Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Sweepr]

Im with you, better DX-12 performance today

Average of 6 DirectX 12 games: Radeon RX 480 a mere 1% faster than Geforce GTX 980. So yes, if it matches Geforce GTX 980 it will be faster overall and very close in DirectX 12.

Optimized for AMD Radeon Graphics
Ashes of the Singularity by Stardock and Oxide Games
Total War: WARHAMMER by Creative Assembly
Battlezone VR by Rebellion
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided by Eidos-Montréal
Nitrous Engine by Oxide Games

www.comptoir-hardware.com/articles/cartes-graphiques/31854-test-radeon-rx480.html?start=15

 

[Sweepr]

The Fire Strike Ultra GPU score is ~60% that of a Geforce GTX 1080.

Right at GTX 980 speed (within 2%):

Given that the 980 is ~11% faster than the RX 480 on average, and only losing in Hitman, my prediction was spot on and you were way off Glo.

So a 1280/80/48 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GP106 (192 GB/s) @ 4.35 TFLOPS is matching a 2048/128/64 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GM204 (224GB/s) @ 5 TFLOPs. There goes the lower IPC myth.

I'd love to see a $250 price point for the 6gb, but who are we kidding here. It's going to be $279-299, with $299 being a bit of a slap in the face.

It was listed in China for the same price as reference Radeon RX480 8GB. It would be a killer card at $249 but I'm not holding my breath either, unless that's AIB pricing and FE costs $279-299.

 

[krumme]

Average of 6 DirectX 12 games: Radeon RX 480 a mere 1% faster than Geforce GTX 980. So yes, if it matches Geforce GTX 980 it will be faster overall and very close in DirectX 12.



www.comptoir-hardware.com/articles/cartes-graphiques/31854-test-radeon-rx480.html?start=15

I will gladly take a bet on this.
In one year looking back of the comming clean dx12 games 480 will spank a 980 10-20% and on average be faster than 1060. Before next summer. From 1 to 3 years it will just expand the lead further.
Whats your guess?

 

[Sweepr]

I will gladly take a bet on this.
In one year looking back of the comming clean dx12 games 480 will spank a 980 10-20% and on average be faster than 1060. Before next summer. From 1 to 3 years it will just expand the lead further.
Whats your guess?

My guess is those with Geforce GTX 1060 will be happy to run most games faster on average at lower power (if Geforce GTX980-like performance and 120W TDP is true) until then, especially if they don't have to pay much more than a Radeon RX 480 8GB costs. Another guess: those that opt for Geforce GTX 1060 probably known which titles they're interested and that might not include (half baked) DX12 ports.

 

[Thala]

So a 1280/80/48 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GP106 (192 GB/s) @ 4.35 TFLOPS is matching a 2048/128/64 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GM204 (224GB/s) @ 5 TFLOPs.

Indeed, would be nice efficiency improvement. Of course that's assuming the GPU was really at 1.7GHz frequency (and not higher) when running the benchmark.

 

[LTC8K6]

I will gladly take a bet on this.
In one year looking back of the comming clean dx12 games 480 will spank a 980 10-20% and on average be faster than 1060. Before next summer. From 1 to 3 years it will just expand the lead further.
Whats your guess?

I guess that NV and AMD will both improve the drivers for their new cards quite a bit, and basically maintain their positions.

Both mfgs older cards will fade into the background pretty quickly.

 

[frozentundra123456]

IDK, I would just take the card with the performance/features/power use I want now. It is not like these are 700.00 cards that one is going to try to keep for 3 to 5 years. In a couple of years, it is easily upgrade time again. I guess I just dont see the point of buying a low/midrange card based on what the performance "might" be in 2 years.

That said, the big weakness of the 1060 that I see is not some possible gains by AMD in DX 12, but the vram. I might consider 3gb in a 150.00 1050, but for the 1060 over 200.00, it is pretty much a non-starter. And I think the 6gb model will be considerably more expensive than the 480.

I am waiting for final benchmarks, but to me the cards will be a toss up. Just buy what you want, dont worry so much over 10 or 20 dollars or a few FPS. Or spend so much energy bashing the card of one company or the other.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I guess I just dont see the point of buying a low/midrange card based on what the performance "might" be in 2 years.

Many can't afford buying more expensive cards or buy every two years. You have your AMD card for how long now??? I still have my 7970 and since it still provides solid performance at 1080p, i find your observation a bit odd.

Lots of people want cheap but good performing cards and if the card still performs reasonably well in two years, it's a bonus.

