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GeForce GTX 580 vs. Radeon HD 5970 2GB

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notty22 said:
The products are made by two different companies, its not like they behave the same, beyond they both use 2 gpu's.
Its like saying every single gpu ,performs the same.

Also the fanboys did not write all the articles featuring/praising GTX 460 SLI in many different comparisons with other cards. Which is why it was talked about alot. I believe one of them , was comparisons with the 5970.

The release of the dual gpu AMD card is pushed to sometime in 2011. The 6970, might 🙂 come out on the 12/13 .
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Im surprised you didnt post the XFX 5970.
 
zerocool84 said:
Only took Nvidia a year to get close to the performance............
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Thats about average. 4870x2 and 5870 , 3870x2 , 4890. It ususally take more then a year. Nvidia's high end gpu's seem to competing with themselves.
It takes 2 AMD gpu's to = 1 of Nvidia's.

How does the 5870 compare to the 5970?
 
Aristotelian said:
Shhh! The only time overclocking is relevant in a benchmark is when stock AMD cards go up against overclocked Nvidia cards, or did you miss the memo?
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Why are you bringing up overclocking?, its not mentioned in the thread, or are you trying to have a go at Anandtech?, didnt Ryan then do OC AMD cards against stock NV?, I thought you were over thread crapping and trolling by fanboys? Has someone else signed in under your name?
 
SlowSpyder said:
The 5970 is a year old, end of life, and cheaper than the GTX580. It comes with all the negatives of a dual GPU set up, so this is not too surprising. What is surprising is how when the GTX460 SLI set up was touted here by some members, none of the dual GPU short comings were an issue then. Now with the 5970 vs. GTX580, multi-GPU issues suddenly are worth talking about...
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I get your point, but honestly GTX 460 SLI and 6870 CF are targeting different markets than the 5970. Yes, they are price comparable now with a rebate, and a few people will be able to cash in on that deal before stock is gone. However, for the greater portion of its lifetime the 5970 was a high end part that was not a realistic option for people in the GTX 460 and 6870 market segment.

zerocool84 said:
Only took Nvidia a year to get close to the performance............
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Nothing really new here. It's generally the case that it takes until the next generation for a single gpu to get close to dual gpu performance.

Even NV's dominant 8-series single gpu cards couldn't beat the 3870 X2. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2428/3

Considering that GF110 is a tweak of GF100 on the same process node, it's pretty much what one would expect.
 
SolMiester said:
Wow, 5 cards + your gaming rig?...that is just an outrageous splurged of money...Im so jealous, surely your not married!
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Divorced. I'm in my early 40's and living it up, dude...😉 (but don't be jealous, i get my share of pain too)
 
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zerocool84 said:
Only took Nvidia a year to get close to the performance............
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...........of two AMD gpu's! Hurray for comparisons! When AMD came out with the 5x00 cards, I don't ever once recall thinking "a 5870 at 40nm can't even beat a 10 month old 55nm gtx295" but whatever. Anyways, ~10% performance difference for $200 less between the initial prices of both cards 10 months apart. That's a much more accurate comparison, IMO.
 
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SolMiester said:
Why are you bringing up overclocking?, its not mentioned in the thread, or are you trying to have a go at Anandtech?, didnt Ryan then do OC AMD cards against stock NV?, I thought you were over thread crapping and trolling by fanboys? Has someone else signed in under your name?
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I quoted the wrong post, my mistake and sorry for the confusion. That response was meant with respect to this post:

Skurge said:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_gtx580/6.htm

I'll just leave this here.
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Overclocking was linked to in the thread, and I referred to it because it was already brought up. So I didn't bring it up. I wasn't having a go at anyone really, and I thought for once instead of a wall of text I'd go for a two liner post. I was joking (using Skurge's post) that we aren't meant to look at apples to apples benchmarks unless it favours Nvidia (and in that gaming benchmark it clearly didn't).

There's nothing to get over here, the 580 is (on my view) a superior card on the whole to the 5970, I was merely playing off the attempt at baiting done in the OP ("chew on this").
 
Jdawg84 said:
Sad it takes a dual amd card to beat nvidias single gpu. If there was a 495 no one would even mention the 5970
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Sweet-spot strategy was never about fastest single gpu, maybe the 6970 onwards is the start of the challenge for the title. 495 does not exist for a reason
 
Jdawg84 said:
Sad it takes a dual amd card to beat nvidias single gpu. If there was a 495 no one would even mention the 5970
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Yeah, a year later. Sad you have to compare NVIDIA's hardware to AMD's from a year ago to get competitive performance? This line of reasoning makes no sense, the 5970 wasn't even meant to compete with the GTX 580.

The lot of you should wait for the 6970 to be released before you start your fanboy mudslinging. Then it will at least have some basis.
 
solofly said:
Chew on this...



