Yes you have a "right" to expect things you purchase to work as advertised when you buy a product .
Why don't you return the card?
Yes you have a "right" to expect things you purchase to work as advertised when you buy a product .
Why don't you return the card?
LoneWolf15
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yep, and then chances are I get to pay a restocking fee for buying something that didn't work as advertised. My point is, I shouldn't have to go through the process of purchasing something based on a promise if the promise is false. Now I'm the one put out by misleading PR, not nVidia who put it out in the first place.
Why would you have to pay a restocking fee for something that doesn't work as advertised?
Whether you should or shouldn't have to go through this, the fact is you are. Sometimes in life things don't work out the way we plan.
You can be a man and return your card and buy one you like better, you can decide the one you have is the best deal for the money, or you can whine like a little kid who lost at kickball.
Not much point in the last, the first two are pretty good alternatives though.
yeah, not to mention 99% of stores out there have a 2 week return policy on computer hardware. Moreover, we have been lied to and mislead by Nvidia, and certain clowns who claim a fix is coming, and there is really nothing wrong with our cards ect...So any customer with an open mind has gone well beyond the return point, in just keeping an open mind and giving Nvidia a chance. What 8 months now? They only admitted something was wrong around month 6.:roll: The fact is, 99% of us here, can't return these cards.
So, enter Captain Nvidia of Anandtech, inserting himself into a thread that he has no business in other than to flame...he said the issue "isn't important to him, and we all need to shutup and wait". .:roll: So, At first Rollo's position was "There's nothing wrong", and he attacked anyone who said otherwise. Next, its "we are over reacting, Its not something anyone should care about anyways." And he attacked anyone who had negative comments toward Nvidia. Then he tells us to "stop complaining, and we are only out to get something for free." Then, its "have faith in himself and his insider info and Nvidia's driver dept, because rest assured a fix is coming." When you say? Its coming Nov. 1,...... then the end of November,.... then December 20th. Now he has a new tact, its well...."ATI's card is no better". :roll: And just now, when cornered with the same direct question that he's tried to dodge 3 times now......its "return the card." :roll:
So, what it boils down to is this, He basically will say or believe anything, other than Nvidia could possibly be at fault here. And, that is exactly what fanboys do. As i said about 50 posts ago, "Rollo is the quintessence of a fanboy." He supports Nvidia 100% of the time. Does anyone think Nvidia and their PR dept, are in the right 100% of the time? When I say anyone, I mean anyone except Rollo, of course.
yeah yeah, I know Rollo, you just bought an 800Xt...so, I couldn't possibly be right here..lol
yeah, I'm sure Newegg, or whoever be will glad to take everyone's card that they've had 2,3,4,5,6, months. Keep coming up with all these excuses for Nvidia, Rollo...it keeps getting better:laugh:
I'll save you the time of you're next excuse..."well sell it on ebay then." Yeah, thats a great alternative, perfectly fair to us consumers who got screwed. :roll:
How bout you be a man, and stop defending the indefensible, only because you happen to be a fan of the company? How about that Rollo?
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The un-returnability of the cards to their original retailers, is pretty-much moot at this point, no company in their right mind would take them back(*), especially with the next "refresh" right around the corner. They would probably assume that the customers were just making excuses to return it and get credit towards the "next big card". So no way in heck would they do that, unless: 1) NV themselves authorized it, and offered them some sort of mfg credit scheme, or 2) pending the results of a legal judgement from a lawsuit. That's the only way that I see it happening, and it would more than likely take #2 to cause #1 to happen anyways.
(*) EVGA has or had some sort of "trade-up" program, if that's still in effect, then EVGA-brand owners might have an "out" for this problem. As for the others, who knows. Good luck.
