other solutions with very low powered fans and air ducts. I would expect the Gainward's cooling solution to be a hybrid of what Zalman has offered, but I'm not ruling out TEC, as that would be the simplest implementation of active cooling (it just needs to draw power from the board); how to remove the heat from the sink would be interesting though.
Chiz
In any case, Markfw900, if you really want to know what some possibilities are, maybe you should check out what's going on at Zalman, as has been mentioned throughout this post. They've been putting out silent coolers for some time now, but the necessity and demand for an expensive after-market solution was never really needed or warranted up until this point. You'll find vary large radial heatsinks with heatpipes and fins, as well as other solutions with very low powered fans and air ducts. I would expect the Gainward's cooling solution to be a hybrid of what Zalman has offered, but I'm not ruling out TEC, as that would be the simplest implementation of active cooling (it just needs to draw power from the board); how to remove the heat from the sink would be interesting though.
Chiz
Chizow your very amusing but could please explain why my concerns are unjustified? I come off harsh only because its a reality they must overcome. Im not some fan of ATI in fact I have never bought anything from ATI except a TV-Tuner card and its a piece of shiit.
Im still kicking but and taking names with my Nvidia Geforce2 Ultra
Im still kicking but and taking names with my Nvidia Geforce2 Ultra
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Chiz, I have been reading about Zalman, but I have yet to read anywhere about how to get the heat outside the case. Also, these solutions are all for CPU's, and it has become standard in cases to have one or two fans right by the CPU to exhaust the 50-70 watts of heat they produce. I video card with 75 watts of heat more than doubles that amount of heat, and this concerns me.
Also there is not as much space around the video card as the CPU for the air to circulate. And air cirulating requires fans, and no fans run at 7db. Heat pipes are great and require fans at the other end, and a radiator on the other end...... I really want to see what they have done in the area of video card cooling.
Also there is not as much space around the video card as the CPU for the air to circulate. And air cirulating requires fans, and no fans run at 7db. Heat pipes are great and require fans at the other end, and a radiator on the other end...... I really want to see what they have done in the area of video card cooling.
First
Lifer
Why is everyone so surprised? Anand and the rest of the Internet reviewed a non-shipping card from NVIDIA; i.e. not a shipping retail product.
Since I'll be doing individual video card reviews soon, I called up MSI, PNY and Leadtek to see what their FX schedule would be. All of them said FX availability next month, though not in massive quantities...however what was interesting was that they all purposefully claimed that their cards would be much quieter than the competition, especially the FX cards used in reviews over the Internet.
Though 7db is a little hard to believe, I'm sure most FX cards aren't going to be any louder than 9700 Pro cards.
Since I'll be doing individual video card reviews soon, I called up MSI, PNY and Leadtek to see what their FX schedule would be. All of them said FX availability next month, though not in massive quantities...however what was interesting was that they all purposefully claimed that their cards would be much quieter than the competition, especially the FX cards used in reviews over the Internet.
Though 7db is a little hard to believe, I'm sure most FX cards aren't going to be any louder than 9700 Pro cards.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Just to reiterate my point by quoting Evan Lieb:
"Though 7db is a little hard to believe, I'm sure most FX cards aren't going to be any louder than 9700 Pro cards. "
I even think the 9700 has a lot of heat after reading that review the the Tyan card mentioned somewhere that O/C clocks to 400. Regardless, this is a new and upcoming problem I think, and it would be interesting to see the first round solutions.
"Though 7db is a little hard to believe, I'm sure most FX cards aren't going to be any louder than 9700 Pro cards. "
I even think the 9700 has a lot of heat after reading that review the the Tyan card mentioned somewhere that O/C clocks to 400. Regardless, this is a new and upcoming problem I think, and it would be interesting to see the first round solutions.
Zalman Fanless ~VGA~ Cooler.
Also, there are very quiet fans that have been forgotten as of late (b/c of high temps and the urge to OC) like the ones here:
NoiseControl Silverado.
