Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

[Unreal123]

I will not create another topic for this ,however, most of people will ignore this and will blame the you tuber or the developer but not AMD.

 

[PhonakV30]

Source Please?

 

[Arachnotronic]

I will not create another topic for this ,however, most of people will ignore this and will blame the you tuber or the developer but not AMD.

Huh, that's a pretty big difference in image quality. Do you have multiple sources that show this? If you do, then that's very interesting.

 

[PhonakV30]

I think He forgot one thing :

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...r-amd-to-market-the-rx-480-as-a-150w.2479720/

"Read the mod edit"

At the end , This kind of Posts Have no conclusion.marked as Troll post.

 

[Unreal123]

Huh, that's a pretty big difference in image quality. Do you have multiple sources that show this? If you do, then that's very interesting.

Here it the source.

 

[Unreal123]

I think He forgot one thing :

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...r-amd-to-market-the-rx-480-as-a-150w.2479720/

"Read the mod edit"

At the end , This kind of Posts Have no conclusion.marked as Troll post.

 

[USER8000]

A 5 second search on Google gave this comparison of the GTX970,GTX1060 and RX480:

Image quality seems similar or am I missing something??

 

[antihelten]

Huh, that's a pretty big difference in image quality. Do you have multiple sources that show this? If you do, then that's very interesting.

It's really not that interesting. This texture streaming issue has been demonstrated on a number of GPUs, including the 980 Ti, 1080, Fury X, 970, Nano, and now the 480.

At this point I think it's safe to say that it is a game issue and not a GPU or driver issue.

 

[Unreal123]

Edited...

 

[Unreal123]

A 5 second search on Google gave this comparison of the GTX970,GTX1060 and RX480:

Image quality seems similar or am I missing something??

This video do not have similar location of pic and video that i posted.

 

[antihelten]

You are right that it is definitely his computer fault, steaming fault, or Nvidia paid him, or youtube fault but it is definitely not AMD fault.

Any other strawmen you want to attack or are you done trolling?

I just showed you that the exact same issue happens on Nvidia GPUs (970, 980 Ti and 1080), and yet you keep insisting that this is somehow AMD's fault.

 

[William Gaatjes]

This is what reviews using overclocked i7s don't show:

1060 is still faster than 480 @ Doom Vulkan if you use a cheaper FX-8350.

I believe this is from :
http://www.hardwareunboxed.com/gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-in-6-year-old-amd-and-intel-computers

The personal preferences, set aside...
This reads that the rx480 is never pushed to its limits with a "slow" system. As if it is waiting for data or there is something going on with the driver from AMD.
The FX8350 has 4 modules (8 cores) if i am not mistaking (good for multithreading).
The i7 is a master in single threaded performance compared to the piledriver core the FX 8350 has.
It reads as if the driver from AMD benefits from outstanding single thread performance. But this is guessing on my side.
AMD might still gain a lot with better drivers. Which i expect will be the case.

But what every reviewer does is at least provide some detail about the complete system they use for testing.
And Matt Knuppel did not provide any details.

I am a bit weary when it comes to this reviewer.
I do not fully trust these results

 

[DamZe]

No matter what the future might bring with DX12/Vulkan, the 1060 is NVidia's best performance/value proposition at 250$ MSRP, my sister just replaced her older 960 Strix 4GB which she sold for 150$ and upgraded to an ASUS 1060 Turbo which went for the MSRP, and the difference in performance is astronomical, never has a x60 NVidia part been this lethal between generations. One can say NVidia have redeemed their x60 part with Pascal, since the 960 was trash, but we will see what happens, if the DX11 trend declines and Vulkan/DX12 take over completely, will the lack of hardware async compute hurt the 1060 in the long run? But for the time being this is probably the price/performance 1080p king @ MSRP, 300+ and it's nowhere near as compelling.

 

[Sonikku]

Before people relish in the whole "MIND BLOWING improvement form 960!!" thing they need to bear in mind the 960, for its performance level, was never worth its asking price.

 

[DamZe]

Before people relish in the whole "MIND BLOWING improvement form 960!!" thing they need to bear in mind the 960, for its performance level, was never worth its asking price.