As far as Rollo, well, I've flamed him a bit in this thread, but I do honestly believe that he probably does have some "informal inside contacts" at NV, and he probably did get to see some pre-release information. I personally question whether or not that fix is in fact a true fix, based on everything else. I think that the hardware is not fine, and it's probably going to be some shader workaround. That's probably acceptable to 90% of the users that simply want some WMV-HD acceleration, but it's still not quite "making things right". (It would be like Intel supplying a software FPU emulator, that runs on the integer portion of the CPU, for those Pentiums with broken FDIV opcodes, instead of simply replacing the chips.... actually, initially, that WAS the original proposed workaround, but there was such an outcry, that they were finally forced to recall and replace the chips. I'm still somewhat hopeful, that if it is proven that the PVP is defective or otherwise not up to the specs that it was advertised under, then NV should be forced to provide a working HARDWARE replacement. Anything else would be unethical.)
Don't give him any ideas.. if this thread gets made into a saturday-morning cartoon... I'm outta here.. nah, aww heck, ok, on one condition, I get to be the Eggplant Wizard, ok?
You can be the Eggplant Wizard as far as I'm concerned, VL. 
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".
I do want some ATI team membership too though, loving my X800XT PE so far and have given ATI enough $1000s over the last five years or so that I should get at least "ATI Sgt. of AnandTech".
Have a look here: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20298
It's about the new Pure-Video-Drivers, now also The Inquirer reports they will be available tomorrow.
However, they believe the video support will only work for 6600 cards, not for 6800 cards (NV40)...
Great!!!
It's about the new Pure-Video-Drivers, now also The Inquirer reports they will be available tomorrow.
However, they believe the video support will only work for 6600 cards, not for 6800 cards (NV40)...
Great!!!
LoneWolf15
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We'll see what happens. In the meantime, I've submitted the Geforce 6's onboard video processor for "Vaporware of the Year 2004" award to Wired Magazine, mentioning several web threads, the Maximum PC article, and some of the pertinent information. Others who would like to do so can here:
http://www.wired.com/news/cult...0.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
I would recommend pointing out that while the Geforce 6 GPU's are a reality, that the advertised feature of the product has never been available, and may never be. Post links to online publications and message threads to support your statement and keep your message to the point without flaming. Perhaps we can get Wired to take a look into this.
http://www.wired.com/news/cult...0.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
I would recommend pointing out that while the Geforce 6 GPU's are a reality, that the advertised feature of the product has never been available, and may never be. Post links to online publications and message threads to support your statement and keep your message to the point without flaming. Perhaps we can get Wired to take a look into this.
No! If Wired looks into this, the doors at nVidia will be shut by 2005! We'l have to pay whatever ATI wants, and the 99.99% of people who bought these cards to play games with rather than watch trailers off MSs site will be sad!
LOL
LoneWolf15
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Rollo, I've managed to talk to you without laughing, flaming, or being a jerk. Maybe you should consider affording me the same respect. I haven't given you grief, and I haven't gotten into a flame war with you.
That said, we know your opinion. You've told me I can bring back my card, which isn't as easy as you make it out to be, and may hurt the manufacturer but doesn't make a dime's worth of difference to nVidia. And if everyone followed your suggestions, nVidia would be free to repeat this with their next round of cards, falsely advertising features, and then duping customers again. Frankly, you've had nothing helpful to say for some time now, and now that you own an ATI card, I don't see any need for your comments on a situation that frankly, no longer involves you, and appears never to have involved you since apparently video playback isn't that important to you, nor is hardware video encoding, another pretty big feature that some of us enthusiasts could use.
I have one avenue open to me that I see as a useful one for achieving my goal (to get an advertised feature working in a product I own) and that's the press. Which, by the way has helped in a lot of other situations, such as IBM Deskstar hard disks, the Iomega Zip click-of-death fiasco, and many others. If you can't respect me using the options I have open to me to raise the attention of a problem I feel is important, then perhaps you should consider an old phrase "Speak fitly, or be silent wisely". You've already told me I have the right to be upset about a product that is falsely advertised. I just disagree with you on methods for resolving the problem.
