GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

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Slaimus

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They removed the html page for the trial version of 1.00.67. Not a good sign.

FYI the html page had registration/serial for installing the player for a 30 day trial. Kicking myself for not writing it down now.
 

bluesy

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how do you ctually make the dvd codec work with WMP i cn only get it to work with nvidias own crappy player :-(
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: LoneWolf15
We'll see what happens. In the meantime, I've submitted the Geforce 6's onboard video processor for "Vaporware of the Year 2004" award to Wired Magazine
On the other hand, Wired published several articles strongely suggesting that the "fr33 1P0ds" thing was legit...
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Rollo
You're also wrong about nVidia intentionally "duping" consumers. It may well be that an error somewhere in the design or manufacturing process reduces the PVP capabilities of the 6800s, but you're not very business saavy if you think that was intentional. Companies don't get as big or successful as nVidia has by intentionally misrepresenting their product.
ROTFL... does the implementation of "driver cheats", to earn (steal) higher scores on widely-used synthetic benchmarks, in ways that are not reflective of actual game optimizations, count as "intentionally misrepresenting their product"? (Note that this is a non-partisian flame, both leading-edge video-card companies have done this at some time in their past.)

I would also argue that it most certainly does help companies to become "big and successful".
Originally posted by: Rollo
You're also wrong about me and video playback/encoding. I just bought my first dvd burner, a Plextor ConvertX box for VIVO, a Creative Labs Zen Media center which I'm going to load with video instead of MP3, and I still own a 6800 in one of my computers for that matter. I have as much stake in this as most, probably more than many.
It just seems strange to read that from you, after reading that only 1% (the remainder from the other 99%) of people purchased 6800 AGP cards for their PVP-related functionality. Some people consider it more along the lines of a 50/50 or at least 60/40 split, hardware 3D and advanced hardware video-processing.
 

PizzaYummy

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Well I tried the 6703 driver and it does not help video in any way without that dvd cdecoder and I have no idea if it helps with the DVD decoder. I tried taking SS but I cant take a SS of the video playing.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Dance around it all you like, but a company exists to make money for its owners. Your reference to Enron makes no sense, I didn't say steal money for it's owners, I said make money for it's owners.
So if a company advertises a "sub-compact car", and I pay money for it, and they hand me a skateboard instead, claiming that "it still has four wheels", and "it still rolls down the street", and "well, it IS smaller than a full-size car", then that is legitimate? They shouldn't have to make right and replace the skateboard with a functioning car? Even if it was due to an "error in their advertising"? Oh, that's right, a purchaser of goods, is not qualified to make a determination of "false advertising", unless they are also a lawyer, right Rollo?
:roll:

(And how is that not "stealing", then? Fraud is a form of stealing. False advertising is a form of fraud.)
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Well, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

I honestly thought they'd have some sort of encode/decode acceleration for WMV9, guess I shouldn't have taken the "GeForce 6 series gpus" on those documents to mean "not AGP 6800s".

Sorry if I gave any of you false hope. :(
Well, you're wrong. :p

But I give you credit for owning up to it.

It all looks pretty-much like I expected, no hardware-accelerated decode support for WMV stuff on 6800 AGP, and that "advanced post-processing" (spacial-temporal de-interlace support), is probably just using the shaders to filter the video using VMR9 mode, which is what the NVDVD decoder codec stuff should do, looks like they moved some of that support into the drivers. Guess they couldn't even figure out how to 'wrastle' shader-supported hardware decode, must not have enough MIPS even on a might 6800 GPU, or they didn't think that it would have been worth the R&D effort financially.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone from NVidia - here's your lump of coal, you naughty little 6800 AGP buyers you! :p
 

rbV5

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From the looks of the new "Pure Video" campaign, it looks like the PVP "at best" will be a mere shadow of what it was going to be.....even going forward. What a disappointment and waste of die space:(
 

LoneWolf15

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Originally posted by: Electric Mayhem
I'll have to check this out. I just bought a Gigabyte 6800NU last week (hoping a fix was going to happen) and it arrived today. I also got the NVDVD decoder on CD when I bought a Windows MCE2005 bundle from pcalchemy.com. I'll be putting my first ever system together tonight (from scratch: A64 3200, ASUS A8V) and I'll see what happens....

