GeForce Kepler 104 (GK104) 256-bit GDDR5 Memory Bus - 225W TDP

[3DVagabond]

Your looking at close to 300w if OCed,,, wow..

http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-kepler-104-gk104--256bit-gddr5-memory-bus--225w-tdp-/

snip:
"Another report has revealed more details on the NVIDIA GK104 GPU (graphics processing unit) based graphico card."

I wonder if the "other report" is Semiaccurate? Semiaccurate is also reporting rumored price of $299. With the reservation that it might be misinformation to try and hold back 7900 sales.

snip:
"There are two caveats to this number that you should be aware of. First, this is the initial round of pricing, and as we know, they do change, volume, yields etc. Second, it could well be a red herring to try and crater AMD 79xx sales, even given the number of sources that gave us the same number."

There should be at least three cards like with 4xx and 5xx, and then a troop of worthless cards as well.

But the main three should be x80/x70/x60, x60 which this card references should be a $250~ card, x70 which should have a larger bus would be in the $350 range with the x80 of course sitting in the $500 range.

But that's just based on the past few releases, speculation I guess.

This might fit if the highend cards are going to be released as 700 series, as rumored before. nVidia skipped the 300's, except for some oem models. So, it's not like it's without precedence.

Gtx460 also beat radeon 5870 at some things, civ5 heavy tess among those i belive

The 5870 was well and truly faster than the 460. Consider that the 460 is about equal to the 6850, which is slower than the 5850 overall. There might be an outlier game or something, but the 460 didn't "beat" the 5870, which is what is being rumored about this "680".

 

[Ajay]

I wonder if the "other report" is Semiaccurate? Semiaccurate is also reporting rumored price of $299. With the reservation that it might be misinformation to try and hold back 7900 sales.

Yeah, this doesn't make much sense. $300 for near 7970 performance?? Not likely. An NV $300 card with ~GTX 580 performance, now that would have a pretty significant impact on the market. Like you said, at this point I think NV is just muddying the waters. It will be interesting to see what NV does finally releases.

 

[JTsyo]

When its a real product with real benchmarks done by a reviewer then we'll give a crap Until then no one knows for sure

But it's fun to speculate. Instead of keeping tabs on celebrities we follow hardware

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yeah, this doesn't make much sense. $300 for near 7970 performance??

7970 is only a $550 card if the performance/demand warrants it. Unless you believe AMD contacted Nvidia, found out their performance/pricing plans then moved the 7970 into a sweet spot between the 770 and 780 which will retail for $525 and $650 respectively "$300 for 7970 performance" isn't a valid comparison.

But it's fun to speculate. Instead of keeping tabs on celebrities we follow hardware

Much more fun too!

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

"Another report has revealed more
details on the NVIDIA GK104 GPU
(graphics processing unit) based
graphico card."

El nvidia es muy bien. Me gustaria uno graphico. ...225W, Dios mio! No digo!:biggrin:

 

[Vesku]

If accurate, that TDP doesn't give them much room to grow. Hopefully the performance/$/Watt is spectacular.

 

[Ajay]

7970 is only a $550 card if the performance/demand warrants it. Unless you believe AMD contacted Nvidia, found out their performance/pricing plans then moved the 7970 into a sweet spot between the 770 and 780 which will retail for $525 and $650 respectively "$300 for 7970 performance" isn't a valid comparison.

The use of '770' and '780' and 'sweet spot' and other supposed price points are not valid in this context either - but you are comfortable with that. In any case, my main point is that most of this stuff is probably just FUD at the present time.

 

[ArizonaSteve]

Would rather see 4GB instead of 2GB. Especially if I decide to buy two of these cards and run them in SLI.

 

[mak360]

everything charlie sprouting is already out there (look at tapai and guru3d dates and there is many others i cant be bothered to search). he has nothing exclusive.

For Charlie, its become all about hits unfortunately. I think the 7950 is to counter the gk104 release and nividia is again countering it with price.. the only answer nvidia has is to price low

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm not sure why people are assuming Nvidia will be slow, the 7970 isn't much faster than the 580 in many games at the most common gaming resolution which is 1080p.

 

[exar333]

Yeah, this doesn't make much sense. $300 for near 7970 performance?? Not likely. An NV $300 card with ~GTX 580 performance, now that would have a pretty significant impact on the market. Like you said, at this point I think NV is just muddying the waters. It will be interesting to see what NV does finally releases.

Remember when the 8800GT came out? It was an amazing value card that delivered almost top-tier performance.

