Excellent! Faster than 480 confirmed, let me just look at the independent benchmarks and reviews....oh, I see after the 480 hype experience the main thing we've learned is that single marketing slides can be trusted and taken as facts. The AIB 480s are pretty much guaranteed to raise the bar for what the 480 represents performance wise as well so that 15% advantage (if it's true) could well shrink further when they release.
It might well prove to be faster than the 480, we'll know soon enough if the NDA does lift in a week. Pricing and availability are going to be key though. Here 480s are actually available to buy at very reasonable prices, I sincerely hope for the sake of competition the 1060 doesn't follow the 1070/80 and end up being technically available but only at laughable prices.
It might well prove to be faster than the 480, we'll know soon enough if the NDA does lift in a week. Pricing and availability are going to be key though. Here 480s are actually available to buy at very reasonable prices, I sincerely hope for the sake of competition the 1060 doesn't follow the 1070/80 and end up being technically available but only at laughable prices.
It's going to be more than the 480. The 6 GB is going to be at least $250, probably $275.
Releasing it soon instead of later is only going to make the supply issues for all models that much worse though.
Releasing it soon instead of later is only going to make the supply issues for all models that much worse though.
Not really, it's more like 970 in DX11 and 980 in DX12. The 480 might be faster in Hitman but that might be an outlier. We'll have to see how close the 1060 is to the 980 though.
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Would love to get a 1060 but why do I get a feeling it will be 350-430 euro :sneaky:. Than the question is the % gap big enough to not get a 480X and the power consumption bills. Maby at least some competition at some price point ,...
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Personally I don't care if it's slower in AMD Evolved titles:
If you want to play these games a little bit better you can buy a Radeon RX 480. I'd rather have Geforce GTX 980 overall performance (if they deliver that) at 120W TDP.
BenchLife's article was very confusing TBH. I'm starting to think Geforce GTX 1060 comes with 6GB and Geforce GTX 1050 Ti (?) gets 3GB/6GB models.
It's NVIDIA's word, we will know soon enough if it's true. I see you are already assuming it can't match a Radeon RX 480 outside of the likes of 'Project Cars' as well.
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There are also Microsoft titles like Gearwars and the whole Xbox - Windows 10 deal Microsoft is pushing that will likely be optimized for GCN..
I dunno, 1060 just seems like a bad investment when you have an rx480 available. Plus you get Freesync at much lower barrier of entry.
I dunno, 1060 just seems like a bad investment when you have an rx480 available. Plus you get Freesync at much lower barrier of entry.
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I'm having a hard time wrapping the expected performance of 1060 around 3GB of RAM myself, your scenario seems more feasible.
Indeed. If you look at Hardware Canuck's review, at 1440p:
- Geforce GTX 1080 is 68% faster at DX11 titles / 90% faster at DX12 titles (including AotS, Hitman, Quantum Break) than a Geforce GTX 980
- Geforce GTX 1070 is 58% faster at DX11 titles / 98% faster at DX12 titles (including AotS, Hitman, Quantum Break) than a Geforce GTX 970
Considering Radeon RX 480 is 13% slower at DX11 and 9% faster in DX12 (vs Geforce GTX 980) according to Hardware Canucks, Geforce GTX 1060 could very well retain that DX11 advantage while closing the gap in DX12 titles that favour AMD.
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Viewing your sig it looks like even the GTX 1060 would be a waste. You need a full upgrade before considering a gpu upgrade. Can your rig play solitaire even?
On another note the charts look fake too me. Wouldn't nvidia traditional use the GTX 760 or 960 for comparison? Don't they usually target their own user base?
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I already told you it's not my current rig, move along.
Radeon RX 480 got a lot of attention from the press, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's real.
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We can compare Pascal and Polaris directly.. no need for this convoluted Polaris -> Maxwell -> Pascal comparison.
rx480 is 17% slower than 1070, or 1070 is 22% faster than rx480.
1060 has 32% less Tflops than 1070.. or 1070 has 47% more.