How many still rock their GTX 760 or Radeon HD7950?? Quite a few i bet

 

[Thala]

Indeed, would be nice efficiency improvement. Of course that's assuming the GPU was really at 1.7GHz frequency (and not higher) when running the benchmark.

To elaborate more on this, quick calculation shows that if we are assuming 1886MHz (which is boost clock of GTX1080 FE) instead of 1700MHz for GTX1060 the efficiency gain would be close to zero compared with GTX980.

 

[krumme]

My guess is those with Geforce GTX 1060 will be happy to run most games faster on average at lower power (if Geforce GTX980-like performance and 120W TDP is true) until then, especially if they don't have to pay much more than a Radeon RX 480 8GB costs. Another guess: those that opt for Geforce GTX 1060 probably known which titles they're interested and that might not include (half baked) DX12 ports.

That answer sounds to me like how a nv PR person or politician would answer it.
"Happy" desktop users save 30w? I mean 30w in a desktop ?? For "not much more money" whatever that is.

You can disagree about my guess. Fair. Its just guessing based on my assesment on historic development. 50M plus consoles and 6M polaris sony consoles expected this autum. But its a guess on performance and can certainly be wrong. Instead of this marketing nonsense you can say. Dont know. Doesnt matter. Lower higher same. All legit answers because its just guesswork.

In my view yor answer is like you are selling the card to people in this forum. But we are people with insight and brain. We are not "happy" sheeps that is manipulated.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Many can't afford buying more expensive cards or buy every two years. You have your AMD card for how long now??? I still have my 7970 and since it still provides solid performance at 1080p, i find your observation a bit odd.

Lots of people want cheap but good performing cards and if the card still performs reasonably well in two years, it's a bonus.

How many still rock their GTX 760 or Radeon HD7950?? Quite a few i bet

I still use a 6950, and a i7-920:$. Actually plays what I want well at 1080, but then I'm not into shooters much.. I do want a quiter, lower TDP card for my new build. Something that can last me as longs as this one would be a plus, so I for one find this discussion of which card will "age" better interesting.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I still use a 6950, and a i7-920:$. Actually plays what I want well at 1080, but then I'm not into shooters much.. I do want a quiter, lower TDP card for my new build. Something that can last me as longs as this one would be a plus, so I for one find this discussion of which card will "age" better interesting.

Thanks obidamnkenobi, you're proof that us mortals do use their GPU's for a long time

 

[Sweepr]

That answer sounds to me like how a nv PR person or politician would answer it.

Keep on your callouts and personal attacks, I won't bite.

50M plus consoles and 6M polaris sony consoles expected this autum.

Great for Sony/Microsoft. Wait, is this the console forum?

But its a guess on performance and can certainly be wrong. Instead of this marketing nonsense you can say. Dont know. Doesnt matter. Lower higher same. All legit answers because its just guesswork.

I know it's just guesswork on your part (last post):

In one year looking back of the comming clean dx12 games 480 will spank a 980 10-20% and on average be faster than 1060. Before next summer. From 1 to 3 years it will just expand the lead further.

In my view yor answer is like you are selling the card to people in this forum. But we are people with insight and brain. We are not "happy" sheeps that is manipulated

Let's recap, last post:

Whats your guess?

Since most reviews show Geforce GTX 980 faster than Radeon RX 480 on average, so would Geforce GTX 1060 if it matches it. If that sounds like 'selling the card' to you, then don't bother asking people for their opinion.

 

[krumme]

IDK, I would just take the card with the performance/features/power use I want now. It is not like these are 700.00 cards that one is going to try to keep for 3 to 5 years. In a couple of years, it is easily upgrade time again. I guess I just dont see the point of buying a low/midrange card based on what the performance "might" be in 2 years.

That said, the big weakness of the 1060 that I see is not some possible gains by AMD in DX 12, but the vram. I might consider 3gb in a 150.00 1050, but for the 1060 over 200.00, it is pretty much a non-starter. And I think the 6gb model will be considerably more expensive than the 480.

I am waiting for final benchmarks, but to me the cards will be a toss up. Just buy what you want, dont worry so much over 10 or 20 dollars or a few FPS. Or spend so much energy bashing the card of one company or the other.

I dont think people with 200usd cards change more often than those with 600usd card.
Actually i think its opposite because enthusiast wants the fastest and that nessesitates a new card every second year at least. Do we have any survey of that btw?

