Well whenever ATI finally comes out with a card to compete with the 6800NU this is only going to make it harder for them. Either that or push them to make their offering better, however you want to look at it.
I've been following the riva tuner thread at guru 3d. not much movement on it over there... lots of posts of card info, but no updates on the status of the next release.
What are the chances of getting a card with the 4 fully functional additional pipes? over 50%? I eagerly await the answer...
I don't know if anyone can tell you that. I read the 6800NUs are 6800GTs that have a defective quad unit, so those will never be working with 16 pipes.
reallyscrued
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ahh rollo i expected this from u. dont ruin this ok? even the rivatuner page says that the MSI sample worked fine. just cross ur fingers.
apoppin
Lifer
this thread?!
extreme optimism bordering on gullibility
:roll:as time goes by, nVidia's (partners) manufacturing process gets more refined with better yields and less defective quad parts.. Then - much more rather than now - 6800s with all 16 functional pipes will be commonplace (80+ %).
Since nVidia is having problems with yields, i would guess htat your chances of getting a "good" one are much less than 50%
but then i am a pessimist
the glass IS empty.
:roll:
RivaTuner?
this possibility is BS until it becomes a bios mod. then youll have something to talk about.
this possibility is BS until it becomes a bios mod. then youll have something to talk about.
Why would you expect this from me? I own a 6800NU and love it? I've actually been thinking of taking my GT out, putting the NU back in to play around with OCing?
No, I don't think it's 0% at all Fearof the Night. I think some 6800NUs are probably flashable and NUs due to speed binning as well.
I have no way of predicting what percentage that is, and you shouldn't believe the pointless speculation of anyone who tries to tell you otherwhise. The only people who could tell you with any accuracy at all are the QA Dept at IBMs fab, and they're under NDA I'm sure.
Even if 100 people posted here "It worked for me!" the number would be so statistically insignificant it would be meaningless. Good luck with it though, I think the RAM limits this card more than the 12 pipes, I'm leaving mine alone.
RivaTuner?
you have an nVidia card and don't know about this program??
this possibility is BS until it becomes a bios mod. then youll have something to talk about.
little refresher for you, early ATI 9500 mods were made possible by this program, I believe it superceded the Omega driver hack. Btw, not everyone wants to flash their card anyhow and would prefer a sofmod program/driver option.
I don't know if anyone can tell you that. I read the 6800NUs are 6800GTs that have a defective quad unit, so those will never be working with 16 pipes.
not sure where you read that but I have my doubts ... has any thorough testing been done with hard evidence showing this? I don't know of any program (aside from this new RivaTuner) that even shows the # of (6800) pipes enabled, much less whether they are functional. Anyways, they seemed to have luck with an MSI card already. Also the assertion that this won't mean much
due to limited ram is unproven as well. Doubt the extra pipes will show a 2,000pt increase in 3dmark03 like with the X800pro --> X800 XT (12-->16), but I am sure it will help and it's only a soft mod and at the very least will be fun to try.
you have an nVidia card and don't know about this program??
this possibility is BS until it becomes a bios mod. then youll have something to talk about.
little refresher for you, early ATI 9500 mods were made possible by this program, I believe it superceded the Omega driver hack. Btw, not everyone wants to flash their card anyhow and would prefer a sofmod program/driver option.
I don't know if anyone can tell you that. I read the 6800NUs are 6800GTs that have a defective quad unit, so those will never be working with 16 pipes.
not sure where you read that but I have my doubts ... has any thorough testing been done with hard evidence showing this? I don't know of any program (aside from this new RivaTuner) that even shows the # of (6800) pipes enabled, much less whether they are functional. Anyways, they seemed to have luck with an MSI card already. Also the assertion that this won't mean much
due to limited ram is unproven as well. Doubt the extra pipes will show a 2,000pt increase in 3dmark03 like with the X800pro --> X800 XT (12-->16), but I am sure it will help and it's only a soft mod and at the very least will be fun to try.
i know what rivatuner is ~ tyvm.
id rather run a hardware mod over a software mod anyday!
vid card bios modifications are easier then you think, and can do wayyyyyyy more then rivatuner can.
if you own a NV vid card and you OC, the first thing you should be worried about is thermal throttling, not the pipes.
rivatuner can disable throttling, but a bios mod can also change gpu voltage and memory timings (along with disabling throttle)
id rather run a hardware mod over a software mod anyday!
vid card bios modifications are easier then you think, and can do wayyyyyyy more then rivatuner can.
if you own a NV vid card and you OC, the first thing you should be worried about is thermal throttling, not the pipes.
rivatuner can disable throttling, but a bios mod can also change gpu voltage and memory timings (along with disabling throttle)
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Unless somebody knows an easy way to remove the 128 700Mhz DDR and solder on 256 2.0 to 1.6ns memory, softmodding this card would be a waste. Can somebody show us some benches of a successful softmod of a 6800nu to 16 pipes? I seriously doubt there will be much improvement unless you can o/c the memory to over a Ghz. Hell, I'm not even sure all 16 pipes are used 100% of the time in games. I feel this way because Rollo underclocked his GT to nu speeds and the benches were withing 5 fps of his 6800nu. So at this stage of the game, do we REALLY need 16 pipes? Of course not. We need fast memory and faster cores. Look how well the X800pro does with 12 pipes. It's memory is a sh*tload faster than a 6800nu and so is its core speed. IMHO.
And although I said all of this, I bought a GT for myself.
And although I said all of this, I bought a GT for myself.