You are right Lone Wolf, and I apologize. I thought it was a little extreme to call the 6800 series "Vaporware of the Year" because a. to most people who bought it, the PVP doesn't matter at all b. even to those is does, the card still has 99% of it's advertised functionality, today.
To call it "Vaporware of the Year" because it's not delivering on a little used video format is pretty much hyperbole, IMO?
I'd call that "speaking fitly"- it's more likely the 6800 series would win "Product of the Year" the vast majority of people love it.
You're wrong if you think taking your card back for the PVP not functioning wouldn't affect nVidia- you don't think the manufacturer would go to nVidia?
You're also wrong about nVidia intentionally "duping" consumers. It may well be that an error somewhere in the design or manufacturing process reduces the PVP capabilities of the 6800s, but you're not very business saavy if you think that was intentional. Companies don't get as big or successful as nVidia has by intentionally misrepresenting their product.
You're also wrong about me and video playback/encoding. I just bought my first dvd burner, a Plextor ConvertX box for VIVO, a Creative Labs Zen Media center which I'm going to load with video instead of MP3, and I still own a 6800 in one of my computers for that matter. I have as much stake in this as most, probably more than many.
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If nVidia was as concerned with serving their customers as I think they ought to be, they'd have already taken down their .PDF on their website, and made a separate one for the Geforce 6800 clearly stating its capabilities, and one for the Geforce 6600, 6200, whatever. Instead, I have downloaded to my desktop, still available right now on their website, a .PDF that tells me the Geforce 6 series has a ton of features, including its dedicated on-chip video processor --but neglects to mention that that processor is not currently enabled in the drivers, much less when it will be. I'm not talking about whether this was done with malice aforethought --what I'm saying is, the PR on nVidia's website is a misrepresentation of what their product is actually capable of when placed in the hands of the consumer. Misrepresentation of one's product, whether deliberately or through negligence, is still false advertising. I don't believe nVidia set out to break the PVP, that makes no sense. Assuming the PVP is broken on the Geforce 6800, I do believe that once they found out it was broken, they failed to provide the customer with proper communication about the issue, or provide an opportunity for redress. If the PVP is not broken, I believe nVidia has done their customers a disservice by not communicating effectively, and by not delivering on a feature they advertised at the release of the card.
I wasn't calling the Geforce 6 Series as a whole "Vaporware of the Year", I was calling the onboard Video Processor portion vaporware. Vaporware because the Geforce 6800 has been on the market for six months now. Six months is a lot of time in a graphics card's lifecycle, where going from top-shelf to mainstream to reasonable bargain card takes around two years tops; 25% seems like a long time to me for people who have owned one of these cards since day one. And, I do think that taking my card back for the PVP not functioning would affect nVidia much --because nVidia would never know why I brought it back, or even THAT I brought it back, unless I personally contacted them (and you're assuming that any vendor will take my "The Video Processor isn't working" as their problem, rather than charging me a restocking fee, plus you're forgetting the people who cannot return their cards due to trusting nVidia to fix the problem). I've personally contacted such companies before, and in most cases, I've not gotten so much as a reply back, or I've gotten the standard form-letter CYA reply stating something along the lines of "We don't really think anything is wrong, but the matter is being looked into" or "We will be implementing that feature in the near future"(Their communiques so far to the media have been good examples of that). In my opinion, to make a difference in this case, I need fellow owners of Geforce 6 technology who are just as upset as I am, helping to bring this issue into the spotlight. One person is a drop...many people are enough to fill the bucket. If nVidia produces drivers that help us all on the 20th, I can't help but think that "that bucket" is largely responsible through the pressure they've exerted, and I'll be satisfied knowing that.
We'll see tomorrow what nVidia provides its customers; and if it fails to provide features it advertised, what sort of redress it allows. If that redress is none, I think it's fair for us to push the issue. As I said before, I only want them to fix the problem, and I feel it's reasonable for me to expect them to do that.
