Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Thinker_145]

Just wondering why the thread headline is biased and states that 1060 is faster than rx480 when it's only haft the truth? 1060 faster in dx11 but slower in dx12 games. Guess which ones are more commonly talked in one years time?

Max oc vs max oc the 1060 is 20% faster, that's a pretty big difference if you ask me.

And you do realize budget gamers don't always buy launch games? Many people still have to play lots and lots of DX11 games.

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[golem]

Just wondering why the thread headline is biased and states that 1060 is faster than rx480 when it's only haft the truth? 1060 faster in dx11 but slower in dx12 games. Guess which ones are more commonly talked in one years time?

Isn't there like less than 10 or so dx12 games? Is the rx480 faster in all of them? Are there a lot of dx12 only games coming out in the next year or so or will they will be a mix of both? How do you know that rx480 will be faster in dx12?

Given the information available, the title seems pretty accurate.

 

[Phynaz]

Isn't there like less than 10 or so dx12 games? Is the rx480 faster in all of them? Are there a lot of dx12 only games coming out in the next year or so or will they will be a mix of both? How do you know that rx480 will be faster in dx12?

Given the information available, the title seems pretty accurate.

DX12 is going to be a minuscule part of the gaming market for years. Just look how long it took the earlier versions of DX to become dominant.

 

[jpiniero]

DX12 is going to be a minuscule part of the gaming market for years. Just look how long it took the earlier versions of DX to become dominant.

Seems like most of the big name titles coming out soon will support DX12 or Vulkan. Plus you have MS pushing all things W10 so hard, it's not a stretch to think they will do something to discourage DX11 on XBone; and that might be enough to get devs to drop DX11 completely.

 

[raghu78]

Isn't there like less than 10 or so dx12 games? Is the rx480 faster in all of them? Are there a lot of dx12 only games coming out in the next year or so or will they will be a mix of both? How do you know that rx480 will be faster in dx12?

Given the information available, the title seems pretty accurate.

When someone says Nvidia GTX 1060 is faster than Rx 480 in DX11 is it faster in every game. no . so its the same. on avg across many games GTX 1060 is faster in DX11. Similarly on avg across the available DX12 games Rx 480 is faster. There are enough reviews out there to prove it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Of course it isn't. Why in the world would you think that?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10580/nvidia-releases-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb

Or, maybe you mean that the 1060 3G is "the real 1060," where the 1060 6GB should be the 1060 Ti? nVidia already dropped the ball on that naming, though. So the consumer that is paying any kind of attention basically knows that the 3gb is isn't "a real 1060" now, because it isn't the same card. Simple hardware details, simple facts.

My speculation is that AMD tossing out the 480 at the "$199"/240 prices did force their hand quite a bit, and it's possible that both releases were a bit faster than they wanted them to be, and the branding was a bit off.

Again, anyone paying attention (which should be everyone posting here), understands that the GPU on the 3gb vs the 6gb 1060 are not the same GPUs. Only one of those is "the real 1060," but which is it?

Ok, so what is more pressing to discuss at the moment. The number of cuda cores the 3GB model has, or other? Looks like you all just might want to talk about this some more instead of the performance numbers. So, we can wait til you're ready?

 

[Keysplayr]

When someone says Nvidia GTX 1060 is faster than Rx 480 in DX11 is it faster in every game. no . so its the same. on avg across many games GTX 1060 is faster in DX11. Similarly on avg across the available DX12 games Rx 480 is faster. There are enough reviews out there to prove it.

You could link some. Don't cherry pick. Just link some.

 

[golem]

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When someone says Nvidia GTX 1060 is faster than Rx 480 in DX11 is it faster in every game. no . so its the same. on avg across many games GTX 1060 is faster in DX11. Similarly on avg across the available DX12 games Rx 480 is faster. There are enough reviews out there to prove it.

That doesn't make the title misleading though, across all games GTX 1060 is faster.

 

[raghu78]

You could link some. Don't cherry pick. Just link some.

dude whatever anybody links its not going to change your opinion one bit. so why do you bother. anyway if you still think gtx 1060 is the faster card in dx12 its not a surprise.

http://www.golem.de/news/geforce-gt...ingen-direct3d-12-und-vulkan-1607-122214.html
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/94969-sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-4gb-8gb-oc/?page=9
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/94969-sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-4gb-8gb-oc/?page=12
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...iews/73040-nvidia-gtx-1060-6gb-review-21.html

Quantum break

Hitman

 

[Keysplayr]

See you're both selling a different tune. It's why we need benchmarks and sources.