Avalon
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Unless somebody knows an easy way to remove the 128 700Mhz DDR and solder on 256 2.0 to 1.6ns memory, softmodding this card would be a waste. Can somebody show us some benches of a successful softmod of a 6800nu to 16 pipes? I seriously doubt there will be much improvement unless you can o/c the memory to over a Ghz. Hell, I'm not even sure all 16 pipes are used 100% of the time in games. I feel this way because Rollo underclocked his GT to nu speeds and the benches were withing 5 fps of his 6800nu. So at this stage of the game, do we REALLY need 16 pipes? Of course not. We need fast memory and faster cores. Look how well the X800pro does with 12 pipes. It's memory is a sh*tload faster than a 6800nu and so is its core speed. IMHO.
And although I said all of this, I bought a GT for myself.
You're forgetting that not all games will reflect the benchmarks of Doom 3. Let's wait and see what happens. Actually, if Rollo were to read this, if he could do a bench comparison of his GT at GT speeds. hid GT at NU speeds, and his NU, all in something like, say Farcry, then that would add a nice side to the story. I'd also appreciate it. The word "softmod" makes me feel like a happy camper again
keysplayer I had two GT's before this 6800 vanilla and your ram assessment means very little to me. My Chaintech turbo AA6800 at 375/880 is so close to a GT that unless you are talking 1600 w/ AA it's basically a draw. If you think your extra $134 is that well spent then praise be to you because I doubt your benchmarks will be more than 5% higher than mine in any situation.
I also have an $407 X800pro(vivo) modded to a 16 pipe XT PE, so Thug you can kiss your argument goodbye there too if you think I am anti-bios-flash. If any of you guys really want to talk the talk then at least own (some of?) the cards before dropping your opinions down and then patting your own backs. Your GT purchase in hindsight is not all that. There are better options for less or equal $$ value.
I also have an $407 X800pro(vivo) modded to a 16 pipe XT PE, so Thug you can kiss your argument goodbye there too if you think I am anti-bios-flash. If any of you guys really want to talk the talk then at least own (some of?) the cards before dropping your opinions down and then patting your own backs. Your GT purchase in hindsight is not all that. There are better options for less or equal $$ value.
Keysplayr
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So. Your Chaintech "Turbo" (oh brother) AA6800 came with the memory o/c'ed from the factory correct? something like 770? And you managed to "get it up" to 880. Thats pretty good. But your still 120Mhz short of stock GT speeds. And GT's can o/c as well as I'm sure you know owning 2 of them. Judging from your response to my post, I would say that you might think I'm trying to discredit your findings and you have taken a defensive stance. Well, let me put your mind at ease because I am not doing so. And as far as "needing" to own one of these cards to speak about it is absurd. All that is needed is common sense in this case.
Now, assuming that every pipeline is used in every card in every game all the time, you should receive a nice boost from the softmod if it works. But if it barely uses the 12 it already has, you wont notice much accept in optimum conditions that calls for maximum pipes to be used. Am I on the right track? Maybe. Do I know what I'm talking about? Who knows. It's just speculation and observations. So take this stuff lightly. I'm not discrediting your efforts. The memory is a HUGE factor in performance. Standard vanillas are shy 300MHz and shy 128MB of it. Thats some major cripplage there. 6800nu is a very powerful card no doubt, but I fail to see how it could ever reach the performance of a GT given its handicaps.
Cheers
Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Unless somebody knows an easy way to remove the 128 700Mhz DDR and solder on 256 2.0 to 1.6ns memory, softmodding this card would be a waste. Can somebody show us some benches of a successful softmod of a 6800nu to 16 pipes? I seriously doubt there will be much improvement unless you can o/c the memory to over a Ghz. Hell, I'm not even sure all 16 pipes are used 100% of the time in games. I feel this way because Rollo underclocked his GT to nu speeds and the benches were withing 5 fps of his 6800nu. So at this stage of the game, do we REALLY need 16 pipes? Of course not. We need fast memory and faster cores. Look how well the X800pro does with 12 pipes. It's memory is a sh*tload faster than a 6800nu and so is its core speed. IMHO.
And although I said all of this, I bought a GT for myself.
You're forgetting that not all games will reflect the benchmarks of Doom 3. Let's wait and see what happens. Actually, if Rollo were to read this, if he could do a bench comparison of his GT at GT speeds. hid GT at NU speeds, and his NU, all in something like, say Farcry, then that would add a nice side to the story. I'd also appreciate it. The word "softmod" makes me feel like a happy camper again
Rollo=Servant of the People
Benchmarks soon.
this thread was just .nfo for current/future 6800 owners .. not to drop by to say "your 6800 will never stack up to a GT" or to discredit a free program w/ new features that may benefit them.
I salute you and your PNY GT, I had one of the same brand and you are right, they do overclock well, I think mine did 425/1100.
ps - thanks Rollo, you have the (6800) capabilities to add insight about any possible benefits
I salute you and your PNY GT, I had one of the same brand and you are right, they do overclock well, I think mine did 425/1100.
ps - thanks Rollo, you have the (6800) capabilities to add insight about any possible benefits
RacerX let them say what they whant man who cares anyway
WE all know that a 6800nu is not better than a 6800GT that is a fact OK ?
but if you got a 6800gt and feel sory 4 it then dude that is not my problem.
WE all know that a 6800nu is not better than a 6800GT that is a fact OK ?
but if you got a 6800gt and feel sory 4 it then dude that is not my problem.
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