If this is important to you, don't open that card. RMA it now, while you still can avoid restocking fees, and get a 6600GT AGP instead.

I'm already planning on looking into whether I can return my 6800; if I can't return it without a restocking fee, I'll likely wait until ATI has a card I want, and their patches in place to support their hardware decoding, and then you'll see my 6800 on Ebay.

 

VoBoy

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: LoneWolf15
We'll see what happens. In the meantime, I've submitted the Geforce 6's onboard video processor for "Vaporware of the Year 2004" award to Wired Magazine
On the other hand, Wired published several articles strongely suggesting that the "fr33 1P0ds" thing was legit...

the ipod thing is legit. i did it. i got it. i sold it. and now im waiting for new beta drivers to come out.
 

McArra

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I'm really disapointed with what I'm seeing in AT review of Pure Video... hope it gets better with the time... and of course I'm not going to pay to use something I already bought :|
 

dacull

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On my gainward 6800 2400 Ultra box it clearly says

"4. Accelerated video playback with enhanced motion compensation in hardware"

In several other places it mentions hardware video decoding for different streams.. I wonder if that is misadvertising. It's even on their webpage still.

http://www.gainward.com/html/p.../6800GT/2400tvdvi2.htm

Instead of trying to be sold a software product from Nvidia I want some acknowledgement that the hardware I was sold does not perform as advertised (I dont think they will do that of course).

Its the classic Wookie defence isn't it peeps

:roll:
 

imported_magicp

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This really sucks. I mean, I already own the Nvidia DVD decoder for my Media Center 2005 machine, but this sucks that I would have had to pay for it to get the features I was told I would have when I bought the card.

The Decoder has been working really well for me too, so I don't mind, but for the rest who were told it came with the card, and now they are making you pay for it, you guys got screwed, big time.
 

epking

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Originally posted by: Demons
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS... I guess I should have bought the 6600GT instead of going all out and getting the 6800 GT.... This is total crap... I don't understand how nVidia can get away with this... who knows maybe they wont... Sorry everyone... I needed to vent and didn't know where else to do it... I guess I'll call eVGA and yell at them. :(

P.S. in case anyone doesn't know what I am ranting about... nVidia has made their offical announcement reguarding the WMV9 hardware decoding on the 6800 cards and none of the 6800 cards except the PCI-E standard 6800 (non ultra and GT) and 6800 LE. I guess I'm SOL with my APG 6800 GT. See the link here.

don't apologize brother, we're all upset about this...well most of us anyways.:roll: you have a perfect right to be disapointed. If you're like me, and bought the card for HTPC/video playback,recording,editing in particular....then you are especially disgusted. Hell, anyone who wants good video playback performance in general got screwed over. And that does not even get into the whole issue about .wmv acceleration that was promised and then we were reassured it would work with new drivers, then slowly but surely, Nvidia totally renigged.
Also, what about the much vaunted hardware encoding features? What about divx? What about Nvidia after we had bought into their whole 6800 advertising campaign, and chose to purchase the 6800 over the x800 because of the on chip video processor....well, after a $300,400,$500 investment, they say a few months later(after much doublespeak and dodging the issue)....Oh yeah, to get this to work, you have to buy Media Center Edition, or our DVD encoders, and btw, .WMV acceleration works, but doesn't work as good as we expected on the 6800series? WTF is all of that? How is that for a company acting responsibly and honest advertising? If you notice now, .wmv hardware accel is completely absent from the "pure video feature set on the 6800series. Top to bottom, This whole affair has been, and continues to be, slimy, and dishonest... pure and simple....and what this driver fix, and this whole "pure video" affair has all been about is known as a business practicing the....CYA principle....."Covering Your ASS"

So, The way I see it, not only the people who bought the cards for the on chip video processor...but really, anyone who bought them paid for these features in a very real way. Essentially, they were part of the price of the card..and these features were undelivered. Moreover, anyone who cares about companies in general acting responsibly, well this issue ought to mean something to them as well. The more companies that get away with this sort of thing, the more the consumer gets screwed. If ATI or Intel or any hardware company starts to consistently and actively market features and yet not deliver them...other hardware companies will soon realize there is no accountability, and they can get away with virtually anything they want. And, Despite People like Rollo telling us to shutup and go whine somewhere else....silence can indeed go a long way towards customers NOT getting what they paid for, and NOT getting what they were promised. The simple fact is, the silence of consumers is the very thing that helps companies get away with dishonesty like this. Whats encouraging though, is there are still a helluva lot of people around here to give them the HELL they deserve!!
 