 

[PhonakV30]

2011 ) HD7970 vs GTX 580 ==> Tomshardware : AMD Radeon HD 7970 review
2012 ) HD7970 vs GTX 680 ==> TPU Point of View TGT GTX 680 Ultra Charged LLS 4 GB
2013 ) HD7970 vs GTX 770 TPU MSI GTX 770 Lightning 2 GB
2015 ) HD7970 vs GTX 960 TPU EVGA GTX 960 SSC 2 GB
2016 ) HD7970 vs GTX 1050 to be continued

HD7970 Is Still alive! That's why I'm going to buy Rx 480 rather than GTX 1060

 

[Gikaseixas]

Since most reviews show Geforce GTX 980 faster than Radeon RX 480 on average, so would Geforce GTX 1060 if it matches it. If that sounds like 'selling the card' to you, then don't bother asking people for their opinion.

You both should wait for the card to be launched. Nobody knows which faster. Repeat after me, let it sink and then repeat again.

 

[krumme]

Since most reviews show Geforce GTX 980 faster than Radeon RX 480 on average, so would Geforce GTX 1060 if it matches it. If that sounds like 'selling the card' to you, then don't bother asking people for their opinion.

Well that wasnt the answer to the question was it?
How is it possible not to answer my question but instead do a lot of divertion?
My take is you actually fairly agree on my estimates about dx12 perf. But no way is it possible for you to write so.

 

[tviceman]

Here you are not up-to-date. If we are going by computerbase.de, who got the driver which fixed the PCIe bandwidth bug you get following results:

980 is 4% faster than RX480,
RX480 wins against GTX980 in:

- Ashes of Singularity
- Call of Duty Black Ops 3
- Hitman
- Just Cause 3
- The Division
- The Witcher 3

Out of these only Hitman and Ashes are DX12. It is safe to assume none of these games made it on NVidias list, which led to the 15% faster claim.

In any case, nice performance of GTX1060, inline with early expectations of around GTX980 performance.

On the sites I used (TPU, anandtech, hardocp, hardwarecanucks, techspot) RX 480 gets spanked in Witcher 3 and The Division while still losing in all those other benchmarks except BLOPS 3. AOTS is essentially a draw among all the sites I use with some showing the 980 being faster, others showing RX 480 being faster, but all close to one another.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1198-amd-radeon-rx-480/page5.html
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1716?vs=1748
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/20.html

So thanks for the correction - the only two benchmarks RX 480 will win in is Hitman and BLOPS 3. Everything else will either sometimes be "too close to call" or, more commonly, GTX 980/GTX 1060 will win decisively like in the Divison, Mirror's Edge, Witcher 3, Just Cause 3, GTA V, ROTR, Crysis 3, BF Star Wars, etc....

 

[krumme]

You both should wait for the card to be launched. Nobody knows which faster. Repeat after me, let it sink and then repeat again.

Well and as value is key also cost. It does matter if its 240 or 290 for the 6gb. We dont know what it will cost in retail.

 

[Arachnotronic]

GTX 1060 apparent pricing. 1999 RMB -> $299 USD. Same as RX 480 apparently.

 

[Thala]

On the sites I used (TPU, anandtech, hardocp, hardwarecanucks, techspot) RX 480 gets spanked in Witcher 3 and The Division while still losing in all those other benchmarks except BLOPS 3

The driver bug, which limits performance was discovered 1 day before NDA deadline. I know of only computerbase.de which re-run all! benchmarks with the fixed driver within single day. TPU, Anandtech, hardocp etc. all used the buggy 16.6.2 driver in their review. Essentially you are basing your argument on out-dated information.

 

[Mopetar]

GTX 1060 apparent pricing. 1999 RMB -> $299 USD. Same as RX 480 apparently.

RX 480 starts at $199, and it's $240 for the 8 GB version. Did you make a typo?

 

[sirmo]

The Fire Strike Ultra GPU score is
So a 1280/80/48 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GP106 (192 GB/s) @ 4.35 TFLOPS is matching a 2048/128/64 (SPs/TMUs/ROPs) GM204 (224GB/s) @ 5 TFLOPs. There goes the lower IPC myth.

I literally have no clue what you're basing your conclusions on. Did the 1060 benchmarks come out yet?

 

[krumme]

GTX 1060 apparent pricing. 1999 RMB -> $299 USD. Same as RX 480 apparently.

Well that is nice.
Its a huge market.
85% is between 100 and 300. The rest is over or under. Its a very important card.
In europe the prices is higher so a lot of 960 is sold.

 

[Arachnotronic]

RX 480 starts at $199, and it's $240 for the 8 GB version. Did you make a typo?

Check this out:

Yesterday afternoon, RX 480 8GB version in the domestic price officially announced, and its final price is 1999 yuan , Jingdong has opened the sale, will begin shipping from July 1.

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/487/487454.htm (use Google Translate)