GeForce Titan coming end of February

[OCGuy]

2/2013: nV launches a card that takes the performance crown, named after the SuperComputer at the top Nuclear Facility in the world that it powers. They basically acknowledge that this is a special card outside of the normal roadmap, by not calling it the 780.

2/2013: AMD announces it has no plans on releasing a single-GPU card that beats the 7970, for at least 2 years from its original launch.

2/2013: Anandtech Forums once again provide hilarity, as nVidia gets all the hate for their announcement. 99.9% of the hate coming from people who probably can't afford one.

 

[OCGuy]

Somebody said as fast as a GTX 690, right?

Someone said a single-GPU without a node shrink was as fast as two of the previous GPUs? Was this a reliable source or someone hoping to set the bar extremely high?

That would be a monumental achievement, but I doubt it.

 

[SirPauly]

This is what's really happening: NV is being outgunned in price/performance and single GPU performance (HD7970 GE > GTX680) at almost all price levels on the desktop; they are are losing TWIMTPB vs. AMD GE war because the developer optimizations have shifted from tessellation to GCN DirectCompute; they are losing key game bundles with big AAA titles to AMD's GE..

You believe that? The market disagrees as nVidia did go from around 53 percent share to 65 and were fashionably late to the 28nm party!

 

[SolMiester]

Fixed.

10,000 units launch, 1 year late, 6 months backlog of GK110 Tesla cards to corporate clients, only started to ship them in October to Oak Ridge. If GK110 is a spiritual successor to GF110, why are there only 10,000 such cards? You are telling us NV only had prepared 10,000 GTX480/580 chips for sale too? How can you succeed mass produced cards like GTX480 and 580 with a limited edition card?

If NV can stamp out GK110s without issues, why aren't they launching 100,000 of them and bringing some down to $500-800 levels too?

This is what's really happening: NV is being outgunned in price/performance and single GPU performance (HD7970 GE > GTX680) at almost all price levels on the desktop; they are are losing TWIMTPB vs. AMD GE war because the developer optimizations have shifted from tessellation to GCN DirectCompute; they are losing key game bundles with big AAA titles to AMD's GE. NV knows they can only rely on their brand for so long before consumers smarten up and consider looking at more reasonably priced alternatives. Instead of waiting for the inevitable price drops on GTX600 series, which would lower their margins and upset NV's shareholders, as the sales start to swings to HD7000 series, they are going with a very clever marketing trick that has worked in the GPU space many times for them -- release the most baddest single GPU card as a halo card and the average Joe still thinks NV has the fastest series on the market because it has the fastest single GPU.

For this reason as well NV's viral tried as hard as possible to spin the media by not accepting that HD7970GE > GTX680 as far back as June 2012 because they understand how important the perception of the fastest single GPU is in the eyes of the average GPU buyer. NV didn't want the average Joe to think GTX680 was no longer the class leader which would have undermined NV's brand equity. Launching GK110 is a very effective and cheap marketing method to swing the momentum back to GTX600 series without needing to drop their prices.

FFS RS, still peddling your angst for NV?!....let it go son, let it go...LOL, great story though mate....

 

[Lonbjerg]

FFS RS, still peddling your angst for NV?!....let it go son, let it go...LOL, great story though mate....

He even invented a GPU...(the GK100) in order to make his point seem coherent...

 

[RussianSensation]

Somebody said as fast as a GTX 690, right?

I think within 10-15% of GTX690's performance is what's currently estimated.

878mhz 2688 CUDA Titan vs. 1058mhz 1536 CUDA GTX680

Gflops = +45% (4.72 Tflops vs. 3.25 Tflops)
Pixel fill-rate = +24% (48 ROPs vs. 32 ROPs)
Texture fill-rate = +45% (224 TMUs vs. 128 TMUs)
Memory bandwidth = +50% (288 GB/s vs. 192 GB/s)

We still don't know if 878mhz is the absolute max GPU clock because there is 1 more level being reported called Max Clock. This could be the "Secret feature" W1zzard was talking about.

This might tie into the Advanced Controls screenshot. There could be a way to access higher levels of voltage and thus GPU Boost giving enthusiasts more control over voltage. Right now voltage is adjusted automatically on GK104. There is a dynamic bump behind the scenes from 1.175V on GK104 that's doesn't show up in MSI AB iirc.

He even invented a GPU...(the GK100) in order to make his point seem coherent...