 

[raghu78]

That doesn't make the title misleading though, across all games GTX 1060 is faster.

dude are you playing 2013-2015 games yeah you could say GTX 1060 is clearly faster. If you look at 2016 AAA games i think its fair to say the Rx 480 is winning more. Some of them by embarassing margins.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016...x_1060_founders_edition_review/4#.V7kV9PkrLIU

oh btw AMD seems to be taking a leaf out of Nvidia's playbook. The majority of upcoming DX12 titles are Gaming Evolved titles - Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Civilization 6. The game test suites of most sites are going to change in the next 6-12 months and they will reflect the transition to DX12/Vulkan.

 

[zinfamous]

Ok, so what is more pressing to discuss at the moment. The number of cuda cores the 3GB model has, or other? Looks like you all just might want to talk about this some more instead of the performance numbers. So, we can wait til you're ready?

goalposts moved. You said it was the same card. I disagreed.

Now you are talking about performance.

 

[mohit9206]

Imagine if AMD hadn't got greedy and that one could buy an RX470 8GB for $200.In that case the 1060 3GB would have been the laughing stock and outside of a few shills,no one would recommend the gimped 1060 3GB over the RX470 8GB.
But since AMD did get greedy and that the best you can do for $200 from AMD is RX470 4GB,due to this price blunder, the 1060 3GB no longer looks like such a bad deal.Its the truth.
So it comes down to whether you want more vram and slightly more futureproof(RX470) or better performance in current titles(1060 3GB).
No one is denying that 1060 3GB isn't memory gimped and vram bottlenecked but poor pricing by AMD has made the decision to buy RX470 4GB or 1060 3GB more tougher than it should have been.

 

[Phynaz]

When someone says Nvidia GTX 1060 is faster than Rx 480 in DX11 is it faster in every game. no . so its the same. on avg across many games GTX 1060 is faster in DX11. Similarly on avg across the available DX12 games Rx 480 is faster. There are enough reviews out there to prove it.

But there aren't enough DX12 games to prove anything. There's a sample size of what, eight maybe? Drawing conclusions about a future two years from now from that small of sample size is foolish.

 

[golem]

dude are you playing 2013-2015 games yeah you could say GTX 1060 is clearly faster. If you look at 2016 AAA games i think its fair to say the Rx 480 is winning more. Some of them by embarassing margins.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016...x_1060_founders_edition_review/4#.V7kV9PkrLIU

oh btw AMD seems to be taking a leaf out of Nvidia's playbook. The majority of upcoming DX12 titles are Gaming Evolved titles - Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Civilization 6. The game test suites of most sites are going to change in the next 6-12 months and they will reflect the transition to DX12/Vulkan.

So the OP should have titled the thread based on games that aren't released yet, going on projections on a sample size of what 5 to 10 games?

Basing anything on Vulkan is even more misleading. It's a sample size of what, one game? Isn't there also talk that Id and Nvidia are still working on optimizing Vulkan for Nvidia's cards?

 

[stuff_me_good]

Show us the sources you are getting your information from, and we'll interpret how you are interpreting them. And also, what would you have for the title of this thread? Thanks.

The direction we are headed with DX12/vulkan performance of rx480 over1060 seem pretty clear to me.


http://www.golem.de/news/geforce-gt...ingen-direct3d-12-und-vulkan-1607-122214.html

 

[Thinker_145]

Remember to add 10% to the 1060 numbers because OC vs OC that's how much it gains!

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[USER8000]

Remember to add 10% to the 1060 numbers because OC vs OC that's how much it gains!

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Meh,my mates GTX960 was a worse overclocker than mine,when we both tried it to see how much we would gain - maximum overclock arguments are not a certain. Also,I know only one person out of dozens of friends who overclocks their graphics card on a permanent basis and he is a hardware enthusiast. I put my card back to what it was.

Also,remember many reviews compare reference RX480 and reference GTX1060 cards,and we all know the reference RX480 tends to have issues with boosting to its max,unlike the AIB cards. The reference GTX1060 is much better in this regard(yes,another meh AMD reference card - when will they ever learn??).

 

[Thinker_145]

There is no great difference between the stock performance of reference and third party 480s.

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[USER8000]

There is no great difference between the stock performance of reference and third party 480s.

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I was seeing one of the comments from the reviewer over on Hexus - they not only tend to preheat cards before benchmarks,but IIRC I remember a while back they tend to run sequences which are not a few seconds. The reviewer mentioned they saw throttling in the cards,which was seen by Hardware.fr where the cards had an average of 1180MHZ or something like that. Computerbase.de was more of the same. So its probably at least 5% to 8% or more on average dependent on the card if you buy one with a better cooler,and that is down to boost clockspeeds being maintained. The reference GTX1060 has no such issue since the cooler is actually matched better with the card. AMD reference coolers for the last few years have been rather hit and miss - Nvidia has had some poor ones(GTX760 for example) but their track record seems better in this regard.

