GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Spike
nVidia... FIX IT OR DIE!!!!

On a side note... what UW did you attend Rollo?

-spike

LOL at first.

UW Madison. I can honestly say I had a lot of fun there. (and learned a few things too)

Ah yes, my favorite school (could have something to do with my status as a student there. Ah well, back to studying for my final tomorrow.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: sparkyclarky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Spike
nVidia... FIX IT OR DIE!!!!

On a side note... what UW did you attend Rollo?

-spike

LOL at first.

UW Madison. I can honestly say I had a lot of fun there. (and learned a few things too)

Ah yes, my favorite school (could have something to do with my status as a student there. Ah well, back to studying for my final tomorrow.

How can you waste your time studying for finals when the PVP on 6800s isn't accelerating those MS tech demos?!?!?!
Shouldn't you be organizing a rally at the Library Mall, to march up State St to the Capital chanting "Give us 'Step Into Liquid' or give us death!"?

How can they even begin to think about a commuter rail to downtown when there are people who can't watch the T2 trailer at 19X12 while converting a database format and playing HL2 at the same time?!
Why are there talks of a "Sister City" in the Middle East, and automated garbage trucks when people are getting 100% cpu usage encoding some video?!

You're a student at a college with a HUGE history of righting wrongs through protest, can the whole student body have fallen into APATHY?!?!?

I suggest you take this volatile topic up with the WSA- I want to see 40000 noble freedom fighters demanding WMV accelerating NOW, not MONDAY, on "Live at Five" TONIGHT!

Seriously, enjoy the time at the U, when I go down there these days I feel very old.

 

[epking]

yeah, he should dedicate his time to more important things like you Rollo, 5000 posts of Nvidia advocacy. Thats UW speak for (fanboyism). You just can't let these verbal transgressions against the wonderful 6800 go undone, so here you are, defending with all your might, about an issue, you've said doesn't matter to you. LOL> So, you see Rollo, don't be such a hipocrit(oh yeah, i forgot, you break that rule in about every post) the fact is, you're bothering with just as menial things as we are....In fact, even more so, since you have admitted the issue doesn't matter to you, and there are no real uses for video processing. LOL> So what are you here for? Yeah, thats right, it comes back to that reflexive psychological condition of yours....MUST DEFEND NVIDIA< ROLLO LOVES NVIDIA. PEOPLE WHO TALK AGAINST NVIDIA= BADD!!! MUST DEFEND NVIDIA.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't bother James. There's some lonely lil' trolls in this thread who have figured out they can establish some human cantact with people who are genuinely concerned with this issue if they just keep posting over and over and over:

Hmm... gee, I wonder.

Originally posted by: Rollo
2. Those who disagree with our righteous indignation and desire for reparations are evil! (divide and conquer, like the Nazi brownshirts)

What is it with you and Nazi references? Seriously. It's starting to slightly creep me out.

Although, I do have to wonder about the "divide and conquer" reference - what if someone was specifically sent by NV to disrupt this thread by causing a commotion, thus distracting the attention from potential legal actions against NV and their distributors, and instead towards the poster(s) in the thread. Divide and conquer indeed.

Originally posted by: Rollo
3. It's a hardware issue they can't fix! So they owe us big! (hold out faint hope of free stuff and people who want free stuff will listen)

I'm not sure how wanting something that you paid for, to work properly, is somehow "demanding free stuff". It's not free, the customers already paid for it. That's kind of the point, which sometimes I think that you still haven't understood, at some level, even though at another level I am forced to believe that you have. So you must be simply re-iterating that to get a response, which I have (unfortunately) just done. :|

Originally posted by: Rollo
Either that, or they really do work for ATI? Why else would anyone spend so many wasted words on this issue? If you took the actual technical and vendor discussion out of this thread, you'd have 90% left with 80% of that posted by the lonely lil' trolls.

Or a certain fan of NV talking to himself, maybe.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Why are there talks of a "Sister City" in the Middle East, and automated garbage trucks when people are getting 100% cpu usage encoding some video?!

Automated garbage trucks? Screw the PVP and NV4x, now that is some cool tech. Link?

Originally posted by: Rollo
You're a student at a college with a HUGE history of righting wrongs through protest, can the whole student body have fallen into APATHY?!?!?

Interesting that you should bring up apathy in this thread, considering that you repeated advocated that everyone's discussion here was much ado about nothing. Heck, even if it were slightly-programmable apathy, it would be something.

But no, WE GET NO APATHY FROM NVIDIA. NOTHING. NADA. NO APATHY FOR YOU - ONE YEAR...