Yes, like NV held back 10,000 units of GK110 by a full year because they could. Makes a lot of sense. NV's struggle to just get K20/K20X in time with the huge backlog from March 2012 meant that GK100/110 GeForce was a non-starter in 2012. NV couldn't even get cards like GTX660Ti and below out on time since they were wafer starved due to contract obligations sucking up their entire wafer supply for their kepler mobile OEM wins. The fact that NV can only launch 10,000 units of GK110 by February 2013 shows what's what. If NV can sell more than 10,000 units and it's so easy to make GK110, where are they? Why wouldn't NV want to sell 20,000-30,000 of these things? It's free money since it seems the demand is there.

 

[SolMiester]

Im thinking the memory bandwidth will be the real help to performance on this GPU, 680 really does struggle at high res!....

 

[chimaxi83]

2/2013: nV launches a card that takes the performance crown, named after the SuperComputer at the top Nuclear Facility in the world that it powers. They basically acknowledge that this is a special card outside of the normal roadmap, by not calling it the 780.

2/2013: AMD announces it has no plans on releasing a single-GPU card that beats the 7970, for at least 2 years from its original launch.

2/2013: Anandtech Forums once again provide hilarity, as nVidia gets all the hate for their announcement. 99.9% of the hate coming from people who probably can't afford one.

How long are you going to stick with that idiotic "you're just too poor" BS? I'm just curious. Many of us here who've expressed negative opinions about price have GPU setups that meet or exceed Titans rumored price. Not having enough money is based on what, exactly? Sounds like some last ditch, I've got no actual opinion, I have more money than you so ha ha! simpleton mentality .

 

[Lonbjerg]

I think within 10-15% of GTX690's performance is what's currently estimated.

878mhz 2688 CUDA Titan vs. 1058mhz 1536 CUDA GTX680

Gflops = +45% (4.72 Tflops vs. 3.25 Tflops)
Pixel fill-rate = +24% (48 ROPs vs. 32 ROPs)
Texture fill-rate = +45% (224 TMUs vs. 128 TMUs)
Memory bandwidth = +50% (288 GB/s vs. 192 GB/s)

We still don't know if 878mhz is the absolute max GPU clock because there is 1 more level being reported called Max Clock. This could be the "Secret feature" W1zzard was talking about.

This might tie into the Advanced Controls screenshot. There could be a way to access higher levels of voltage and thus GPU Boost giving enthusiasts more control over voltage. Right now voltage is adjusted automatically on GK104. There is a dynamic bump behind the scenes from 1.175V on GK104 that's doesn't show up in MSI AB iirc.



Yes, like NV held back 10,000 units of GK110 by a full year because they could. Makes a lot of sense. NV's struggle to just get K20/K20X in time with the huge backlog from March 2012 meant that GK100/110 GeForce was a non-starter in 2012. NV couldn't even get cards like GTX660Ti and below out on time since they were wafer starved due to contract obligations sucking up their entire wafer supply for their kepler mobile OEM wins. The fact that NV can only launch 10,000 units of GK110 by February 2013 shows what's what. If NV can sell more than 10,000 units and it's so easy to make GK110, where are they? Why wouldn't NV want to sell 20,000-30,000 of these things? It's free money since it seems the demand is there.

I told you not to include me in your FUD.

Link to GK100?

Ball in your court.

PS: Don't bother with loooooong red herrings to avoid giving an answer...link to GK100...or STFU.

 

[SirPauly]

2/2013: nV launches a card that takes the performance crown, named after the SuperComputer at the top Nuclear Facility in the world that it powers. They basically acknowledge that this is a special card outside of the normal roadmap, by not calling it the 780.

Imho,

Why would they call it GTX 780 when the GK-114 would do that? By calling it Titan may open the door for this price-point moving forward. This is an interesting product and price-point and really curious what nVidia does and how the market may react!

One can do this when one has a competitive advantage and opportunity!

 

[BFG10K]

It’s really good to see the noise level is lower than the GTX680, but the potential cost is concerning.

I don’t care one iota about overclocking.

 

[raildogg]

Let the ones who want to spend $900 on a GPU buy it. I may not do the same thing but if people are willing to buy it, then that is what they'll get. A company would gladly produce products that sell. As for it not being a good value in terms of performance per dollar, that is for the consumer who buys it to decide. If people don't spend $900 or whatever the amount is on this card, then that will send a signal to the company. If they buy it, then maybe we will see $1200 cards. In the end, it all lies with the consumer as does everything else.