I wasn't calling the Geforce 6 Series as a whole "Vaporware of the Year", I was calling the onboard Video Processor portion vaporware. Vaporware because the Geforce 6800 has been on the market for six months now. Six months is a lot of time in a graphics card's lifecycle, where going from top-shelf to mainstream to reasonable bargain card takes around two years tops; 25% seems like a long time to me for people who have owned one of these cards since day one. And, I do think that taking my card back for the PVP not functioning would affect nVidia much --because nVidia would never know why I brought it back, or even THAT I brought it back, unless I personally contacted them (and you're assuming that any vendor will take my "The Video Processor isn't working" as their problem, rather than charging me a restocking fee, plus you're forgetting the people who cannot return their cards due to trusting nVidia to fix the problem). I've personally contacted such companies before, and in most cases, I've not gotten so much as a reply back, or I've gotten the standard form-letter CYA reply stating something along the lines of "We don't really think anything is wrong, but the matter is being looked into" or "We will be implementing that feature in the near future"(Their communiques so far to the media have been good examples of that). In my opinion, to make a difference in this case, I need fellow owners of Geforce 6 technology who are just as upset as I am, helping to bring this issue into the spotlight. One person is a drop...many people are enough to fill the bucket. If nVidia produces drivers that help us all on the 20th, I can't help but think that "that bucket" is largely responsible through the pressure they've exerted, and I'll be satisfied knowing that.
We'll see tomorrow what nVidia provides its customers; and if it fails to provide features it advertised, what sort of redress it allows. If that redress is none, I think it's fair for us to push the issue. As I said before, I only want them to fix the problem, and I feel it's reasonable for me to expect them to do that.
LoneWolf:
"False advertising" is a legal term, are you a lawyer whose evaluation of this situation allows you to state there is "false advertising" going on here?
Can you state unequivocally, and back your statement with facts, that the PVP in the 6800 series is not programmable in nature and doesn't need software to utilize it's functionality? Or that the second generation processor in the 6600 series wasn't designed to meet software specs after they became known?
Can you define the functionality that was promised, for each video format?
Have you taken any elementary level business courses at a college LoneWolf? Do you understand that a corporation only has one mission- to make money for it's stockholders? What if there WAS an error in the advertising at nVidia? It would be sort of contradictory to the one goal to start handing out money to thousands of people, don't you think? If you were nVidia, wouldn't you do whatever you could to avoid losing your stockholders and employees money? To you, this issue is a piddly $300 video card, a weeks wages at McDonalds. To nVidia, this issue is millions of dollars. Gee, why the heck don't they just give us all free fixed cards?!!?
The naivete' of many of you boggles my mind. If you're a kid, you're entitled. If you're a man who went to college this whole situation should seem pretty logical to you, no matter what is going on. (PVP broken, PVP needs software, whatever)
You say you've dealt with me "fairly" and haven't "laughed at me". Why don't you very carefully consider what I've written above and tell me if you should be laughing at me.
The fact of the matter is, the odds are you're not a lawyer capable of commenting on "false advertising" or an engineer capable of evaluating the hardware in question. I'm not either, but at least I'm smart enough to know a bit about how business works and acknowledge that I don't have the answers here and am not qualified to find them.
That's more than some of you seem to be capable of.
"False advertising" is a legal term, are you a lawyer whose evaluation of this situation allows you to state there is "false advertising" going on here?
Can you state unequivocally, and back your statement with facts, that the PVP in the 6800 series is not programmable in nature and doesn't need software to utilize it's functionality? Or that the second generation processor in the 6600 series wasn't designed to meet software specs after they became known?
Can you define the functionality that was promised, for each video format?