(Ok, I admit, I posted just because I was bored, and though this deserved another bump.)

 

[nRollo]

Or a certain fan of NV talking to himself, maybe.

You're behind the curve VL. I'm using an Asus X800XT PE these days and loving it- it's a gaming monster.

Do you think nVidia gave it to me when they sent me on the secret mission to distract you from this terribly important crisis?

Probably not?

Oh well. In two days you'll either like it or you won't. I can tell you this though- my X800XT PE plays those videos no better than my 6800.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Or a certain fan of NV talking to himself, maybe.

You're behind the curve VL. I'm using an Asus X800XT PE these days and loving it- it's a gaming monster.

Do you think nVidia gave it to me when they sent me on the secret mission to distract you from this terribly important crisis?

Probably not?

Oh well. In two days you'll either like it or you won't. I can tell you this though- my X800XT PE plays those videos no better than my 6800.

put that x800xt in an xp3200 like mine, and the winHD clips will play fine. Put in any 6800 series in there, and it won't. Simple as that.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: Rollo

Or a certain fan of NV talking to himself, maybe.

You're behind the curve VL. I'm using an Asus X800XT PE these days and loving it- it's a gaming monster.

Do you think nVidia gave it to me when they sent me on the secret mission to distract you from this terribly important crisis?

Probably not?

Oh well. In two days you'll either like it or you won't. I can tell you this though- my X800XT PE plays those videos no better than my 6800.

put that x800xt in an xp3200 like mine, and the winHD clips will play fine. Put in any 6800 series in there, and it won't. Simple as that.

Epking: I have it on a A64 3000+ with 1GB of Corsair CL2.5 PC3200? This is generally considered better than your XP3200+? If you meant your A64 3200+, the "200+" isn't enough to differentiate our rigs.

Step Into Liquid 1080 played at 70-80% cpu utilization on my 6800GT, now it does the same on my X800XT PE.

They both play "fine" if you mean smoothly w/o dropped frames, but they both use a lot of cpu power to do so. Just the way it is, sorry.

If it played at 50% on the XTPE, I'd post it and say ATI has it going on with this, but I haven't seen it.

BTW- my stance on this would be the same if this was ATI- it's a sort peripheral issue to gaming cards that has some importance, but not worth this civil war.

 

[y0bailey]

well that is encouraging...

my guess is that if something drastic doesn't happen WMVHD is gonna take a dump and never become mainstream.

if half of us "hardcore" PCers can't even play it smoothly then i find it hard to believe that wmvhd is going anywhere.

so maybe that whole rumor of nvidia saying its partly microsofts fault isn't a rumor at all.

??

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: y0bailey
well that is encouraging...

my guess is that if something drastic doesn't happen WMVHD is gonna take a dump and never become mainstream.

if half of us "hardcore" PCers can't even play it smoothly then i find it hard to believe that wmvhd is going anywhere.

so maybe that whole rumor of nvidia saying its partly microsofts fault isn't a rumor at all.

??

no, I've been playing WinHD fine for the last year on my Xp3200 nforce2 system with a 9800pro, and before that a 9800np. People have been having no problems playing these clips, unless you have a 6800 series. When I upgraded to the 6800, it will no longer play, not even close. There are a number of people reporting the exact same thing more or less...it played fine before the upgrade, after the 6800, it wont play.


Rollo, my comment meant exactly what i said it as, I realize you can play the clip fine on both your 6800, and x800xt. Your cpu is well above the threshold. However, people with lesser cpu's...before with other cards, they played the WinHD fine. Now, with the 6800's they won't. So, I meant it in that respect, here it is again:

put that x800xt in an xp3200 like mine, and the winHD clips will play fine. Put in any 6800 series in there(xp3200), and it won't. Simple as that

if you happen to have an nforce2 and an xp3200 or 2500, or anything equivilent, try it for yourself. The x800 will play the WinHD clip, the 6800 will not. I'm referring to vmr9 mode.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: y0bailey
well that is encouraging...

my guess is that if something drastic doesn't happen WMVHD is gonna take a dump and never become mainstream.

if half of us "hardcore" PCers can't even play it smoothly then i find it hard to believe that wmvhd is going anywhere.

so maybe that whole rumor of nvidia saying its partly microsofts fault isn't a rumor at all.

??

no, I've been playing WinHD fine for the last year on my Xp3200 nforce2 system with a 9800pro, and before that a 9800np. People have been having no problems playing these clips, unless you have a 6800 series. When I upgraded to the 6800, it will no longer play, not even close. There are a number of people reporting the exact same thing more or less...it played fine before the upgrade, after the 6800, it wont play.