In hindsight that is absolutely correct, but the fact is the 980 cost 550$ at the time, so a 980 cut in half for 200$ seemed OK for most casual users. When the 960 came out I said from the start it was trash (not on this forum) it needed 3GB of vRAM ( as standard SKU)/192-bit/1280 shaders and then it would have made sense.

 

[antihelten]

In hindsight that is absolutely correct, but the fact is the 980 cost 550$ at the time, so a 980 cut in half for 200$ seemed OK for most casual users.

This would be true if the 980 was the only card available at the time, but the 970 was also there. The existence of the 970 was really what made the 960 look poor (and the 980 as well for that matter).

 

[DamZe]

This would be true if the 980 was the only card available at the time, but the 970 was also there. The existence of the 970 was really what made the 960 look poor (and the 980 as well for that matter).

Yes, to a degree. Today the 980 is distancing itself comfortably from the 970 which is vRAM bottlenecked due to the 3.5+0.5GB fiasco, and fewer shaders, I am not saying the price premium was worth it to get the 980 over the 970 at the time, but the 980 will outlast the 970 in usefulness no matter how you look at it.

 

[antihelten]

Yes, to a degree. Today the 980 is distancing itself comfortably from the 970 which is vRAM bottlenecked due to the 3.5+0.5GB fiasco, and fewer shaders, I am not saying the price premium was worth it to get the 980 over the 970 at the time, but the 980 will outlast the 970 in usefulness no matter how you look at it.

Sure, a 980 on its own will outlast a 970 on its own, but will a 980 on its own outlast a 970 plus the $220 you saved that can be used on your next upgrade (a 1070 for example).

Hell, if you can get at least $150 for your used 970 (on eBay used 970s are going for $200-250), then with the money you saved on the 970 relative to the 980 you could upgrade to a 1070 free of charge. A 980 obviously won't outlast a 1070.

 

[Headfoot]

Really of the last gen, the only card on the nVidia side that wasn't trash was the 970. Even with the memory fiasco it was a good performing card at a good price. The 980 was wildly overpriced. The 960 was absolute garbage when you could get a 290 for $50 more for nearly the entire life of the card. The 950 was okay as well for what it was as an HTPC card / light duty gaming card which even further spoiled the 960.

The 1060 is definitely more competent than the 960 was. Certainly made nVidia worth buying in the lower-midrange again. Is it as good as the 560 Ti was though? I'm not sure.

 

[DamZe]

Sure, a 980 on its own will outlast a 970 on its own, but will a 980 on its own outlast a 970 plus the $220 you saved that can be used on your next upgrade (a 1070 for example).

Hell, if you can get at least $150 for your used 970 (on eBay used 970s are going for $200-250), then with the money you saved on the 970 relative to the 980 you could upgrade to a 1070 free of charge. A 980 obviously won't outlast a 1070.

A used 200-250$ 970 is a hard sell these days, especially when more 1060 stock arrives, I plan to keep my 980 until it stops producing the results I want on my 1080p monitor, if I can get 3 years out of it, then I will be a happy Maxwell owner. 1440p is my next goal, a 1070 won't be able to handle 1440p comfortably in a year or two. Volta/Vega is what interests me the most.

But the most important message to take home here is really, spending too little or too much can prove unwise in the long run, but who would have thought that a x60 product could match the x80 (non TI) flagship of previous gen? These are exciting times.

 

[antihelten]

A used 200-250$ 970 is a hard sell these days, especially when more 1060 stock arrives, I plan to keep my 980 until it stops producing the results I want on my 1080p monitor, if I can get 3 years out of it, then I will be a happy Maxwell owner. 1440p is my next goal, a 1070 won't be able to handle 1440p comfortably in a year or two. Volta/Vega is what interests me the most.

But the most important message to take home here is really, spending too little or too much can prove unwise in the long run, but who would have thought that a x60 product could match the x80 (non TI) flagship of previous gen? These are exciting times.

I don't know if $200-250 is a hard sell for a 970 (again that is what they are going for on eBay), but it doesn't matter since you only need to get $150 which should be dead easy (or $180 given that the cheapest 1070 on Newegg is $400 currently).

And whether or not a 1070 can handle 1440P isn't the point, the point is that no matter what settings you play at and no matter what level of FPS you consider comfortable, the 1070 will always outperform your 980.