Have you taken any elementary level business courses at a college LoneWolf? Do you understand that a corporation only has one mission- to make money for it's stockholders? What if there WAS an error in the advertising at nVidia? It would be sort of contradictory to the one goal to start handing out money to thousands of people, don't you think? If you were nVidia, wouldn't you do whatever you could to avoid losing your stockholders and employees money? To you, this issue is a piddly $300 video card, a weeks wages at McDonalds. To nVidia, this issue is millions of dollars. Gee, why the heck don't they just give us all free fixed cards?!!?
The naivete' of many of you boggles my mind. If you're a kid, you're entitled. If you're a man who went to college this whole situation should seem pretty logical to you, no matter what is going on. (PVP broken, PVP needs software, whatever)
You say you've dealt with me "fairly" and haven't "laughed at me". Why don't you very carefully consider what I've written above and tell me if you should be laughing at me.
The fact of the matter is, the odds are you're not a lawyer capable of commenting on "false advertising" or an engineer capable of evaluating the hardware in question. I'm not either, but at least I'm smart enough to know a bit about how business works and acknowledge that I don't have the answers here and am not qualified to find them.
That's more than some of you seem to be capable of.
nice comments lonewolf. but you might as well be speaking to a brick wall when it comes to Rollo.
Comments like this :
The issue is much more profound than playing trailers on M$'s WinHD site. And rollo knows this...he just refuses to admit it. The fact is, this issue affects basic video use, and if a person bought this card with video playback uses in mind, these 6800 cards are profoundly impacted. The inquirer article actually sums up the issue fairly well, and in very simple terms "I hope that it will lower CPU utilisation when you watch video files as it's now at a horribly high rate. People who have 6800 series of cards claim that CPU utilisation goes up to 70 per cent(its actually a hell of a lot higher in many a circumstance) when watching video content. Usually it sits at less than ten per cent. " As I and others have mentioned, watching a dvd in high quality mode, and then getting an Instant message, can bog down and stutter the video on these $400plus cards. There are hundreds of more examples of how everyday use is negatively impacted. If you bought the card for videoplayback in mind, such issues are a big deal, whether it is or not to a fanboy like Rollo.
So, Rollo continually minimizes the issue to something like...Oh well, its no big deal, I don't care about playing the T2 extreme trailer anyways.... such comments are absurd understatements, and he does this for a reason. He'd rather not come to the conclusion that Nvidia is at fault, nor recognize that our greifs are legitimate. I'm not sure if its because a) he is such a fanboy of Nvidia, that he can not possibly allow for them harming customers or doing wrong....or b)whether he is so self involved, and so nearsighted, that he cannot recognize other people may have different habits, and uses for their 6800 series cards, and they could not possibly have bought them for any other reason than he himself did.
I must say, I think its a combination of the two, and in both cases, it's pretty sad for a grown man to suffer from. One, for a grown man to ignore the truth and the reality of this matter, all because he adores a graphics card company for god's sakes. Secondly, the nearsightedness, and self centeredness, that would come from not recognizing the legitimacy of other people's uses for the card that differs from his own, nor recognizing that there are people out there that are different from him, and as such, have different needs and uses for their cards. Ie: people bought these cards for the video processor, or with the video processor as a major contributing factor. The fact that he, himself may not have, should not disguise the fact that other people have other uses....and these uses are just as important to other people, as the one's he bought his card for. To ignore such things, is the height of immaturity, and nearsightedness.....and is just the sort of worldview a child has....most people grow out of it....rollo hasn't.
Comments like this :
are the hyperbolic nonsense of someone who intentionally seeks to minimize the issue. actually, they would be more gross "understatement"...not sure if there is a word for that. anyways, nothing you said was overstating the case. The video processor to this point has indeed been vaporware, and Nvidia have employed all kinds of misinformation to cover their arses.