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/14/geforce_gtx_580_vs_radeon_hd_5970_2gb_performance/1
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J/K 🙂

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Same scenario from a year ago. GTX 295 was a little faster than a 5870 and now its the other way, 5970 is a little faster than GTX 580.

With that said i prefer the GTX 580. Cant wait for the 6970 so i can decide which one to get.
 
MrK6 said:
Yeah, a year later. Sad you have to compare NVIDIA's hardware to AMD's from a year ago to get competitive performance? This line of reasoning makes no sense, the 5970 wasn't even meant to compete with the GTX 580.

The lot of you should wait for the 6970 to be released before you start your fanboy mudslinging. Then it will at least have some basis.
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Man if it's so bad Nvidia's single best GPU can't beat AMD's fastest two GPU's put together when everything is being manufactured on the same node process, that must mean AMD's fastest single GPU (hd5870) was a real piece of junk since it was a 40nm part and couldn't even beat the 10 month old 55nm gtx295.

Huh. See what I did there? Perspective.
 
Aristotelian said:
I quoted the wrong post, my mistake and sorry for the confusion. That response was meant with respect to this post:



Overclocking was linked to in the thread, and I referred to it because it was already brought up. So I didn't bring it up. I wasn't having a go at anyone really, and I thought for once instead of a wall of text I'd go for a two liner post. I was joking (using Skurge's post) that we aren't meant to look at apples to apples benchmarks unless it favours Nvidia (and in that gaming benchmark it clearly didn't).

There's nothing to get over here, the 580 is (on my view) a superior card on the whole to the 5970, I was merely playing off the attempt at baiting done in the OP ("chew on this").
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ok...i got ya!
 
tviceman said:
Man if it's so bad Nvidia's single best GPU can't beat AMD's fastest two GPU's put together when everything is being manufactured on the same node process, that must mean AMD's fastest single GPU (hd5870) was a real piece of junk since it was a 40nm part and couldn't even beat the 10 month old 55nm gtx295.

Huh. See what I did there? Perspective.
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(Thank you, happy medium)
 
tviceman said:
Man if it's so bad Nvidia's single best GPU can't beat AMD's fastest two GPU's put together when everything is being manufactured on the same node process, that must mean AMD's fastest single GPU (hd5870) was a real piece of junk since it was a 40nm part and couldn't even beat the 10 month old 55nm gtx295.

Huh. See what I did there? Perspective.
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Looking at how profitable the GPU division is I think AMD's strategy of price point vrs performance is working. To be fiar the 5970 gpu chips are fiarly downclocked and have been shown to be absolute monsters clocked to stock 5870 speeds and incredable at 5870 Overclocks.

the gtx580 is a good card in its own right.

buy what you like.
 
If you guys keep comparing situations, you need to look both at the similarities and differences.

Yes, the 5970 is a dual-gpu like the GTX295, while the GTX580 is a single gpu like the 5870.

Both the 5970 and the GTX295 are slightly faster than the newer GTX580 and the 5870.

Additionally the 5870 was also beaten by the 4870x2.

The 5870 was cheaper than both the 4870x2 and GTX295. It was also DX11 vs DX10 and consumed much less power than either.

The GTX580 is more expensive than the 5970 and consumes about the same power or more. Both are DX11.

And for those that might say the 5870 was a piece of junk since it didn't beat the GTX295 and talking about nodes and stuff, the 5870 is 336mm^2 vs the 940mm^2 of the GTX295. The GTX580 is 520mm^2 vs 672mm^2 of the 5970.

Of course compared to more current AMD GPUs the 5970 isn't particularly good - 2 6870 at 510mm^2 are quite faster, but no dual Barts card exist so we will never know.
 
cusideabelincoln said:
Yes, you made a statement, clearly on purpose, for the intent of trolling. Mrk nor anyone else called the GTX 480/580 a...



So the game you played was meaningless. Your argument is worthless because it is flawed in context and weighted with bias. And your "example" doesn't accomplish anything constructive.
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And of course, you miss the entire point of this exercise, intentionally or otherwise. You seem to be quite unaware, that the sole reason you took his post as trolling, was because of your very own position of bias. Can't cast the bias card when you live by it as well. Doesn't work. And as evidence of this bias, is the glaring absence of any bias accusation from you toward MrK6's post which Tviceman quoted. Dude I mean c'mon. Don't you think anybody picks up on these things?
 
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Actually the 6990 should be ~ twice as fast as a gtx580 or 6970, am I right? The 5970 should have been 2x faster then the gtx480 also.
 
depends on how the drivers and game are coded and we don't even know what the performance metrics of the coming cards are.

Lets all try to reserve judgement till we get the official scoop.
 
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