I don't feel it's much more prevalent. I actually feel it's about 3-1 for the green side, corresponding roughly with market share. I agree though, we have "special, splendid" people on both sides of the fence. A few of them just so happen to be so far beyond obvious that it falls somewhere between funny and annoying. Same reaction spread Jim Carrey seems to get out of people.
Now, you can be "clear" all you want. It in no way makes you correct. It does not validate your posts. It's an opinion, the same as mine. We just happen to disagree it seems and so be it.
Now, would you like to get this back on topic or would you like to continue your member callout posts where you call people obtuse?
Honestly, I don't know. It matters to me because I am in the market for a monitor and I was shocked at how much more expensive the Gsync was. Yes, Gsync is technically a bit better than Freesync, but not that much.
I think Freesync/Gsync and the cost difference is more relevant because a cost-conscious GPU buyer isn't likely to be maxing a 1080 at 144 fps in any game at max detail. So if he can get a 144Hz Freesync for $100-150 less he can game at 1080 and basically always take advantage of Freesync. I've seen Freesync (or might have been Gsync) once and it was really, really nice.
Even if the 480 is slower in dx11, the experience with Freesync should be better overall.
Looking at 1440 numbers, you could still take advantage of the Freesync ranges the monitors provide and get a decent gaming experience.
I haven't seen any 3840x2160 comparisons of 1060/480 but the performance is likely too low (or you'd have to turn details down) to take great advantage of Freesync. Plus Freesync ranges on 4k monitors is narrow. You could do it. And your 4k Freesync would be $300 less.
talos had performance regression, just like the piece of a turd tomb raider.
warhammer showing neck in neck performance of 480 and 1060. in this case, go with the cheaper option.
same with aots.
for doom, in 1080p, 480 beats 1060 by 30%. this is a no brainer.
it is easy for gamers. check the games you want and see if it has dx12/vulkan support or not. if yes, 100% buy the 480. if not either one is fine.
1440p or higher? 1070 or a used 980 ti(can be had for as low as 300 now, happy hunting)
lol... seems like you may as well go on a euro trip.
but about 500 euros for 1070 eh?Would Amazon.de not deliver to your location?
I see one 8gb 480 card for 285 euros, and i don't know what it would be including tax & shipping. Sounds it is what it's selling for in Poland anyways.
AMD prices are absolute poop in India as well, but Nvidia's not much better either. 1060 is about 22k ($310 odd) rupees and 480 is about 2k rupees more. Street price for some other models may be about equal, or slightly more for AMD.
The cheapest 1070 i saw was about $570-$580
Uh the Nano/Fury are last generation.
Post the stores and the prices of the GTX 970 and GTX 960.
Ketchup
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Considering they only did a preview of the 1080, and the 1070 only showed up through a preview of the RX480, don't hold your breath. I am glad the forums are holding up though. At least we can find places to find real reviews of these cards.
know of fence
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From my point of view, the 1060 is a bit of a pointless card, it's the same price per shader core as the 1070, if you compare either price point. (~5 Cuda cores for a dollar). At least the 1080 at this same core price commands a 100 dollar premium.
With a 2560x1080 ultrawide monitor people are going to need the extra 50% performance of the 1070, if the 1060 is billed as a 1080p card. With all the cards on the table, it's probably easy to make a monitor choice now. Certainly the ultrawide is a better choice than 16:9 2.5K stuff (AKA 4x 720p) than Nvidia has been pushing, even though the pixel counts are comparable.
With a 2560x1080 ultrawide monitor people are going to need the extra 50% performance of the 1070, if the 1060 is billed as a 1080p card. With all the cards on the table, it's probably easy to make a monitor choice now. Certainly the ultrawide is a better choice than 16:9 2.5K stuff (AKA 4x 720p) than Nvidia has been pushing, even though the pixel counts are comparable.
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rx480 had a day one pre-view at least.. kind of scary. Anandtech has been my favourite review site for going on 16+ years.
The reference 8GB model costs only $10 less than a nice custom GTX 1060 that even includes slight OC. Minor difference and even lower price for NVIDIA (vs 8GB model) in other countries as well. Really a no brainer, which is why you had to bring up the 4GB model that doesn't have a direct competitor yet.
Nice to know that cheaper cards are performing just as well/better than the $299 model.