The issue is much more profound than playing trailers on M$'s WinHD site. And rollo knows this...he just refuses to admit it. The fact is, this issue affects basic video use, and if a person bought this card with video playback uses in mind, these 6800 cards are profoundly impacted. The inquirer article actually sums up the issue fairly well, and in very simple terms "I hope that it will lower CPU utilisation when you watch video files as it's now at a horribly high rate. People who have 6800 series of cards claim that CPU utilisation goes up to 70 per cent(its actually a hell of a lot higher in many a circumstance) when watching video content. Usually it sits at less than ten per cent. " As I and others have mentioned, watching a dvd in high quality mode, and then getting an Instant message, can bog down and stutter the video on these $400plus cards. There are hundreds of more examples of how everyday use is negatively impacted. If you bought the card for videoplayback in mind, such issues are a big deal, whether it is or not to a fanboy like Rollo.
So, Rollo continually minimizes the issue to something like...Oh well, its no big deal, I don't care about playing the T2 extreme trailer anyways.... such comments are absurd understatements, and he does this for a reason. He'd rather not come to the conclusion that Nvidia is at fault, nor recognize that our greifs are legitimate. I'm not sure if its because a) he is such a fanboy of Nvidia, that he can not possibly allow for them harming customers or doing wrong....or b)whether he is so self involved, and so nearsighted, that he cannot recognize other people may have different habits, and uses for their 6800 series cards, and they could not possibly have bought them for any other reason than he himself did.
I must say, I think its a combination of the two, and in both cases, it's pretty sad for a grown man to suffer from. One, for a grown man to ignore the truth and the reality of this matter, all because he adores a graphics card company for god's sakes.
Secondly, the nearsightedness, and self centeredness, that would come from not recognizing the legitimacy of other people's uses for the card that differs from his own, nor recognizing that there are people out there that are different from him, and as such, have different needs and uses for their cards. Ie: people bought these cards for the video processor, or with the video processor as a major contributing factor. The fact that he, himself may not have, should not disguise the fact that other people have other uses....and these uses are just as important to other people, as the one's he bought his card for. To ignore such things, is the height of immaturity, and nearsightedness.....and is just the sort of worldview a child has....most people grow out of it....rollo hasn't. Look, with anything, its perfectly fine to not share the same opinion as someone, or in this case, maybe not value the same features on the 6800. It would be perfectly normal for someone not to care about the video processor as much as some of us in this thread do. But one would think, the reasonable and mature person would say something like this.... "Well, I don't personally miss the feature very much, but yeah, it was marketed with the card, and you guys bought the card for this feature, or at least in part for this feature, so I can see why you guys are pissed off. Good luck getting something done about it." In fact, plenty of people earlier in this thread said exactly that. One would think or like to think, that is the sort of opinion you'd give about any disagreement like this. ie: "Yeah, its not important to me, but if it is to you, good luck, hope something gets resolved." But Rollo is neither mature, nor reasonable when it comes to Nvidia. He is threatened when people say something negative towards his graphics card maker of choice...lol...sounds ridiculous doesn't it? and he has consistently lacked any sort of abilities to see anything outside of his own little Nvidia-centric, Rollo-centric world. Nobody else's uses for the card are important if they differ from his, and if he doesn't value a feature....then how could that possibly be important to anyone else?? Moreover, he defends Nvidia in every thread in this place, and lashes out anytime someone has a negative comment to say. These thought processes are the inner workings of a fanboy folks....and Rollo is Captain Nvidia of Anandtech.
I'll answer that for him. YES!
Second...you're chiding him about business? after that discombombulated bunch of nonsense....look...everything you say or do in this thread is in defense of Nvidia:roll:;
When you were pushed, and after the evidence in this thread was insurmountable, you finally admitted that Nvidia have not delivered what they promised.:brokenheart: Moreover, you admitted after having dodged it three times, that we as customers do have a right to expect what was promised to us. So which is more reasonable course of action, to try and get some sort of accountability from the company like Lonewolf and a bunch of us have done? Or to unconditionally support said company, when you yourself have admitted they didn't deliver? And to attack anyone who has the audacity to demand they get what they were sold when they bought the product? I think most people would say, yours is the inconsistent unreasonable position here Rollo.
