OK seriously, I am going to have a non-rollo post tonight, I can feel it. This is not it though.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2595
Kristopher
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2595
Kristopher
GeForce 7600, 7200
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Just tried twice to make comments for that article but got an error - they were quite long too 
So I'm glad I copied and pasted the second one before I posted it
"I assume the 7600 range will probably be at least 12 pipes and the 7600GT would have a high core clock - just the question of whether they follow ATi's X1600XT in using only 4 ROP's, which would limit performance potential somewhat. I am also surprised by them releasing the 7200 before the 7600, as they released the 6600 before 6200 last time - thought they'd follow the same pattern (i.e. release high-end, mid-range, and then low-end)."
So I'm glad I copied and pasted the second one before I posted it
"I assume the 7600 range will probably be at least 12 pipes and the 7600GT would have a high core clock - just the question of whether they follow ATi's X1600XT in using only 4 ROP's, which would limit performance potential somewhat. I am also surprised by them releasing the 7200 before the 7600, as they released the 6600 before 6200 last time - thought they'd follow the same pattern (i.e. release high-end, mid-range, and then low-end)."
March... That seems lame... : *( anyways lets hope ATI has some thing to fight back with... they got enough time i think to have some competitive product but who knows what ATI will do since they are known for delays.
My guesses:
1. nV put their resources into SLI and the high end this year, wanting to dominate that market to cast an aura of superiority over their whole product line (and succeeded)
2. nV probably figured their current 6600-6800s could fill in at the midrange and low end till these products were introduced. (heh- sound strange to say it, but a 6800U is now a midrange card)
Hey Kristopher- any info floating around if the 7600 will use a 256 bit mem interface or a 128 bit one? I suppose it will have the 128 bit due to the x1600 having that(which was a letdown). If it had a 256 bit interface I may wait on it.....but March....I was hoping November!
SPARTAN VI
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Yeah, release dates are nice, but having some real info on some of the stuff that's not going to change soon (pixel pipes, shaders, and so forth) would have been good.
As for the delayed released of the 7600, it doesn't matter. The 6800GS kills the X1600XT in the benchmarks I've seen, and with some RAM reduction, the 6800GS should also be able to go toe to toe in $150-$175 range, too. ATI has either got to release the X850 as a mid-range card, or they've got to pump up the X1600XT somehow.
I've not seen any good benchmarks of it, but I'm guessing the 6600 competes pretty well against the X1300 Pro at the same price point, especially now that the vendors have started equipping them with DDR2. So, really, who needs the 7200, either?
ATI has gotta figure out how they're going to compete, because some soft-mod GTOs aren't going to cut it for most of the market.
-Erwos
As for the delayed released of the 7600, it doesn't matter. The 6800GS kills the X1600XT in the benchmarks I've seen, and with some RAM reduction, the 6800GS should also be able to go toe to toe in $150-$175 range, too. ATI has either got to release the X850 as a mid-range card, or they've got to pump up the X1600XT somehow.
I've not seen any good benchmarks of it, but I'm guessing the 6600 competes pretty well against the X1300 Pro at the same price point, especially now that the vendors have started equipping them with DDR2. So, really, who needs the 7200, either?
ATI has gotta figure out how they're going to compete, because some soft-mod GTOs aren't going to cut it for most of the market.
-Erwos
I am not sure what to make of the Geforce 6800 GS, it's priced abit cheaper than the Geforce 6800 GT but not by enough to make it a great purchase imo. I have read a few comments saying that the Geforce 6800 GS is replacing the GeForce 6800, I think that is an error because if you take into account the price then it's actually replacing the Geforce 6800 GT?
TBH I would of liked to see the Geforce 7600 and 7200 released sooner but I do understand why Nvidia have not done so.
UK Geforce 6800 GS prices at Overclockers.co.uk
TBH I would of liked to see the Geforce 7600 and 7200 released sooner but I do understand why Nvidia have not done so.
UK Geforce 6800 GS prices at Overclockers.co.uk
blckgrffn
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6800GS is a smart move for nvidia because:
A) It is cheaper for nvidia to make these chips due to a smaller die size.
B) Since it is less expensive for them to make, they can lower MSRP and dominate that upper middle range PCIe market that was one of the last strongholds of ATI market share (currently)
C) IF they wanted too, the could consolidate their product line, and drop the 6800GT and 6800 and just have the 6800GS. Makes sense since the 7800GT is a $300 part, the GS is a $200 part, and the 6600GT is a $150 part. Gets rid of the alphabet soup differentiation that ATI has as well, which in my opinion is good thing.
D) It will signicantly outperform the ATI part that is supposed to be in the same performance class by MSRP, the x600xt.
E) They can get the drivers sufficiently mature in house to have a very stable release coincide with the launch of the card.
