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GeForce GTX 580 vs. Radeon HD 5970 2GB

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And of course, you miss the entire point of this exercise, intentionally or otherwise.
Ironically, no, you did. Cusideabelincoln got the point quite clearly. The 5970 was never intended to compete with the GTX 580 - how on Earth would AMD know the performance of NVIDIA's flagship model a year out? Furthermore, so the 5970 is still the fastest single card out there, who cares? Are some of you sad the Green Team didn't bring home the "trophy"? It seems like some of you are just looking to pick a fight or play cheerleader. I suggest you get involved in spectator sports like professional football or basketball.

Actually the 6990 should be ~ twice as fast as a gtx580 or 6970, am I right? The 5970 should have been 2x faster then the gtx480 also.
Why?
 
ironically, no, you did. Cusideabelincoln got the point quite clearly. The 5970 was never intended to compete with the gtx 580 - how on earth would amd know the performance of nvidia's flagship model a year out? So the 5970 is still the fastest single card out there, who cares? Are some of you sad the green team didn't bring home the trophy? It seems like the most of you are just looking to pick a fight or play cheerleader. may i suggest you get involved in spectator sports like professional football or basketball.

Why?


lol
 
And of course, you miss the entire point of this exercise, intentionally or otherwise. You seem to be quite unaware, that the sole reason you took his post as trolling, was because of your very own position of bias. Can't cast the bias card when you live by it as well. Doesn't work. And as evidence of this bias, is the glaring absence of any bias accusation from you toward MrK6's post which Tviceman quoted. Dude I mean c'mon. Don't you think anybody picks up on these things?

whooosh!, that's deep dude!
 
Thats about average. 4870x2 and 5870 , 3870x2 , 4890. It ususally take more then a year. Nvidia's high end gpu's seem to competing with themselves.
It takes 2 AMD gpu's to = 1 of Nvidia's.

Bizarre way of thinking. I realize you're pushing an agenda, but... doesn't x-fire 6870 wipe the floor with the 580?

That being said, for the same price the 580 is the way to go these days. I think people who own 5970's should be happy with performance, and people who get them for $250 on ebay should be very happy. But the 580 gives you the option of SLI down the line. 2 5970's do not scale that well.
 
The 5870 was cheaper than both the 4870x2 and GTX295. It was also DX11 vs DX10 and consumed much less power than either.

The GTX580 is more expensive than the 5970 and consumes about the same power or more. Both are DX11.

This is a good point. In previous generations the newer single GPU flagship cards had a number of advantages over the previous gens dual GPU cards. The only real advantage the 580 has on the 5970 is its a single GPU card.
 
This is a good point. In previous generations the newer single GPU flagship cards had a number of advantages over the previous gens dual GPU cards. The only real advantage the 580 has on the 5970 is its a single GPU card.

You missed, the 580 doesnt rely on driver profiles for performance, doesnt have the memory limitation of the 5970 and has better tessellation performance (for when thats important)...oh and the usual stuff..CUDA, Phyx, decent linux support etc and the option of a 2nd card...LOL
 
Yes, you made a statement, clearly on purpose, for the intent of trolling. Mrk nor anyone else called the GTX 480/580 a...



So the game you played was meaningless. Your argument is worthless because it is flawed in context and weighted with bias. And your "example" doesn't accomplish anything constructive.

I'm sad you failed to pick up on the extremely obvious and heavy sarcasm I was laying out in my attempt to make a very valid point: previous gen x2 cards have traditionally outperformed high end next gen parts. Given that the gtx580 isn't even truly a next gen part since it's a tweaked GF100 on the same node as the current "last gen", I figured the shocking news that AMD's current best gpu working in a pair can outperform Nvidia's current best GPU working alone by 10% is, in fact, NOT shocking.

So, actually, I further illustrate my previous point (that I was originally joking about): the hd5870, AMD's best single GPU, cannot beat Nvidia's previous x2 part that was made on an inferior manufacturing process. It's funny how easily this is ignored or how people attempt to invalidate this piece of fact. And given that I see you decided to not read my first post in this thread, which may (or may not, given your ability to read into context clues) have given you my unbiased take on the situation.

...........of two AMD gpu's! Hurray for comparisons! When AMD came out with the 5x00 cards, I don't ever once recall thinking "a 5870 at 40nm can't even beat a 10 month old 55nm gtx295" but whatever. Anyways, ~10% performance difference for $200 less between the initial prices of both cards 10 months apart. That's a much more accurate comparison, IMO.
 
Wow...talk about fanboys. Please quit poisoning every single thread that are meant to inform the rest of us about the latest and greatest from NV and ATI.
 
You missed, the 580 doesnt rely on driver profiles for performance, doesnt have the memory limitation of the 5970 and has better tessellation performance (for when thats important)...oh and the usual stuff..CUDA, Phyx, decent linux support etc and the option of a 2nd card...LOL


If anything you said was actually true, I wouldn't need to clean my monitor.