As for your business knowledge, spare us any more Rollo theorems. Take this ludicrous bit of logic:
The fact that businesses are in business to make money is a given. Only a simpleton would bother mentioning it. Apparently those elementary business classes didn't touch on the whole issue of customer satisfaction, and customer relations.Gee, maybe the advanced issue of customer satisfaction, and the reputation of the company name are handled in those advanced level courses...maybe grad school stuff:laugh:
Anyways, If there is a product flaw, or a nonworking feature of any product, reputable companies make amends. Whether that be a recall, or repair, or refund, they take action to get the situation fixed. This would rarely involve handing out money as you say.....everyone knows this, nobody is expecting this...But reputable companies have recalls, or repair said products at their own expense, and if they can't repair it, they replace the product at their own expense. Why would so many company's do such a crazy thing Rollo?????? You so profoundly said they were in the business of making money...Why in the world would companies do such things? Are you denying such things occur? OF course not, not unless you care to insult the intelligence of everyone in this thread. So, if companies do consistently make amends...make repairs, replace product, replace or fix the non-working features....I GUESS THESE COMPANIES NEVER TOOK THE SAME BUSINESS COURSES AS THE MIGHTY ROLLO, WITH HIS TOWERING INTELLECT. That said, if a company refused to admit a product flaw, or did everything to coverup such flaws, then said company would be unethical in that respect, and that company's good name would be sullied as a result. Now, it is true, that a company may weight the negative impact on its reputation, and how that would affect its bottom line, in relation to how much the recall would cost ect... no doubt, that is all taken into account, and a company may make its decision based on that. However, it is a fact that the companys that are reputable, and would do the right thing everytime, and are willing to sacrifice their bottom line in certain situations, are the ones that customers keep coming back to. That is why companies invest so much in customer satisfaction programs and reputation. It is even why, in certain circumstances that companies even give money back....yes Rollo, they might even give money back. That might be a little above your head though....and I don't want you to think I lack business knowledge....so don't hold me to that one. Now, it is also a fact, that The ones who screw people over, if there is any competition to speak of, well these companies are not around very long. So for you, Rollo, to hold LoneWolf and others in this thread to account, and call him Naive for expecting Nvidia to deliver on an undelivered promise.....and to make whats broken right.... well for you to call him naive and absurd, that is just despicable, and it shows how simple-minded you are more than anything. And not suprisingly, it is just the sort of ignorance and simple-mindedness we have consistently been getting from you Rollo....
BTW, why is it you keep bringing up college education over and over in this thread? You know, I'd bet virtually everyone of us have college degrees, if not advanced degrees. I have found however, that the people who don't, are just the sort that manage to bring it up in every instance....because they are naturally insecure about it. Same thing with the laughably pitiful IQ thing you'd brought up earlier. I'd venture a guess, that based on your comments about college this college that....you never finished. LOL...virtually everyone in this thread probably has a degree, yet for some reason they don't intentionally work it into every thread.:disgust: The people who manage to talk about their education 10 times over, in a graphics card thread, well, maybe you have to wonder about.
also, this is pretty freakin funny as well:
Is this your new defense strategy now?..lol...you certainly have moved in a new direction then.. I see, so it wasn't a hardware mistake, rather they misprinted the advertising campaign or something...lol. I bet Nvidia couldn't even come up with that one.
I just got my MBA, and am going back to school to get a joint law degree. No business professor in their right mind teaches that a corporation's only mission is to make money for it's stockholder. With the Enron, and Worldcom ordeals....Corporate Responsibility has become one of EVERY company's major priorities.
You've got me there Govtcheez- a corporation's primary focus now is supplying customer satisfaction, at whatever the cost to the company. :roll:
Dance around it all you like, but a company exists to make money for its owners. Your reference to Enron makes no sense, I didn't say steal money for it's owners, I said make money for it's owners.
