GeForce Titan coming end of February

[OILFIELDTRASH]

If people want to pay a grand for a single GPU then let them. Hopefully it keeps the discrete market alive and well so I can get my bang for the buck cards cheap.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

in previous generations halo gpus didn't bring as much bang for the buck as say the midrange but it's ok for the price to performance to drop some as they were halo cards you pay a bit more to have a card of that status . The 7970 was one such card and even though it was bit worse it made up for it with it's amazing ability to overclock and it's ability to PAY for it self over some months . Titan offers only one of those benefits yet the price to performance of last generation's halo cards are literally HALVED . The halo rule no longer applies to Titan becasue it's not a freaking halo card. halo cards have the same or better price to perf than the last gens halo cards NOT HALF

Then don't buy it. And when the 7970 GHz get stomped in every review just take solace in the fact that they get better price/performance.

There were tons of happy 460 and 6850 owners, they had much better price performance.. There is nothing wrong with this segment or the people who enjoy it!

Welcome to 28nm though, the 7970 and 680 were both mid-range and their price doubled, I see lots of people who bought them complaining in this thread. Why is it ok for mid-range 28nm performance to double in cost, but not halo cards? Heck the halo didn't even double, and still you complain? Come on now! :whiste:

 

[OCGuy]

I just can't comprehend how people think a 500mm2 chip is going to miraculously generate no heat whatsoever. There is not a snowballs chance in GPU heat producing hell that this thing will OC to the same clock speeds as the gtx680 unless the cooler is some ridiculous marvel of engineering.

Isnt the 6 series voltage locked down? (Correct me if I am wrong). Today I have seen slides showing voltage adjustment on Titan..which could be fake, but if that were the case, wouldnt it have more headroom possibly? Also speculation of another spot for a power connector for AIBs to make specialty versions of for NV to release TITAN EXTREME TO THE MAX...which would mean the chip has much more headroom than anyone thinks.

 

[96Firebird]

...but that's not the same as saying the current price is acceptable.

What makes a price "acceptable"?

 

[f1sherman]

Don't attempt the strawman argument there please. I didn't say anyone would not love to pay less, but that's not the same as saying the current price is acceptable.

Hey Im game if you are

I'll picket Santa Clara with you any day of the week bro :ninja:

 

[ICDP]

Then don't buy it. And when the 7970 GHz get stomped in every review just take solace in the fact that they get better price/performance.

There were tons of happy 460 and 6850 owners, they had much better price performance.. There is nothing wrong with this segment or the people who enjoy it!

Welcome to 28nm though, the 7970 and 680 were both mid-range and their price doubled, I see lots of people who bought them complaining in this thread. Why is it ok for mid-range 28nm performance to double in cost, but not halo cards? Heck the halo didn't even double, and still you complain? Come on now! :whiste:

This is a ridiculous argument. HD 7970 and GTX 680 were not mid range cards by virtue of the fact that for over one year they were the highest end single GPU both AMD and Nvidia could produce. In fact as of this post they still are. They were also priced at the historic high-end price of $500 - $550. Titan offers a similar ~37%-42% performance increase as the GTX 680 and HD 7970 offered over their respective predecessors. Yet it is rumoured to cost $900.

 

[ICDP]

What makes a price "acceptable"?

How about we compare it to the current fastest single GPU and go with price/perf? That way we can arrive at a number that's "acceptable".

Simple eh

 

[OCGuy]

How about we compare it to the current fastest single GPU and go with price/perf? That way we can arrive at a number that's "acceptable".

Simple eh

Don't ever try to start a business, please. nV just had a record quarter in revenue, I trust them to make sound descisions based off real factors that go into pricing.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

This is a ridiculous argument. HD 7970 and GTX 680 were not mid range cards by virtue of the fact that for over one year they were the highest end single GPU both AMD and Nvidia could produce. In fact as of this post they still are. They were also priced at the historic high-end price of $500 - $550. Titan offers a similar ~37%-42% performance increase as the GTX 680 and HD 7970 offered over their respective predecessors. Yet it is rumoured to cost $900.

Argument? What exactly are we arguing over?

If you couldn't figure out a 20-30% increase in performance after a full node shrink was mid-range generational gains than there is really nothing for us to "argue" about.


Mid-range with a higher TDP is still mid-range, it just has a higher TDP.

 

[Compddd]

Wow, why are we even here there is only one company worth discussing and they give away free money!

Oh right, some of us use our PC's for entertainment and actually get a weekly paycheck.

You don't work Balla you stay at home with your kid while your women work!

 

[amenx]

This is a ridiculous argument. HD 7970 and GTX 680 were not mid range cards by virtue of the fact that for over one year they were the highest end single GPU both AMD and Nvidia could produce. In fact as of this post they still are. They were also priced at the historic high-end price of $500 - $550. Titan offers a similar ~37%-42% performance increase as the GTX 680 and HD 7970 offered over their respective predecessors. Yet it is rumoured to cost $900.

Titan was not meant to be compared to other cards on a value/performance basis, it is a limited edition card for those who do not care about value/performance, but want the fastest, best single GPU made. Many high end products are also characterized by the diminishing returns principle where you pay more to get relatively less for the products market niche. Is that so hard to understand? Jeezus F. Christ.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You don't work Balla you stay at home with your kid while your women work!

