GeForce RTX 2060/2070/2080 Super Reviews

[Thala]

What is the point of Ray Tracing on 2070S and 2060S if it ends up with lower performance? Its counter productive, still. The only GPU that makes sense at this point for RT is RTX 2080 Ti.

Nonsense! You just need to reduce some settings and raytracing is perfectly viable on RTX2060. Now we even have a RTX2060 Super as entry into raytracing.

 

[railven]

Nonsense! You just need to reduce some settings and raytracing is perfectly viable on RTX2060. Now we even have a RTX2060 Super as entry into raytracing.

Yeah but then how can you defend that AMD is essentially releasing an already "out dated" piece of hardware.

Ray tracing is now mainstream marketing speak. AMD can thank the console vendors they've been in bed for so long with on that one. Now we just need the games!

Terrible car analogy, if both are the same and one brings Z-rated tires and an HD-Radio (ignoring brand value), most people would just take it. Granted they'll probably never go over 80 MPH or listen to terrestrial radio again, but they have the option if they ever wish to.

 

[swilli89]

Skip the reviews. NVIDIA lowered price of 2070 by $100 and 2080 by $200. NVIDIA has just made it a VERY marketing intensive price drop.

Also, why did Anandtech leave out the R VII? Would have liked to see it.

 

[Thala]

Yeah but then how can you defend that AMD is essentially releasing an already "out dated" piece of hardware.

Ray tracing is now mainstream marketing speak. AMD can thank the console vendors they've been in bed for so long with on that one. Now we just need the games!

Terrible car analogy, if both are the same and one brings Z-rated tires and an HD-Radio (ignoring brand value), most people would just take it. Granted they'll probably never go over 80 MPH or listen to terrestrial radio again, but they have the option if they ever wish to.

I do not defend AMD here. I even assume that AMD is going to release GPUs with HW raytracing support sometimes next year - i mean they have to.

At the moment you could argue that there is only Metro Exodus with significant IQ enhancements due to raytraced global illumination. However most people buying a GPU right now will not buy them for existing games but mostly for future games - where we have quite a few AAA titles with raytracing in the pipe.

In this sense the current Navi offerings are only stop-gap solutions, which need to be priced well below otherwise comparable Nvidia RTX series graphic cards.

 

[railven]

I do not defend AMD here. I even assume that AMD is going to release GPUs with HW raytracing support sometimes next year - i mean they have to.

I'm not saying you are defending it. With the two cards at very similar price, performance, and possibly power consumption, the feature set will define them. Ray Tracing wasn't a strong feature until E3 where both Sony and MSFT announced some type of Ray Tracing support thus making it a huge marketing word, especially in gaming forums.

Yet, you'll still see people saying Ray Tracing doesn't matter with a tired excuse of "it lowers performance." If the two products are mostly equal how is that even a counter argument anymore? The cards will perform equal with it off, but only one offers it. Why gimp yourself from the start purchasing an otherwise equal produce with less features?

"Because it lowers performance."

 

[maddie]

Skip the reviews. NVIDIA lowered price of 2070 by $100 and 2080 by $200. NVIDIA has just made it a VERY marketing intensive price drop.

Also, why did Anandtech leave out the R VII? Would have liked to see it.

Yep. Are we witnessing the reluctant start of a glacial price war? I hope.

 

[guachi]

Ray tracing is largely a gimmick at this point. Too few titles and poor performance. It's not much of a "feature". If ray tracing mattered to you then you'd be better off getting a used 1070 or 1080 or something and buying a 3070 or 3080 in a year and a half when.

In the computing world, paying for a feature you *might* use 18 months from now is just stupid. It's like buying a truck for that one time a year you haul something in it.

 

[SPBHM]

Ray tracing is largely a gimmick at this point. Too few titles and poor performance. It's not much of a "feature". If ray tracing mattered to you then you'd be better off getting a used 1070 or 1080 or something and buying a 3070 or 3080 in a year and a half when.

In the computing world, paying for a feature you *might* use 18 months from now is just stupid. It's like buying a truck for that one time a year you haul something in it.

thing is, you are not really paying a big premium for RT when the 2060 Super costs $20 more than the 5700 and is likely as fast or faster with it turned off,
and RT in a couple of games is pretty cool and the 2060 Super can run it decently at 1080P.

RT can be a "gimmick", but so are "ultra" graphics, I dare say enabling RT on Metro Exodus offers more than increasing the settings from "high" to "ultra" or "extreme".