In any case, the point wasn't "companys should make money", the point was that as it's a companys primary mission to make money for stockholders, nVidia is probably doing what they can to limit expense to theirs. I was trying to explain to Lone Wolf there are other things corporations have to balance with customer satisfaction and that they may consider 6 months programming time for a partial fix preferable to losing millions of dollars. (and they may even have a full fix, I guess we'll know tomorrow)
You have a MBA, does this seem out of line to you? Do you think they "just haven't gotten around to the whole PVP issue"? Or that "they're just starting to look at it now due to righteous indignation on the bbs"?
Sure.
Has anyones tried the Nvidia DVD decoder?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/dvd_decoder_1.00.58.html
It claims hardware support for the GF6 series.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/dvd_decoder_1.00.58.html
It claims hardware support for the GF6 series.
yes, I'm using it slaimus, and it is worth the money. Its the best image quality on the market bar -none for any dvd decoder, and it does do acceleration, albeit not as low of cpu usages as one would expect. The only other comparable IQ wise would be the new dscaler5 codecs, and elecard codecs. These nvidia are best though paired with a 6800. They may even get better with the new drivers coming soon, but we shall see.
Anyways, apparently to get the acceleration to work if there ever is a fixx, one is gonna be required to buy the codecs anyways, so you might as well go ahead. Again, I think you will be real impressed with the image quality of these. Also, there is a cool program hidden in the codecs called nstant.exe Its a win media center type interface designed for viewing on your tv/hdtv, or you can just use it on your monitor. Anyways, it does actually have a basic soft dvd player packaged. I'm using zoomplayer and i configure it to use the nvidia codecs, and specialize the output ect, and then i upscale with ffdshow. If you just want to know the best settings for regular dvd playback, imo, nvidia software mode(non dx9 accelerated mode) looks best, with VPP(video post processing) This gives an absolutely marvelous image quality. You may get tearing in vmr9 mode, but you can tweak it to work around it. PM me if you need any pointers, I've been foolin about with these codecs nightly for the past couple of weeks. I'm no expert, but willing to help if anyone needs it.
Rollo I am not sure I can ever respect your statements again. You sure are being a real donkey.
BTW for what it is worth I wanted VPU and hardware acceleration. Do I play games? Yes. Did I mostly want it for games? Yes. Will I buy Nvidia again if they dont fix this issue? No.
@Slaimus:
I tested the nVidia-DVD-decoder as well, and it has no apparent MPEG4- or WMV9-acceleration at all. It may be a nice player otherwise, but that's it...
By the way: I haven't been reading Rollo's postings for some time now (just skipped them), and the first post I have read again (for a try) after a rather long time was useless once again...
I know that I'm just acting paradoxically (flaming against flaming), but well... At least the first part of this post is usefull...
Edit: Does someone know at what time (cet would be most welcome) nVidia usually does its press (and driver) releases?
I tested the nVidia-DVD-decoder as well, and it has no apparent MPEG4- or WMV9-acceleration at all. It may be a nice player otherwise, but that's it...
By the way: I haven't been reading Rollo's postings for some time now (just skipped them), and the first post I have read again (for a try) after a rather long time was useless once again...
I know that I'm just acting paradoxically (flaming against flaming), but well...
At least the first part of this post is usefull... Edit: Does someone know at what time (cet would be most welcome
) nVidia usually does its press (and driver) releases?i've never noticed a rhyme or reason to what time nvidia release their drivers. Hell, i say its 50/50ish if they release today. I might be wrong though, they may always come at a certain time, but i've never heard such a thing.
also, ice, have you noticed superior image quality with these nvidia codecs compared to say windvd6 or powerdvd6?
also, ice, have you noticed superior image quality with these nvidia codecs compared to say windvd6 or powerdvd6?
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