What's mine is theirs, what's theirs is mine ^_^

Expect I have no say in weather or not I purchase a $900 graphics card or not!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Whats interesting about those numbers is that nVIDIA has managed to significantly surpass what a GCN is capable of within the same power envelope given.

And I don't get what the fuss is about with the price. People will buy them period because they can afford them. Arguing about price/performance, bang per buck about a top performing product.. just accept the fact that these big corporates aren't targeting your pockets but those that have deep deep pockets. I can imagine that theyll adjust the pricing depending on the demand levels that they see.

 

[ICDP]

Argument? What exactly are we arguing over?

If you couldn't figure out a 20-30% increase in performance after a full node shrink was mid-range generational gains than there is really nothing for us to "argue" about.

The HD 7970 was 42% faster than the HD 6970, with over-clocking it rose to ~60% faster. Certainly not 20-30%, nice try with the revisionist history.

 

[f1sherman]

How about we compare it to the current fastest single GPU and go with price/perf? That way we can arrive at a number that's "acceptable".

Simple eh

Ya!
It's called Planned Economy

Very big in the previous century.
Mostly in places like USSR, Cuba, East Europe, PR China.

 

[amenx]

ICDP, you must have sleepless nights fidgeting over why people buy Rolexes over Seikos or Timexs.

 

[ICDP]

Titan was not meant to be compared to other cards on a value/performance basis, it is a limited edition card for those who do not care about value/performance, but want the fastest, best single GPU made. Many high end products are also characterized by the diminishing returns principle where you pay more to get relatively less for the products market niche. Is that so hard to understand? Jeezus F. Christ.

Is this how we are going to justify the price now? FFS, how ridiculous are your arguments getting. Do you all get together to see who can come up with the most idiotic defence of Titan pricing?

 

[ICDP]

ICDP, you must have sleepless nights fidgeting over why people buy Rolexes over Seikos or Timexs.

LOL, now Nvidia are the equivelent of Rolex and AMD are Timex. ahahahaha, priceless, lol just like Titan.

 

[amenx]

You want to completely miss the points, be my guest.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The HD 7970 was 42% faster than the HD 6970, with over-clocking it rose to ~60% faster. Certainly not 20-30%, nice try with the revisionist history.

This changes what?

AMD's goalposts was considering closer than Nvidia's? lol


Anyways, even at ~60%, that's still 20% short of what stock should have done, at the very least.

 

[ICDP]

This changes what?

AMD's goalposts was considering closer than Nvidia's? lol


Anyways, even at ~60%, that's still 20% short of what stock should have done, at the very least.

If 42% is short of what the increase should have been what about the alleged 37% performance increase of Titan over HD 7970 GE? Don't use the "it's on the same 28nm process", that doesn't help the argument, it hinders it.

 

[parvadomus]

Whats interesting about those numbers is that nVIDIA has managed to significantly surpass what a GCN is capable of within the same power envelope given.

Have you seen real consumption numbers? And again this is a particular gpu die, neither this represents Kepler entirely, nor 7970 represents GCN.

 

[RussianSensation]

Many high end products are also characterized by the diminishing returns principle where you pay more to get relatively less for the products market niche. Is that so hard to understand? Jeezus F. Christ.

That's right. Which is why all those people who are saying the price on the Titan is justifiable now because it's the fastest single-GPU card and it can be priced way higher had the exact same viewpoint when AMD raised the prices from $369 of 6970 to $549 on the 7970. Right? :hmm:

The same people who even had AMD cards when HD7970 launched and criticized its price/performance or overall price are pointing out that Titan is even more overpriced. The same people who bashed AMD raising prices to ATI/NV historical levels are now trying to tell us that Titan's price is perfectly fine since it's a flagship/halo card. What I got out of this is NV is excused from delivering great price/performance and are forgiven for raising prices. No double standard, none at all. ^_^ It sounds like there is a large percentage of NV buyers are who are completely price inelastic but these same consumers do not feel the same way when the competitor raises prices. They bash the competitor for being overpriced but defend their preferred brand's high prices, often blaming the competitor for 'allowing' NV to get away with their pricing schemes! Then they try to come up with reasons why high prices are justifiable based on perceived value. Sounds A LOT like Apple consumers to me. I don't know why NV doesn't just raise the price of Maxwell to $1,500. While at it, 14nm dual-GPU GTX890 at $2,000. Just go for it!

Some of you guys are so naive. You think NV focus group members aren't collecting information on your consumer behaviour and gauging what prices the high-end NV consumers would bear? You know what company's Focus Groups are for? So many of you are publicly admitting that you are perfectly fine paying MORE and an NV's Focus Group member is taking notes and reports this back to his bosses. Some of you claim to understand supply vs. demand. You are publicly relinquishing your bargaining power/position by your own admittance that you will bear even higher prices, which results in supply-side of the equation having greater influence over the market. "Jeezus F. Christ."

 

[OCGuy]

I have a feeling that IDC and Virge are keeping an eye on a couple of these "New" registered accounts.

Once the official review/launch thread is up, I see several infractions being handed out.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I think only AMD fans can think of giving concessions to a company, everyone else just either accepts it or moves on.

We're still here with AMD fans trying to get people to say "justify", 71 pages in.

They just can't accept that not everyone is attached emotionally and physically to a company I guess.