 

[Ferzerp]

PS: Don't bother with loooooong red herrings.

It's amazing how many people see wall of text and confuse it for meaningful and well reasoned content. (The chewbacca defense apparently works in real life)

 

[rgallant]

Fixed.

10,000 units launch, 1 year late, 6 months backlog of GK110 Tesla cards to corporate clients, only started to ship them in October to Oak Ridge. If GK110 is a spiritual successor to GF110, why are there only 10,000 such cards? You are telling us NV only had prepared 10,000 GTX480/580 chips for sale too? How can you succeed mass produced cards like GTX480 and 580 with a limited edition card?

If NV can stamp out GK110s without issues, why aren't they launching 100,000 of them and bringing some down to $500-800 levels too?

This is what's really happening: NV is being outgunned in price/performance and single GPU performance (HD7970 GE > GTX680) at almost all price levels on the desktop; they are are losing TWIMTPB vs. AMD GE war because the developer optimizations have shifted from tessellation to GCN DirectCompute; they are losing key game bundles with big AAA titles to AMD's GE. NV knows they can only rely on their brand for so long before consumers smarten up and consider looking at more reasonably priced alternatives. Instead of waiting for the inevitable price drops on GTX600 series, which would lower their margins and upset NV's shareholders, as the sales start to swings to HD7000 series, they are going with a very clever marketing trick that has worked in the GPU space many times for them -- release the most baddest single GPU card as a halo card and the average Joe still thinks NV has the fastest series on the market because it has the fastest single GPU.

For this reason as well NV's viral tried as hard as possible to spin the media by not accepting that HD7970GE > GTX680 as far back as June 2012 because they understand how important the perception of the fastest single GPU is in the eyes of the average GPU buyer. NV didn't want the average Joe to think GTX680 was no longer the class leader which would have undermined NV's brand equity. Launching GK110 is a very effective and cheap marketing method to swing the momentum back to GTX600 series without needing to drop their prices.

that's how I see the titan coming out of the blue also , had the gtx 680 being at the top of the benches this card might not exist on paper .[paper as in a limited run of non retail gaming chips/cards]

 

[ams23]

For this reason as well NV's viral tried as hard as possible to spin the media by not accepting that HD7970GE > GTX680 as far back as June 2012 because they understand how important the perception of the fastest single GPU is in the eyes of the average GPU buyer.

Here is Anandtech's conclusion in the June 2012 review of the 7970 GHz Edition:

"As far as pure gaming performance goes the 7970GE and the GTX 680 are tied in our benchmarks at the top single monitor resolution of 2560x1600. The 7970GE scores some impressive wins in Crysis and DiRT 3, while NVIDIA manages to hold on to their substantial leads in Battlefield 3 and Portal 2. Elsewhere we see the 7970GE win at some games while the GTX 680 wins at others, and only very rarely do the two cards actually tie."

In fact, Anandtech even stated in the same article that "the GeForce GTX 680 is still the more desirable gaming card" (for people who don't have multi-monitor ultra high res gaming systems) due to the lower power consumption and lower noise. Of course, the 7970 GHz Ed. became improved over time for several reasons: better drivers with improved performance; lowered street price with bundled games; lowered noise and temps with custom fans and coolers; etc. In short, nothing to do with NVIDIA at all.

 

[RussianSensation]

Im thinking the memory bandwidth will be the real help to performance on this GPU, 680 really does struggle at high res!....

GTX680's texture fill-rate and compute (shader performance) are being wasted against the 670 which points to either a memory bandwidth or an ROP bottleneck, or both.

1058mhz GTX680 vs. 980mhz GTX670

Shader performance / Gflops = +23%
Texture fill-rate = +23%
vs.
Memory bandwidth = 0%
Pixel fill-rate = +8%

2560x1600 4AA
GTX680 vs. 670 = +10%

2560x1600 8AA
GTX680 vs. 670 = +7%
Source

The increase in the Titan's performance could be greater than the increase in its theoretical functional units against 680 because the 680's functional shaders and texture units are underutilized as a result of 1-2 bottlenecks (ROP and/or memory bandwidth). This is how you may get > 50% over 680 with the Titan in some games at 1600P. <Just my 2 cents>

Here is Anandtech's conclusion in the June 2012 review of the 7970 GHz Edition:
l.