Plus please don't use maximum oveclocks as an argument - I have been an enthusiast for nearly 15 years now. People on forums "promise" overclocks and then you see people not getting them since their card or CPU is a poor overclocker. It happens and I have experienced the dissapointment,but then I had cards and CPUs which also overclocked well too. So in the end its kind of hit and miss IMHO.

 

[raghu78]

There is no great difference between the stock performance of reference and third party 480s.

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Actually you are completely wrong. The Rx 480 custom cards running at 1266 Mhz gain 4% on avg over ref Rx 480. Sapphire Rx 480 Nitro Quiet runs at 1266 Mhz and is 4% faster than ref Rx 480. btw custom Rx 480 OC cards like Sapphire Rx 480 OC Nitro and Powercolor Red Devil Rx 480 OC actually gain more over ref Rx 480 than custom GTX 1060 OC vs GTX 1060 ref. The perf gap between GTX 1060 OC and Rx 480 OC is lesser compared to GTX 1060 ref vs Rx 480 ref.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-oc-test/3/

 

[raghu78]

But there aren't enough DX12 games to prove anything. There's a sample size of what, eight maybe? Drawing conclusions about a future two years from now from that small of sample size is foolish.

Thats your opinion. We are talking about performance today and not in the future. Nvidia GTX 1060 is losing in DX12 games today. Are people playing 2016 AAA DX12 and Vulkan games now. yes they are. We have seen even neutral games like Quantum Break or Gears of War Ultimate Edition run faster on Rx 480. The fact is AMD have partnered with the top DX12 titles of 2016 and they are investing significantly in bringing the best possible performance on DX12 on AMD GPUs. We will see upcoming DX12 titles make their way into game test suites of tech sites and we will see the trend strengthen with Rx 480 performing very well wrt GTX 1060 compared to the current scenario based on 2013-2015 DX11 games. You have to remember even though there might be many games which launch every year only a few high profile games are used for GPU testing in benchmarks. Many of the upcoming high profile DX12 AAA games scheduled to launch before year end (4 of which are Gaming Evolved) - Deux Ex Mankind Divided, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Civilization 6, Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3 will be included in reviews going forward in 2016 and 2017.

 

[Phynaz]

Thats your opinion. We are talking about performance today and not in the future. Nvidia GTX 1060 is losing in DX12 games today. Are people playing 2016 AAA DX12 and Vulkan games now. yes they are.

Actually, it's not my opinion, it's statistics.

Go back through the thread, nobody is talking about "now". Team Red does nothing but talk about the AMD cards are future proof, and the current DX12 games prove it.

My argument:
Number of DX 12 games on Steam's top seller list: 0
Number of of DX12 games on Steam's most popular list: 2 out of 100
Number of DX comming up soon: 1

In the vast majority of cases - at least 1,000 : 1 - the 1060 is faster than a 480. Heck, a 1060 3GB is faster than a 480.

Team Red also narrows the goal posts by saying things like "AAA" and "big name", which they can define as anything they want.

 

[raghu78]

Actually, it's not my opinion, it's statistics.

Go back through the thread, nobody is talking about "now". Team Red does nothing but talk about the AMD cards are future proof, and the current DX12 games prove it.

My argument:
Number of DX 12 games on Steam's top seller list: 0
Number of of DX12 games on Steam's most popular list: 2 out of 100
Number of DX comming up soon: 1

In the vast majority of cases - at least 1,000 : 1 - the 1060 is faster than a 480. Heck, a 1060 3GB is faster than a 480.

Team Red also narrows the goal posts by saying things like "AAA" and "big name", which they can define as anything they want.

steam's top seller list consists of games which are rarely demanding. It does not matter whether you play them with a GTX 1060 or Rx 480. They are both going to be providing fps well above 60 and most mainstream gamers do not even have a 1080p monitor which does > 60 Hz. Its the AAA games which are used for benchmarking by most sites which really push the gpus to their limit and struggle to maintain fps at max settings. And most of the upcoming AAA games are supporting both DX11 and DX12.

 

[AtenRa]

But there aren't enough DX12 games to prove anything. There's a sample size of what, eight maybe? Drawing conclusions about a future two years from now from that small of sample size is foolish.

Could you link how many AAA 2016 tiles that going to be released from now on are DX-11 only ??

Then link the DX-12 titles and compare.