Spike

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My BFG 6800GT came with NVDVD and Anand said in the article comments that I can d/l the latest version and use the decoder. I cannot find how to update my NVDVD, when I go to "multimedia software", DVD decoder, it just says "media player - media center edition". Will this file update my current NVDVD? If not, how do I get the update for my player? Thanks

Anands comments:

Spike

I wasn't aware that the 6800s are coming with NVDVD, in that case you are good to go. Just download the updated version (1.00.67 is the official version) from the website.

Rand

The full system was configured as follows:

Intel Pentium 4 570J
Intel D915GUX Motherboard
2 x 512MB DDR2-533 DIMMs
Intel HD Audio Enabled

Windows XP SP2 w/ DX9c

Take care,
Anand
 

epking

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Originally posted by: Electric Mayhem
I'll have to check this out. I just bought a Gigabyte 6800NU last week (hoping a fix was going to happen) and it arrived today. I also got the NVDVD decoder on CD when I bought a Windows MCE2005 bundle from pcalchemy.com. I'll be putting my first ever system together tonight (from scratch: A64 3200, ASUS A8V) and I'll see what happens....

dude, do yourself a favor, if your going HTPC and windowsmedia center....run away from that 6800! Trust me on this.. Its horrible for video playback performance all around, its got fantastic IQ, but CPU usage will be utterly through the roof on virtually everything you do. I'm talking your video will stutter if you get an instant message, or your antivirus updates itself, or connecting to the internet and scrolling a web page..virtually, any small little thing. If possible, you should go with a 6600agp(which has the working Video processor), if that doesn't suit you as far as gaming, then pciexpress is the only way to go for Nvidia...in this situation, either 2xsli 6600gt's. Or maybe just buy one now one later. Actually, imo, your best option would be for a PCIX 6800std. (this is by far the best way to go...6800std pcix) Also, later, you could pair 2 of these 6800's in sli!!! These 6800std pci have all the Video Accelerated features of pure video, and you also get the nice gaming performance. Its an absolute fecking shame that one cannot use a 6600gt or 6800ultra AGP or PCIX for these purposes. So, if you must go Nvidia for HTPC, and you don't want to go to a PCI motherboard, then the 6600AGP is the way to go. If you can go PCIX, then I think the 6800std pcix, is the board you want to build your htpc around. Sorry if this is bad news, but trust me on this, I've been dealing with this for the last month...and that is really the only 2 viable solutions. I'm in the exact situation you are, except I can't return my card!!!:disgust: (PNY 6800std) I would go ATI, were it not for the extraordinary image quality of these 6800's for dvd/video playback....its just the cpu usage is outfeckinrageously high for HTPC. The other option would be x800pro, or X850, both of these would be fantastic options too...and would outperform any 6800agp series as far as video playback performance by a huge margin!!! It would be literally night and day. Imo, though, the IQ of the 6800 is significantly better...so...as I said...6600agp. Or, 6800pcix;)

to give you an idea about how bad the 6800agp's will perform as far as media playback and cpu usage....you would be better off with a 5900 or a 9800pro, even a ti4200 or 9700pro.
 

rbV5

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Anands comments:

Spike

I wasn't aware that the 6800s are coming with NVDVD, in that case you are good to go. Just download the updated version (1.00.67 is the official version) from the website.

Anand is incorrect. NVDVD is not the same as Nvidia DVD decoders, you cannot upgrade NVDVD to the new decoders, you must pay for them.
 

Genx87

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This doesnt look good for nvidia at all.

In fact this has class action lawsuit written all over it.
 

Spike

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Anands comments:

Spike

I wasn't aware that the 6800s are coming with NVDVD, in that case you are good to go. Just download the updated version (1.00.67 is the official version) from the website.

Anand is incorrect. NVDVD is not the same as Nvidia DVD decoders, you cannot upgrade NVDVD to the new decoders, you must pay for them.