If you looked at 20+ reviews when HD7970GE launched, it won the majority of them. The conclusion related to noise levels and power consumption was also questionable since AMD stated from the beginning that no retail HD7970GE cards would use the reference blower. It's not AT's fault since AMD didn't send them retail HD7970Ge cards but at the same time the noise levels and power consumption characteristics of those cards had little to do with retail 7970GEs. The launch cards were cooler, quieter and used less power. Additionally, when HD7970GE launched, they were going for $469.99 not $499.99. The review didn't cover any of those points. Not blaming AT directly since other websites also made similar conclusions. It's AMD's fault there for sending reference 925mhz 7970 with flashed BIOS instead of waiting 1 more month to send reviewers actual retail 7970GE cards (which are all after-market).

Other websites did follow-up with proper HD7970 GE reviews testing actual retail versions. HD7970GE used less power than HD7970 925mhz reference card, ran way cooler and quieter.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/VTX3D/Radeon_HD_7970_X-Edition/26.html

...link to GK100...or STFU.

If you disagree, it's perfectly fine but it would be appreciated if you did so in a respectful manner. 10,000 units of GK110 doesn't jive with your proposed theory.

 

[SirPauly]

How can we have objective forum environment when people refuse to be objective?

Imho.

Forum lore:

One can't force fair, objective, balanced -- and even this is subjective based. Appreciate the insight and views - even if their subjectively fair, balanced, objective, 180's or very one sided.

Many gamers take their time to share -- make mistakes, share, teach, learn, excited, cynical, troll -- but there is a common bond for PC gaming and technology - that is why forums are fun! It's all good!

 

[Lonbjerg]

It's amazing how many people see wall of text and confuse it for meaningful and well reasoned content. (The chewbacca defense apparently works in real life)

He has to use wall of irrelevant text...because he has no links to the phanthom GK100 he invented to make one of his wall of text-rubbish posts seems coherent.

Now he will try and ignore it...and posts many wall of text red herrings...but I will keep asking him about GK100 from now...he made the trap himself.

I guess you are quantity over quality type of guy eh?

 

[The Alias]

He has to use wall of irrelevant text...because he has no links to the phanthom GK100 he invented to make one of his wall of text-rubbish posts seems coherent.

Now he will try and ignore it...and posts many wall of text red herrings...but I will keep asking him about GK100 from now...he made the trap himself.

I guess you are quantity over quality type of guy eh?

you would think since all this time there has been a gx100 that there would be a gk100 but you're really grasping at straws here it's like because Nvidia is coming out with a card more powerful than the 7970 ghz ed you guys are just so relieved

 

[f1sherman]

you would think since all this time there has been a gx100 that there would be a gk100 but you're really grasping at straws here it's like because Nvidia is coming out with a card more powerful than the 7970 ghz ed you guys are just so relieved

YES

While OTOH this card is causing you a real physical pain. Come on bro admit it, and some of that pain might go away

 

[Keysplayr]

I think you're all more interested in one upping each other than the actual subject of the thread. Titan.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think you're all more interested in one upping each other than the actual subject of the thread. Titan.

This.

 

[f1sherman]

He has to use wall of irrelevant text...because he has no links to the phanthom GK100 he invented to make one of his wall of text-rubbish posts seems coherent.

Now he will try and ignore it...and posts many wall of text red herrings...but I will keep asking him about GK100 from now...he made the trap himself.

I guess you are quantity over quality type of guy eh?

Come now, it's not like his posts are not "meaningful and well reasoned", although there is always room for improvement

But when I see his 20kB response, or anyones to that matter, dissecting every 3rd word as if being discussion-worthy, I'll proly read it, but most likely won't bother responding.

 

[SolMiester]

Cool, can we all be friends now?

 

[2is]

Fixed.

10,000 units launch, 1 year late, 6 months backlog of GK110 Tesla cards to corporate clients, only started to ship them in October to Oak Ridge. If GK110 is a spiritual successor to GF110, why are there only 10,000 such cards? You are telling us NV only had prepared 10,000 GTX480/580 chips for sale too? How can you succeed mass produced cards like GTX480 and 580 with a limited edition card?

Too bad AMD doesn't have an answer for this 1 year old card. But I guess that's a silver lining for them considering they don't have an answer for a 2 year old processor.