 

[railven]

Ray tracing is largely a gimmick at this point. Too few titles and poor performance. It's not much of a "feature". If ray tracing mattered to you then you'd be better off getting a used 1070 or 1080 or something and buying a 3070 or 3080 in a year and a half when.

In the computing world, paying for a feature you *might* use 18 months from now is just stupid. It's like buying a truck for that one time a year you haul something in it.

Gimmick or not, you're going to argue people would opt for the product without the gimmick all else equal? Would you?

 

[beginner99]

Yep. Are we witnessing the reluctant start of a glacial price war? I hope.

I hope but doubt it. I want / should buy a zen2 cpu given my overaged rig but I don't want to buy a GPU right now. In the end these prices will just keep me from buying anything. After all I don't really need it.
It's desperate but I'm betting on intel starting a real price war next year.

 

[coercitiv]

As a strong first day critic of Turing features I'm amazed anyone thinks Navi can stand besides Super cards and ask for the same $$$. Unless Navi comes in with notably better perf/dollar or clearly better perf/watt, it's as as good as dead on arrival. I'd love to see Navi cards launched with surprisingly better perf/watt than expected and plenty of extra performance left in the tank, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

Nvidia made an excellent move in terms of timing. I hope AMD was ready to react and Navi will come out swinging.

In the computing world, paying for a feature you *might* use 18 months from now is just stupid. It's like buying a truck for that one time a year you haul something in it.

You're not paying for it if the competition asks for the same price and the feature is missing. In the computing world refusing the more advanced chip with no obvious downside is just stupid.

 

[guachi]

Are you sure it's more advanced? AMD has features (though we won't know how well they work until reviews) that you can use in more games sooner with less of a performance hit.

 

[Head1985]

Looks like we now have Nvidia's mid range 12nm GPU beating AMD's top end 7nm GPU.

That "top end 7nm" is nothing more than tiny SKU like polaris and rx470/480 replacement.Its just overpriced.Vega replacement will be out next year.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The "Super" line is definitely a move in the right direction. It's not enough, with the 2070S we're looking at $650 performance 3 years ago for $500 today, which is better than what it was but still not great.

Navi was shown beating both the 2070 and the 2060, and will likely come in just shy of both iterations of Super cards. The real question now is if AMD tweaks the price on launch to make the Navi cards a real value proposition, while still retaining some of that sweet margin they were after. I agree with sentiments in this thread that if the cards aren't priced too far apart, people will go with the stronger brand with more marketable features: the Super cards.

$429 and $350 seem like more reasonable numbers for the Navi cards in light of this launch. It was a mystery to no one that NV was stocking up on better binned chips, their whole line-up was weird with only one TU104 card and the 2070 as a TU106 card. AMD knew it too, so we'll see if they're really committed to getting back into gamer's machines.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I won't be shocked if AMD doesn't adjust prices like at all, at least initially. I expect their first move to be a game bundle promotion or something. But even then, I feel like you'd have to be silly (or AMD have some bombshell that will radically change things) to go for Navi over the Nvidia Super cards. And the thing is, even if AMD drops the price some, Nvidia can likely hit them with a double whammy of firesale on the non-Super RTX cards, and then probably drop prices on the Super cards after that. I'm skeptical that Navi costs AMD less than Turing costs' Nvidia, and on top of that AMD has to weigh GPU sales against possibly losing higher margin CPU production. So I think we'll end up in a relative stalemate, where they'll do some game bundling and maybe some price maneuvering, maybe we'll even see 5700XT drop to $399.

Honestly though, even if the 5700XT was $299 I think I'd pass on it (same with the Nvidia offerings if the 2060 Super were $299 and the 2070 Super $399). Too many questions about ray-tracing for me to care much about it yet (once its properly integrated, especially with HDR and modern color, lighting, and shadow, it will be worth it). Plus I'd wait for HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.0.

Next year should be a LOT more interesting for GPUs. Nvidia on 7nm (where it sounds like they got a pretty ridiculous deal from Samsung for production so maybe we'll see them be more aggressive on pricing), Intel should be in the market (they might be aggressive on pricing to gain marketshare), and then we'll have a better idea of what AMD is doing (AMD should have a tangible start towards ray-tracing support; we'll likely get a lot better idea of their GPU plans).

Are you sure it's more advanced? AMD has features (though we won't know how well they work until reviews) that you can use in more games sooner with less of a performance hit.