 

[mak360]

People know gk104 will be fast, think that is pretty fair to be honest. The word going around though is, medium lvl cards are going to be crazy super-fast which beat out the 7970 cards.



its just that I would add some salt to that

 

[Crap Daddy]

Does anybody really think that NV will launch its first new gen card that will be slower than AMD's top product? It didn't happen in the last years and it won't happen now. They know the target, what's the power of a 7970, and apparently a GK104 is enough to surpass it. Do you think that NV has any trouble of upping the performance of a GTX580 with 30% on 28nm?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I enjoyed this German review, they tested 15 DX11 titles and produced an average performance across all games:

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I enjoyed this German review, they tested 15 DX11 titles and produced an average performance across all games:

Ok what's your point? The gtx580 is a horrible value compared to the 7970 and 6970?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yes, that was my point all along.

All hail AMD!

Leave it to AMD to bring value and sensibility to the high end spectrum where Nvidia had always failed to do so.

 

[Vesku]

Doesn't seem like NVIDIA is in a hurry to clear out GTX 580 inventory, it's barely budged overall. Lends some weight to the mid-range card being launched first.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Yes, that was my point all along.

All hail AMD!

Leave it to AMD to bring value and sensibility to the high end spectrum where Nvidia had always failed to do so.

I should have put the 560ti and gtx570 in there also, but your post was an obvious attempt to slight AMD. Really the gtx580 is a great card it's just far to expensive at this point in it's life.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I didn't mean to slight AMD. I meant only to point out at 1200p and even more so at lower resolutions the current difference between the 7970 and the 580 isn't that great.

People are speculating that the GK104 chip will be right around 580 performance at these resolutions, some think a bit lower, others a bit higher. But the point I was attemping to make was at mainstream resolutions, such as 1200p/1080p/900p the GK104 card is going to a nice alternative to the 7970 and even the 7950 which have features that alluded to it's higher resolution performance that the GK104 card doesn't have, while also retaining the price tag those features command.

So basically what I said is GK104 is going to be a decent card for people running mainstream resolutions, for a decent price. $300 is still too much for me personally, and the performance won't be enough for me to upgrade over what I currently have so I'm in the same situation I was with the 7970 anyways.

If you believe I'm playing favorites that's fine, but I'm really not. I'm just looking for the right card (for me), and so far I haven't seen it from either side.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Yes, that was my point all along.

All hail AMD!

Leave it to AMD to bring value and sensibility to the high end spectrum where Nvidia had always failed to do so.

:hmm:
Kinda disqualified yourself with that comment.

 

[Skurge]

You guys are being trolled pretty hard here.

In any case, I wouldn't expect miracles from from GK104, TSMCs 28nm process is not very good right now. AMD has historically been better at moving to new nodes than nVidia and AMD did a great job with Tahiti, reasonable power consumption and heat together with some nice OC headroom.

I expect GK104 to come under 7950 performance and if its going to use 225W (and we all know we can trust nvidia TDP claims) it going to use a similar amount of power.

Now pricing could be interesting, if it is priced at 299 and gives slightly lower than GTX580 performance than they have a real winner, but we have 570s that cost that much so it won't be unprecedented.

Whats more realistic is nVidia just pricing where there is a gap for it. If the 7950 is 449, then GK104 will likely be 399. and might beat the 7870.

 

[Silverforce11]

I don't even know how they can (fail so hard to) make a card thats only around gtx580 performance at 28nm while having 225W TDP.

With a full node shrink, 580 performance levels should be obtained with ~150-170W.

 

[exar333]

Does anybody really think that NV will launch its first new gen card that will be slower than AMD's top product? It didn't happen in the last years and it won't happen now. They know the target, what's the power of a 7970, and apparently a GK104 is enough to surpass it. Do you think that NV has any trouble of upping the performance of a GTX580 with 30% on 28nm?

You don't understand.

New gen card != top-tier product. Period.

AMD has released a lower or mid-range card on a new process with good results in the past. Nothing wrong with it. Intel does this now for their CPUs; helps them work out issues before the flagships are released.

 

[exar333]

Lots of trolling and misinformation in this thread.

'AMD is protecting the consumer'
'NV HAS to have a HUGE die'
'NV next-gen card MUST be the flagship'

Folks, things change. Times change. The market this year is not last year, and the AMD/NV we have now isn't the exact same company it was last year or the year before either.

 

[Joseph F]

Dear nVidia, and nVidia Focus Members/Shills/whatever, if you're reading this:

Give me GTX 580 performance @ $250-350 price points and I will buy it without question. My GF's GTX 460 is starting to show it's age and she doesn't need to drive more than one monitor or anything fancy you may stick into higher models. Actually, if I can get GTX 580+10% in the same price bracket that would be even better.

Sincerely,
Railven

I'm sure that they will deliver a product like this.
Anything less would be an utter failure.