1. Fact Nvidia has optimized drivers and are the most fanatical game testing company around.

2.Tesselation performance today won't matter tommorow as next gen hardware will be different anyways.

3. Linux support. LOL they don't have anything worth talking about.
 
Thats about average. 4870x2 and 5870 , 3870x2 , 4890. It ususally take more then a year. Nvidia's high end gpu's seem to competing with themselves.
It takes 2 AMD gpu's to = 1 of Nvidia's.

How does the 5870 compare to the 5970?

...........of two AMD gpu's! Hurray for comparisons! When AMD came out with the 5x00 cards, I don't ever once recall thinking "a 5870 at 40nm can't even beat a 10 month old 55nm gtx295" but whatever. Anyways, ~10% performance difference for $200 less between the initial prices of both cards 10 months apart. That's a much more accurate comparison, IMO.

Sad it takes a dual amd card to beat nvidias single gpu. If there was a 495 no one would even mention the 5970


Just a request... this whole 'horsepower per liter' style arguement is meaningless. We all know a single fast GPU has certain advantages over two slower GPU's. But, for some people, if the price is right and absolute performance (assuming the two GPU card is faster) is what is important, then it doesn't matter how that performance is made.

It's like saying the GTX480 was sucked because it needed so much more silicon or 384 bit memory to pass up the 5870. Who cares?

The 5970 has some legitimate issues due to being a dual GPU set up that make it not right for everyone. Likewise the GTX480 had some heat and noise issues that made it not right for some people despite it being a single GPU. But claiming that AMD needs two GPU's to be faster than the GTX580 (or Nvidia needs an additional 60% silicon or whatever it is to beat a 5870) just doesn't add anything relevant to the conversation in my opinion.
 
Wow this thread...Anyways the GTX 580 is a better buy than the 5970 but the 5970 was not released yesterday, it's been here for a long time and people that bought it before have no regrets because their card is still technically the fastest card on the market.

As for the OP, you need to stop living in extremes especially with such a volatile market as the GPU market. One day AMD is on top the next day nVidia is on top, best thing to do is go to bed....with both of them.
 
And of course, you miss the entire point of this exercise, intentionally or otherwise. You seem to be quite unaware, that the sole reason you took his post as trolling, was because of your very own position of bias. Can't cast the bias card when you live by it as well. Doesn't work. And as evidence of this bias, is the glaring absence of any bias accusation from you toward MrK6's post which Tviceman quoted. Dude I mean c'mon. Don't you think anybody picks up on these things?

Nope, I didn't miss anything contrary to what you think. I think both you, and him, missed what I was saying entirely. Your argument is so fallacious.

Can't cast the bias card when you live by it as well.

You're kidding, right? I don't live by my biases. I am completely aware of them, unlike you assume. Although I can't fault you for this mistake as most people are controlled by their biases. Regardless that doesn't mean a person can't make observations as I have done, and it alone isn't enough to invalidate anything.

And as evidence of this bias, is the glaring absence of any bias accusation from you toward MrK6's post which Tviceman quoted.

That isn't evidence at all. I wasn't concerning myself with MrK's statement, only with tviceman's statement, which is quite frankly technically more offensive.

I'm sad you failed to pick up on the extremely obvious and heavy sarcasm I was laying out in my attempt to make a very valid point: previous gen x2 cards have traditionally outperformed high end next gen parts. Given that the gtx580 isn't even truly a next gen part since it's a tweaked GF100 on the same node as the current "last gen", I figured the shocking news that AMD's current best gpu working in a pair can outperform Nvidia's current best GPU working alone by 10% is, in fact, NOT shocking.

So, actually, I further illustrate my previous point (that I was originally joking about): the hd5870, AMD's best single GPU, cannot beat Nvidia's previous x2 part that was made on an inferior manufacturing process. It's funny how easily this is ignored or how people attempt to invalidate this piece of fact. And given that I see you decided to not read my first post in this thread, which may (or may not, given your ability to read into context clues) have given you my unbiased take on the situation.

Nope I picked up on it (sarcasm) indeed. Acknowledge the entirety of my post. I kept it brief and succinct for a purpose. Coincidently, my point is the conclusion of my post: "And your "example" doesn't accomplish anything constructive." This meaning the (your) post is bait, plain and simple, concerning or not concerning your intentions.

And I chuckle yet again. I did read your first post, but I wasn't addressing it at all. My aim was simply at the post you had just made, hence why it's the only one I quoted.

Now should I go ahead and question your ability to read into context clues, too? Or do you have a better argument than unwarranted personal insults? If I recall correctly, that should be an infraction.
 