Removing heat from a case is already an issue, as you've touched upon, but its certainly not isolated to the GF FX. Yes, the GF FX will undoubtedly raise ambient system temps, but so does the R9700pro. Actual heat dissipation based on what the core dissipates is only a component of how much heat the card actually outputs. The R9700pro has a heatplate on the back b/c its capacitors get extremely hot. If you put your hand next to a 9700pro while its running you'll know exactly what I mean (I've tried it, b/c I actually own one
Chiz
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Chiz, you missed my exact same comment on your own quote of me, the 9700 also puts out a lot of heat. On that (not to be too OT), but I just got an internal 35/70 DLT, and you want to talk about heat !!! I modded a 486 case, ripped out the MB, and put the drive there as an external since my case temps went up 5c. This is why I am now more concious of heat in my case in general, and my 8500 won't last forever.
Again, I am really interested in this new facet, where video cards are now putting out as much heat as CPU's, and new ways need to be found to expel that heat from the case. (quietly) Edit: CPU's also for that matter, and not just more case fans.
Again, I am really interested in this new facet, where video cards are now putting out as much heat as CPU's, and new ways need to be found to expel that heat from the case. (quietly) Edit: CPU's also for that matter, and not just more case fans.
Yah, saw the 9700pro comment after I posted 😱
Anyways, the simple answer is that GPUs have become every bit as complex as CPUs; both the R300 and NV30 parallel or eclipse the P4 3.06 in transistor count with well over 100 million transistors. People want more speed, and more speed means more power (external connectors) and more heat (crazy cooling contraptions). Which brings us full circle to a relatively hot topic of late about how the AGP spec should be altered to accomodate larger heat sinks and cooling solutions or how more power should be provided through the AGP slot.
Chiz
Seriously.
Does anyone really think that a company like Gainward, Leadtek, MSI, or PNY would be happy to sell a card with a 70dB FlowFX on it?
We know ABIT is capable of intelligent cooling designs. The others have the capability as well, it's just never been flexed.
I'm quite certain that the designs being sold in volume with be much different than FlowFX.
This is pretty much what nVidia has said all along. Many people on these forums acknowleged it, most can't see past their nose or haven't followed this industry long enough.
That being said, I'm also pretty sure that if the FlowFX got a warm welcome from the community many AIB's would probably consider it for their Ultra parts.
But for mainstream, it's too impractical, and by the looks of it, too expensive as well.
Does anyone really think that a company like Gainward, Leadtek, MSI, or PNY would be happy to sell a card with a 70dB FlowFX on it?
We know ABIT is capable of intelligent cooling designs. The others have the capability as well, it's just never been flexed.
I'm quite certain that the designs being sold in volume with be much different than FlowFX.
This is pretty much what nVidia has said all along. Many people on these forums acknowleged it, most can't see past their nose or haven't followed this industry long enough.
That being said, I'm also pretty sure that if the FlowFX got a warm welcome from the community many AIB's would probably consider it for their Ultra parts.
But for mainstream, it's too impractical, and by the looks of it, too expensive as well.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
Chiz, I think we are now agreed on something !! (the neeed for a new AGP spec)
But why stop with the AGP spec ? I think that a new unified cooling solution is needed. Water cooling (or freon or....) is great, since one radiator can expell the heat of the CPU, GPU and chipset, and maybe more in the future (HD's??) and exhaust that out one place, usually at the top of the case. But cost ? and the complexity ? A unified affordable solution needs to get in the works for the masses, and somebody needs to start the movement.
But why stop with the AGP spec ? I think that a new unified cooling solution is needed. Water cooling (or freon or....) is great, since one radiator can expell the heat of the CPU, GPU and chipset, and maybe more in the future (HD's??) and exhaust that out one place, usually at the top of the case. But cost ? and the complexity ? A unified affordable solution needs to get in the works for the masses, and somebody needs to start the movement.
Wolfsraider
Diamond Member
how many case fans will be necessary to remove the heat from the case?
if they lower the sound of the fan doesn't this have a direct relationship to the amount of heat left in the case?
i guess waiting for the reviews are necessary to see if this solution makes a viable recourse for gainward.
mike
if they lower the sound of the fan doesn't this have a direct relationship to the amount of heat left in the case?
i guess waiting for the reviews are necessary to see if this solution makes a viable recourse for gainward.
mike
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