Regarding Volta/Vega, if you had originally bought a 970, and sold it to buy a 1070 today, you would undoubtedly be able to sell said 1070 for more than your 980 by the time Volta/Vega arrives, so even on that timescale you would be better off having bought a 970.

Basically if your upgrade schedule is 3 years (and assuming that Volta/Vega will be available by then), then you had two scenarios available.

Scenario A:
Buy a 980 for $550 and keep it for the full 3 years. Then sell it for maybe $200 to use on a Volta/Vega card.

Scenario B:
Buy a 970 for $330 and keep it for 21 months, then sell it for $150-200 and buy a 1070 with this money plus the $220 you saved and keep this card for 15 months. Then sell the 1070 for $300 to use on a Volta/Vega card.

Net result:
scenario B has 10-15% worse performance for 21 months, followed by 15 months with 35-40% better performance, and finally after the 3 years scenario B will leave you with roughly $100 more to spend on a new Volta/Vega card.

 

[3DVagabond]

Really of the last gen, the only card on the nVidia side that wasn't trash was the 970. Even with the memory fiasco it was a good performing card at a good price. The 980 was wildly overpriced. The 960 was absolute garbage when you could get a 290 for $50 more for nearly the entire life of the card. The 950 was okay as well for what it was as an HTPC card / light duty gaming card which even further spoiled the 960.

The 1060 is definitely more competent than the 960 was. Certainly made nVidia worth buying in the lower-midrange again. Is it as good as the 560 Ti was though? I'm not sure.

I think the 980 ti was the only good card of the 900 series. All of the others, including 980/970 were just smoke and mirrors. When it all shook out they weren't really any improvement over the previous gen. Hawaii is actually faster. The 780/ti can't be judged because nVidia just let them drop off of a cliff after the 900 series was released, and for good reason. Who would have bought them if they realized the only upgrade was perf/W?

 

[DamZe]

I don't know if $200-250 is a hard sell for a 970 (again that is what they are going for on eBay), but it doesn't matter since you only need to get $150 which should be dead easy (or $180 given that the cheapest 1070 on Newegg is $400 currently).

And whether or not a 1070 can handle 1440P isn't the point, the point is that no matter what settings you play at and no matter what level of FPS you consider comfortable, the 1070 will always outperform your 980.

Regarding Volta/Vega, if you had originally bought a 970, and sold it to buy a 1070 today, you would undoubtedly be able to sell said 1070 for more than your 980 by the time Volta/Vega arrives, so even on that timescale you would be better off having bought a 970.

Basically if your upgrade schedule is 3 years (and assuming that Volta/Vega will be available by then), then you had two scenarios available.

Scenario A:
Buy a 980 for $550 and keep it for the full 3 years. Then sell it for maybe $200 to use on a Volta/Vega card.

Scenario B:
Buy a 970 for $330 and keep it for 21 months, then sell it for $150-200 and buy a 1070 with this money plus the $220 you saved and keep this card for 15 months. Then sell the 1070 for $300 to use on a Volta/Vega card.

Net result:
scenario B has 10-15% worse performance for 21 months, followed by 15 months with 35-40% better performance, and finally after the 3 years scenario B will leave you with roughly $100 more to spend on a new Volta/Vega card.

That scenario does not pan out for me, I live in a different economy/country outside of the US, GPUs are on average 30% more expensive and harder to sell used, so going the scenario B route is not as easy on the wallet as one would think. Otherwise I agree, being able to sell an older GPU and buying a new one with the least amount of cash is probably the best route if the market allows it and one wishes to own the newest tech in every generation.

 

[antihelten]

That scenario does not pan out for me, I live in a different economy/country outside of the US, GPUs are on average 30% more expensive and harder to sell used, so going the scenario B route is not as easy on the wallet as one would think. Otherwise I agree, being able to sell an older GPU and buying a new one with the least amount of cash is probably the best route if the market allows it and one wishes to own the newest tech in every generation.

That's fair enough, the used market is definitely not equally big/accessible in all places.

At that point it basically becomes a question of whether or not the 15% better performance offered by the 980 for the 3 year cycle is worth the extra $220. That is basically a question for which there isn't really an objective answer, since it is entirely up to the individual.

 

[Sweepr]

Newegg has the $249 EVGA ACX 2.0 in stock. BTW the 3GB model (GP106-300-A1) was listed again in Germany, should be close to launch.