Unless AMD has been seriously sandbagging, they don't have anything that Nvidia likely doesn't already have or could implement. Nvidia already has some sharpening options (specifically for gaming, there's a tab in their drivers that has a bunch of that type of image tweaking options; and they definitely could implement the sharpening that AMD is doing; they claim they already offer what "anti-lag" is as well). There's some slight chance that AMD might have a more advanced video processing block but I doubt most people would buy for that, and I'm not sure its true. Nvidia's encoder has better software support so even if its superior it doesn't mean anything if the software you use doesn't support it.

 

[IntelUser2000]

RT can be a "gimmick", but so are "ultra" graphics, I dare say enabling RT on Metro Exodus offers more than increasing the settings from "high" to "ultra" or "extreme".

Yea, the maximum settings provide diminishing returns in graphics quality.

With the next year's top tier games announcing support for Ray Tracing, its no longer a gimmick anymore.

And its not like Ray Tracing has one setting. You can always put it at levels below Ultra. Just a setting below the max makes it run a ton better.

 

[Gideon]

I won't be shocked if AMD doesn't adjust prices like at all, at least initially. I expect their first move to be a game bundle promotion or something.

This crossed my mind as well. As Zen 2 is also being released at the same time, and AMD has mentioned that they try to push them together, i wouldn't be surprised if AMD also has some hardware bundles. E.g buy a mobo + cpu + gpu and get 100-200$ off

 

[Insomniator]

Looks good to me, no longer any need to risk 500 bucks buying used 1080TI's that can be up to three years old.

 

[tviceman]

Nope, RTX 2060 Super at $400 looks pretty decent. I might pick one up this year to replace my dead 970.

Yes, the 2060S for $399 is tempting. The
2070 Super at $499 looks good too

No, they won't.

Then Navi is DOA at those prices. Inferior perf/$ based on AMD's own "15% better than Vega 64" claim, inferior perf/w, and inferior hardware feature set.

It's the losing trifecta.

 

[Stuka87]

Yes, the 2060S for $399 is tempting. The
2070 Super at $499 looks good too


Then Navi is DOA at those prices. Inferior perf/$ based on AMD's own "15% better than Vega 64" claim, inferior perf/w, and inferior hardware feature set.

It's the losing trifecta.

You sure talk with a lot of "facts" about a product that isn't released and has had literally zero testing outside AMD.

And sure, the Supers look fine if you were not one of the consumers that got raked over the coals by nVidia (again) after buying cards that nVidia knew full well they would be obsoleting inside 6 months.

 

[coercitiv]

You sure talk with a lot of "facts" about a product that isn't released and has had literally zero testing outside AMD.

Double edged blade here, based on this logic we should refrain from any objective / fact based comment about Navi until independent reviews are out.

All we can do is express wishes and hopes. Thoughts and prayers for Navi, my heart goes out to everyone in AMD marketing.

 

[Stuka87]

Double edged blade here, based on this logic we should refrain from any objective / fact based comment about Navi until independent reviews are out.

All we can do is express wishes and hopes. Thoughts and prayers for Navi, my heart goes out to everyone in AMD marketing.

Oh, people can guess and hypothesize all they wan't. But its wrong when somebody talks in matter of facts when we actually do not have any facts.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Looks good to me, no longer any need to risk 500 bucks buying used 1080TI's that can be up to three years old.

-This is huge. One of the most frustrating knock on effects of high Turing pricing was the inflated pricing of used parts thanks to the lack of $/perf improvement.

"Patient gamer's" such as myself were used to getting the prior gen's top end performance for half the price, but that didn't happen this time around. The 2070S makes the $500 after market 1080ti obsolete overnight, and used 1080ti prices should start migrating down to the mid $300 range where they should have been a long time ago.

The folks who really got screwed here are the guys that just bought a 2080 new or a 1080ti used and it just passed the return period.

 

[Mopetar]

With the next year's top tier games announcing support for Ray Tracing, its no longer a gimmick anymore.

I remember when all of the companies were announcing support for VR. And the time before that when all of the companies were announcing support for motion controls.

Most of it turned out to be half-baked crud and even that's being charitable. Talk is cheap and results are what matters.

 

[ozzy702]

Ooooffff... poor AMD on the GPU side of things, at least their CPU division is killing it. GPU pricing is still dookie but just got a bit better. 2070 Super looks to be a decent high end option.

I'm excited to see NVIDIA on 7nm. Assuming that Samsung's process is solid, the 3000 series should be executed very well and offer a nice upgrade to everyone on 400/500 series AMD and Maxwell/Pascal NVIDIA GPUs.