Also consider narrower memory bus on 1060 compared to rx480 and 1070, I think rx480 will easily trunce 1060 in DX12 and generally future games.
edit: on DX11 they should be close.. 1070 is about 50% faster than rx480.. I think AIB to AIB this gap is smaller, because 1070s reference cooler is better than rx480 reference cooler, also 1070 isn't as power limited. When they are both on good cooling rx480 closes the gap a bit.
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Actually we do need it, otherwise we end up with...
Comparisons and assumptions based on a single title known to be AMD optimized (while Hardware Canucks averages four DX12 titles).
Adding to this, TFLOPS don't translate real world performance. Geforce GTX 1080 has 42% more processing power but it's only 21% faster than Geforce GTX 1070.
I'm sure most gamers can live with a few % slower than Radeon RX 480 in AMD's DX12 titles as long as its just as fast or faster everywhere else at lower power, especially if it's priced right.
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I purposely chose warhammer because it's the least AMD biased of them.. I could have chosen any of the other ones and the situation would have been worse. Not counting ROTR because that's not a real DX12 game, according to developer themselves.
It is also not a "tech demo" it's a popular title. And we will definitely see a lot of future games like it.
Tflpops don't scale well at the top end due to CPU and other bottlenecks but can be good enough comparing mid tier cards of similar architecture.
Er... the 3GB is rumored for 250 dollars.... so the 6 GB could go easily to 325.
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Just to add to my point above.. I looked at Tflop performance scaling between gtx960 and gtx 970
And it looks to be spot on:
1664 vs 1024 Cuda cores 970 and 960
1178Mhz boost clock both
This gives us 3.9 and 2.4 Tflops respectively
Which translates to 970 being 63% faster. And the benchmarks confirm it:
it looks like 1060 will be more of a competitor to rx470 in terms of performance going forward.
And it looks to be spot on:
1664 vs 1024 Cuda cores 970 and 960
1178Mhz boost clock both
This gives us 3.9 and 2.4 Tflops respectively
Which translates to 970 being 63% faster. And the benchmarks confirm it:
it looks like 1060 will be more of a competitor to rx470 in terms of performance going forward.
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curious to see how this compares to the 970. I upgraded from 960 to 970 like a month before the 10xx series was announced 
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I wonder if you deliberately misread my statement. In contrast to you i did not assume anything based on NVidias word. I rather consider it likely, that they used a very favorable set of benchmarks in their mix. Project cars just served as example.
In any case, we will know soon enough...still we are seeing the claim in the threads headline as if it were fact.
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You should have checked the driver version. 6.6.2 is the one with the PCIe bandwidth bug resulting in reduced framerate.
If you must have Nvidia gear, 10xx series cards have x265 & VP9 acceleration, and iirc is going to be compatible with 4k streaming services on PC. If i were you, and i used pc as a htpc a lot, i'd pick & choose one of the newer cards. Any RX 4xx card or any GTX 10xx, whichever works for you.curious to see how this compares to the 970. I upgraded from 960 to 970 like a month before the 10xx series was announced
I don't see them getting GTX980 performance out of a GTX1060. It's literally less than half the cuda cores. Don't forget that the GTX1080 is already clocked and boosted pretty high. The GTX1060 would have to be be clocked higher and boost @ 2000mhz if it wants GTX980 performance based on those leaked specs.
To me, it sounds like the GTX1060 would closer to GTX970 performance than GTX980. Yes, of course the GTX1060 would be faster in games that favor Nvidia than the RX480. I think the RX480 will end up being the perf/$ king this generation.
To me, it sounds like the GTX1060 would closer to GTX970 performance than GTX980. Yes, of course the GTX1060 would be faster in games that favor Nvidia than the RX480. I think the RX480 will end up being the perf/$ king this generation.
That's familiar, reminds me of a certain claim of Radeon R9 390X performance under 100W during gaming for Radeon RX 480 'as if it were fact' before launch.
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What does this have to do with 1060?
You still need to admit few if any of your threads concerning upcoming products carry a [Rumor] tag even though some clearly should.
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