F) Re-tape it out ot get higher clock speeds? I mean, they have the time and the resources, obviously, and look how well it worked for ATI
So, looking at those factors why the heck would nvidia push the 7600 any earlier than it had to? They have the market right now, bringing in a new product when they can milk what they currently have doesn't make much business sense.
My $.02
Nat
A) It is cheaper for nvidia to make these chips due to a smaller die size.
B) Since it is less expensive for them to make, they can lower MSRP and dominate that upper middle range PCIe market that was one of the last strongholds of ATI market share (currently)
C) IF they wanted too, the could consolidate their product line, and drop the 6800GT and 6800 and just have the 6800GS. Makes sense since the 7800GT is a $300 part, the GS is a $200 part, and the 6600GT is a $150 part. Gets rid of the alphabet soup differentiation that ATI has as well, which in my opinion is good thing.
D) It will signicantly outperform the ATI part that is supposed to be in the same performance class by MSRP, the x600xt.
E) They can get the drivers sufficiently mature in house to have a very stable release coincide with the launch of the card.
F) Re-tape it out ot get higher clock speeds? I mean, they have the time and the resources, obviously, and look how well it worked for ATI
So, looking at those factors why the heck would nvidia push the 7600 any earlier than it had to? They have the market right now, bringing in a new product when they can milk what they currently have doesn't make much business sense.
My $.02
Nat
blckgrffn
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That is just speculation at this point. They have no need to launch those products at this point, that is why we need ATI to step to the plate.
Nat
blckgrffn
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Well, seeing as they have launch about 5 months from now, I don't think there should any problem keeping to their shipping when launched strategy...
Assuming the 7600 comes with a 128bit memory interface, which it would have to if it's using the 6600's pcb, it would either have to have some seriously fast memory or have to be more of a 150$ card for a 6600 replacement which kinda makes sense. Otherwise it's gonna be a pretty sad replacement for the 6800gs. Just like x1600 is pretty poor competition for the 6800gs. I think some sort of 7800gs will probably be eventually the replacement for the 6800gs
nemesismk2, seems like in the uk the 6800gs is selling for closer to msrp. Here they are selling for 200-210 at several locations compaired to 280-300 for 6800gt's. With pricing like that the 6800gs is a great deal. I think it will probably end up replacing both for the most part. You'll probably see a few 6800 and gt's around in agp and even a few gt's still around in pci e for people who want to do sli but for the most part it will be the gs.
nemesismk2, seems like in the uk the 6800gs is selling for closer to msrp. Here they are selling for 200-210 at several locations compaired to 280-300 for 6800gt's. With pricing like that the 6800gs is a great deal. I think it will probably end up replacing both for the most part. You'll probably see a few 6800 and gt's around in agp and even a few gt's still around in pci e for people who want to do sli but for the most part it will be the gs.
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Originally posted by: nemesismk2
I am not sure what to make of the Geforce 6800 GS, it's priced abit cheaper than the Geforce 6800 GT but not by enough to make it a great purchase imo. I have read a few comments saying that the Geforce 6800 GS is replacing the GeForce 6800, I think that is an error because if you take into account the price then it's actually replacing the Geforce 6800 GT?
TBH I would of liked to see the Geforce 7600 and 7200 released sooner but I do understand why Nvidia have not done so.
UK Geforce 6800 GS prices at Overclockers.co.uk
i think the gt replaced the 6800 vanilla. i sent my 6800 vanilla back to bfg for repair or replacement and they sent me a 6800 gt instead.
So if the 7600 will be out in March, why is the 6600 on allocation? Too much demand or not enough supply? NVidia shifting its orders to the 6800GS/7800?
They've already let the 6600GT slide to < $150. My guess is that the March line-up will look like:
7800 Ultra (aka "GTX 512mb"): > $550
7800GTX: $425-$525
7800GT: $300-$400
7600GT: $200-$275
7600: $125 - $175
7200GT: $75-$100
7200: < $75
I think the mistake people are making is to assume that the 6800GS is going to be replaced by a single product (ie, "the 7600GT"). By the time March rolls around, it's probably going to be filling the entire $150-$275 range (think: variants with 128mb RAM), and have totally replaced the 6600GT, and, to large extent, the 6600.
That's my conjecture, anyways. nVidia could move things up, and the range of the 6800GS could be narrowed somewhat...
-Erwos
If current indications are right and the 7600 in any flavor ends up being the replacement for the 6800gs I think thats gonna be a real disappointment. Unless they can come up with some 2ghz ddr4 or something like that its going to end up very much bandwidth limited much like the x1600 seems to be now and not compair well against a 6800gs in any moderate to high res especially with aa/af enabled.
Where do you think the 7800gs is going to end up? I can't imagine it replacing the gtx. Maybe a replacement for the gt but what would you do? 16 pipe higher clocked card actually fabed with 16 pipes instead of 4 disabled from a 24 fab? I could potentially see that.
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