Less than 5% better DX12 performance overall, and that includes Gaming Evolved titles. Time Spy already indicates there's no surprise when you optimize for both. Overall it is slower in the majority of today's games and more power hungry, which is enough reason to consider the alternative.
dude the ref GTX 1060 is losing to ref Rx 480 in DX12 / Vulkan games. In Doom Rx 480 smashes the GTX 1060. btw the GTX 1060 ref cards are running at 1800 Mhz while Rx 480 ref is clock throttled. Just take the major DX12 / Vulkan games - AoTS, Hitman, Quantum Break, Gears of War Ultimate Edition , RoTR, Total War Warhammer and Doom. Rx 480 wins in the majority. Custom Rx 480 is showing huge gains over ref Rx 480.
http://videocardz.com/62392/asus-shows-off-radeon-rx-480-strix-and-rx-480-dual
Custom Rx 480 vs Custom 1060 will see a < 5% lead for Nvidia in DX11 overall and >5% lead for AMD in DX12 / Vulkan. Combine that with how AMD cards have aged much better than Nvidia cards over the last few years and the higher VRAM capacity and bandwidth and the Rx 480 is going to be just the better card for the long run. :whiste:
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When they say available for $249 they usually mean one card at that price and the rest at $270+ like we saw on newegg. I'm not sure why people are surprised since these are AIB cards.
The 480's are at their msrp since they are reference but I'm pretty sure the custom ones will be higher priced in the $260+ range. Hopefully we will see them in the next few days.
The 480's are at their msrp since they are reference but I'm pretty sure the custom ones will be higher priced in the $260+ range. Hopefully we will see them in the next few days.
I think when it all comes down to it the saying "There are no bad products, only bad prices" applies pretty well.
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Stuka87
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Not to get too far off topic, but I owned a lot of Quantum Fireballs, not a single one ever failed. Although there were built before Maxtor bought them.
Back on topic, the 1060 is priced lower than I expected. I think this with the fact that it was released very early shows that nVidia really does not want the 480 to get a foot hold. Even though quantities of the 1060 are a very low in comparison to the 480 launch, just the fact that its for sale can sway a lot of people. Even if it may take a month for them to be able to actually buy it.
Wins by a few % in DX12 titles while GTX 1060 is 10% faster overall in different reviews using less power, based on a smaller die - with custom models available at launch offering reasonable gains. Sorry, if you look past the few Gaming Evolved exceptions, it is the better card today. Previous AMD cards had a bigger perf/$ advantage and it didn't to much to their marketshare, now with a terrible reference card (first impression counts) and no halo effect from high-end models (no Vega till 2017) they're back to square zero.
zinfamous
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My first GPU in my first build was a Maxtor! Dude that helped me troubleshoot gave it to me, because I totally forgot video/graphic processing part.
(that was a 700mhz Thunderbird)
EDIT: Matrox, not Maxtor. Heh, forgot about those Maxtor HDD.
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SolMiester
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AMD fans just dont get it...Every time a AMD card arrives, you have to wait for something...Drivers, CF profile, Mantle, Vulkan or DX12.....same story, I don't see the point of buying a card for games that come out a year from now?
I wish some other manufacturer would hurry up and buy RTG so they can get some decent headway...before it gets completely run to the ground.
As someone who currently has a GTX760 in my main rig, this is a very real concern of mine, and the main reason why despite it's positives, I am not really considering the GTX1060. It has it's advantages, but there are too many indications that it might age like the 760 and down the road I may seriously regret the decision.
With the RX480, it may not be THE BEST, especially in power consumption, but there is pretty much zero risk that it will age like my current card has, and this has me overlooking the downsides of the RX480.
zinfamous
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Fascinating that you guys still think games that are here today actually aren't.
nVidia is done for an entire generation of API. They'll certainly catch up though, they're too big not to.
I just don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to acknowledge the obvious? It's very strange. Like pulling for a sportsing team.
Lol... Deathstar, WD 31600, Seagate 1.5TB yeah, there are a lot of those. Luckily out of all the really bad ones, I only actually owned the WD 31600 (which did fail)
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No, you don't have to wait for anything. What will happen though is that the 480 will surpass the 1060 in performance. very likely across all API's. Most people who buy 480/1060 will keep them well over a year, making the 480 the better choice.
dude as I said ref 480 vs ref 1060 is not going to matter when we have custom 480 vs custom 1060 cards. You are going to see a lot of custom 480 reviews in the next 2-4 weeks which will clarify what I said. As I said earlier overall we will see <5% lead for Nvidia in DX11 and >5% lead for AMD in DX12/Vulkan. Right now the showpiece Vulkan title Doom is a mighty embarrassment for GTX 1060 as it gets thrashed by 25-30% by Rx 480. Sorry but thats just pretty darn amazing for Rx 480. If you average out the DX12 perf of Rx 480 and GTX 1060 in AoTS, Hitman, Gears of War Ultimate Edition, Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Total War Warhammer and Vulkan Doom you will see that the margin is >=10%. btw thats ref 480 vs ref 1060. custom 480 vs custom 1060 will see that gap widen while the dx11 lead of 1080 will shrink.
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