Ding , ding, ding, we have a winner folks
It's very hard to present a case that a dual GPU with the same performance as a single GPU is a better option, regardless of which company is selling which product. That being said the 5970 is practically on it's way out and replacement card is on the way in. Once again I will say this, If you buy a card today, pick-up a GTX 580 it's awesome, but 10 months ago you had no choice but to go with a 5970.
 
It's very hard to present a case that a dual GPU with the same performance as a single GPU is a better option, regardless of which company is selling which product.

That's not the case however. The 5970 is faster than the 580 in the vast majority of games and not by an unnoticeable amount either. The 5970 is currently selling for less than the 580 and has lower power consumption. It's not even remotely difficult to recommend a 5970 over a 580. The only people who say the 580 is a "hands down" choice between the two have an agenda.
 
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Bizarre way of thinking. I realize you're pushing an agenda, but... doesn't x-fire 6870 wipe the floor with the 580?

That being said, for the same price the 580 is the way to go these days. I think people who own 5970's should be happy with performance, and people who get them for $250 on ebay should be very happy. But the 580 gives you the option of SLI down the line. 2 5970's do not scale that well.

This was [H]s conclusion also.
 
Ding , ding, ding, we have a winner folks


True, at least for a few weeks.

I haven't really seen (or understand) any hard proof in either direction wether GTX580 is binned GF100 or actually is a newly designed chip called gf100.

I know nvidia claims it is a new chip. They claim 520mm2 versus 529mm2 (1.9% difference)

To my understanding all the rest of the specs agree with gf100 although FP16 was cut on the gaming cards.

Nvidia claims to have improved the chip power performance but this has clearly been shown to be only based on power regulation. The chip is as hungry as before.

I understand all have their opinion, and that is ok. But is there any reall proof for either or neither?
 
Just a request... this whole 'horsepower per liter' style arguement is meaningless. We all know a single fast GPU has certain advantages over two slower GPU's. But, for some people, if the price is right and absolute performance (assuming the two GPU card is faster) is what is important, then it doesn't matter how that performance is made.

It's like saying the GTX480 was sucked because it needed so much more silicon or 384 bit memory to pass up the 5870. Who cares?

The 5970 has some legitimate issues due to being a dual GPU set up that make it not right for everyone. Likewise the GTX480 had some heat and noise issues that made it not right for some people despite it being a single GPU. But claiming that AMD needs two GPU's to be faster than the GTX580 (or Nvidia needs an additional 60% silicon or whatever it is to beat a 5870) just doesn't add anything relevant to the conversation in my opinion.

Performance is always per something. Some, as you say may focus on performance/chip.
Many wants to also see the siblings: performance/price, performance/power, performance/noice, performance/mm2, performance/card, performance/resolution, and performance/Tess, AA, Physx or whatever.

There would not be possible to have any relevant technical discussion without them.

Which one is most important?
Depends on person and situation.
 
Pointless thread is pointless

The 5970 has horrible xfire scaling to begin with, if you wanna go dual card, 2x 6850 makes much more sense

And for people saying die size etc doesnt matter... LOL! That is the reason AMD is able to come out with high end dual gpu cards and Nvidia is not... Not AMDs fault Nvidia chose to go that way and now cant take the performance crown even a year later

We all know if the roles were reversed, Nvidia fanboys would be touting dual gpu cards as the 2nd coming of Jesus

Well, didnt Nvidias roadmap show a dual gpu card in Q1 2011? That will make everyone happy, 6990 vs 590
 
It takes 2 AMD gpu's to = 1 of Nvidia's.

Yeah, AMD would be in a lot of trouble if nvidia had a dual 580 GPU card.

I wonder why nvidia doesn't have one? Oh right, the 580 is already pushing the limits of power with a single GPU.

Apparently it takes 2 AMD GPUs to equal the power consumption of 1 of nvidia's. Not exactly a negative when you look at it that way.
 
The 5970 is a better choice. It is cheaper, has better performance, and can run 3 monitors off of the single card. And it has the horsepower to do it. It's the perfect product to get into multi-monitor atm.

Nvidia fanboys should take a day off. Multi GPU rigs have not had any major problems for ages, there is no reason not to recommend one when the price and performance are better. If I recall correctly, most of the people touting the non-existent advantages the 580 has are guilty of recommending SLI in the past. Did multi-gpu suddenly get worse? No? Then buy a 5970 cheap while you can.

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That's not the case however. The 5970 is faster than the 580 in the vast majority of games and not by an unnoticeable amount either. The 5970 is currently selling for less than the 580 and has lower power consumption. It's not even remotely difficult to recommend a 5970 over a 580. The only people who say the 580 is a "hands down" choice between the two have an agenda.


All these things are true. The real potential of the 5970 is shown with overclocking. ATI built this card with a knod and a wink to fit in the PCIE power envelope. If you can support the power requirements and bump it to stock 5870 clocks its a very bad man.
 
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