Sad... I was hoping I could get the acceleration with paying the stupid $20 for it. Well, whens the lawsuit going to be filed? Sign me up... especially if it will mean I can get something back...

-spike
 

epking

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Anands comments:

Spike

I wasn't aware that the 6800s are coming with NVDVD, in that case you are good to go. Just download the updated version (1.00.67 is the official version) from the website.

Anand is incorrect. NVDVD is not the same as Nvidia DVD decoders, you cannot upgrade NVDVD to the new decoders, you must pay for them.

yep, spike is right here. You probably have an older version of NVDVD that was packaged with your card. Its not upgradable with these codecs...lol...even if you buy them. So, the thing to do is just uninstall the nvdvd program...you probably have a 2.XXX something version. Anyways, its no good with these codecs. Its explained better actually on the decoder purchase page faqs on nvidia. Anyways, these codecs are standalone, they really don't come with an official program to play dvd's with. You buy them, and then are supposed to settle with using WMP10 to play dvds through..which is completely lame imo. There is a secret dvd player bundled with the codecs called nstant.exe, its actually pretty cool, have a look. I fool around with it fullscreen on my HDTV. But the best program for these codecs, imo, is ZoomPlayer...which is totally free. With zoomplayer, you can configure it to use any dvd codec you wish...so i go back and forth depending on what i feel like, sometimes windvd6, sometimes elecard, sometimes sonic, sometimes..powerdvd6. The best codecs by far though are these Nvidia codecs, so I highly recommend them. Second best, if not their equal, are the free dscaler5 codecs. As i said, all of these can be configured and played through zoomplayer, so give it a go if you want. One more thing, there is some compatibility with the nvidia codecs with a program called Forceware Media, which is a media center All in one PVR type program, its packaged with 5700 cinema cards....and one can use these codecs with that. Its pretty cool actually, but I don;t bother with it personally. YOu can't buy it standalone..you'd have to find it from alternate means.
 
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this is just gay....oh yes it works nicely on the 6600's.....but still NV40 and NV45 are unable to do WMV9 decode accleration! gits. why dont they just admit that NV40 is just completely retarded when it comes to encoding/decoding....my 9500pro is better at everything video than this 6800gt

seems i payed for 20million transistors that are just gonna sit there twiddling their thumbs......i payed 300 for 222million so nvidia owe me £27.02

i really just hope that nv can get some sort of DIVX or XVID encode/ decode going least then id be content.
 
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am i reading this right? u have to pay ffor the decoders to get most of the functionality they enabled?

if its that way then fvck em, cheap b@stards....

1)pimp the pvp
2)????????
3)profit
4)stay quiet while everyones pissed theres no pvp
5)partially enable pvp
6)charge people for this feature...again even tho they already payed in money and time
7)????????
8)profit again!

seriously nv have made a good gpu, but have totally shot them selves in the foot with this limp d!ick of a PVP my one and only reasons for buying nv this time round were 1) the good performance in games 2) the PVP

so far NV have only delivered half...i coul dof got the same if not better performance from ATI and at least they offer DIVX post processing

my moneys goin the red team next time
 

epking

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my 9500pro is better at everything video than this 6800gt

yes, exactly.

i really just hope that nv can get some sort of DIVX or XVID encode/ decode going least then id be content.

don't hold your breath;) I won't be holding mine. BTW, all mention of divx just disapeared from radar in nvidia's press releases.
 

epking

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Spike

I wasn't aware that the 6800s are coming with NVDVD, in that case you are good to go. Just download the updated version (1.00.67 is the official version) from the website.

Rand

The full system was configured as follows

spike, some manufactures are packaging nvdvd, but afaik its the old un-upgradeable version. My version is some crap 2.37 version from 2 years ago or something..

If the old version wasn't compatible with these new codecs, fine, but there really shouldn't be any reason why Nvidia doesn;t just allow former owners to download a new compatible player and codecs, i mean god, how hard would that be? I suspect the reason why is they would much rather make the $19.99, obviously....and also..they don't package their own official program because of deals with TheaterTek and Microsoft Windows MediaPlayer. I suspect such licensing deals were more lucrative than selling a standalone player. But, god, people who already own and have paid for the bloody thing, why not give them an upgradeable version, or a way to run these codecs without charge. Thats bullchit.