Rollo, my comment meant exactly what i said it as, I realize you can play the clip fine on both your 6800, and x800xt. Your cpu is well above the threshold. However, people with lesser cpu's...before with other cards, they played the WinHD fine. Now, with the 6800's they won't. So, I meant it in that respect, here it is again:

put that x800xt in an xp3200 like mine, and the winHD clips will play fine. Put in any 6800 series in there(xp3200), and it won't. Simple as that

if you happen to have an nforce2 and an xp3200 or 2500, or anything equivilent, try it for yourself. The x800 will play the WinHD clip, the 6800 will not. I'm referring to vmr9 mode.

I misinterpreted. I was thinking of putting the 6800 in my son's XP1700+ for now, I'll try it there if I do. (I'd rather build it into a comparable SLI box, but we'll see)

 

[imported_humey]

Hmm i can play any the clips on 6800U or g4 ti 4600 as rest of hardware carries, esp cpu, i used to struggle on older xp2000, but xp3200 was fine and so is current 2.8gig mobile cpu, i had high cpu use anyhow befire 6800U and still do, but it plays flawlessly

xp2000 + ti4600 = stuggles in wmp9 bit better on powerdvd4 at time

xp3200 + ti4600 = plays perfect on wmp9 and powerdvd5

2.8gig mobile + ti4600 = plays perfect on wmp10 and powerdvd5

2.8gig mobile + 6800Ultra = plays perfect on wmp10 and powerdvd6 but still not do what it claims on the box :-(

 

[y0bailey]

alright in the next few days i'm going to do some serious testing...but i dont even know if i should waste my time with an ati8500 and 6800gt comparison for how it plays the step-into-liquid.

too old of hardware to compare?????



anyone want to do any similar comparisons with newer hardware.

i'm just curious to see if wmvHD is too demanding to become mainstream within a short period of time (and to see if microsoft will have to do some revamping)


(ps - i know a lot of people have done this, but i want charts monitoring CPU usage and such.) i will likely have this up by monday or tuesday, so someone beat me to it!

 

[AnArky]

Well I got the new Maximum PC yesterday in the mail and they got BS'ed by nvidia in the Watchdog section.

Basically the letter to the editor was what everyone hasl been stating and the dogs response from nvidia is verbatim below.



The dog contacted an nVidia spokesman who cleared up the confusion over this issue. He said the 6800 does indeed include the advanced video support that's touted on the website, but consumers must download a newer set of drivers that was made available at the end of November.

According to the spokesman: "nVidia is also working with application vendors to take advantage fo the programmable encode features of the GeForce 6800 and 6600. Just like prgrammable pixel shaders when they were first introduced, this requires additional collabaration with application vendors. The first application that nVidia is targeting to support its GPU encode capabilities is Windows Media Center Edition 2005.

You only need nVidia's DVD decoder if you want the advanced post-processing features (i.e. motion adaptive de-interlacing and invers 3:2 pulldown) in addition to hardware MPEG-2 decode.

"For MPEG-2 decode only, any application built on DirectShow can take advantage of the hardware decode in the 6800 and 6600 as long as they access the hardware through DirectX Video Accelaration. WinDVD for example, can take advantage of the nVidia's hardware decode."

There is one difference between the 6800 and the newer 6600 core, though: and that's how the two cards handle Windows Media 9 hardware acceleration. nVidia says the 6600 does more offloading when palying WMV9 content that the 6800 is capable of, but the 6800 does some acceleration.



This is complete and utter crap in my opinion and I am pissed now as this was supposed to be my HTPC card.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: AnArky
This is complete and utter crap in my opinion...

Mine too.

 

[epking]

same here, I bought this card for HTPC to replace a 9800pro. It was a upgrade for gaming, and a downgrade for video performance. good info Anarky.

also, humey good info on the ti4600/6800. If you can spare the time, please put the 6800 in the xp3200 and play Step INto Liquid in vmr9 mode. I think you will find the 6800 will not play it without major stuttering, whereas the ti4200 played it acceptably. Now, i don't know about cpu usage, they may read the same on both cards, but one plays it, one doesn't.. In my case, on a xp3200, a 9800pro plays it, the 6800 doesn''t. If the cpu uses were the same, and the 6800 doesn't play it without enormous stutter..then, maybe that points to driver problems. I don't know. Imo, all of this happens because the card was designed for video to use the on chip decoder, and since its not functioning, this causes problems where it shouldn't, and a ti4200 and a 9800pro performs better in the same system than a 6800.

 

[LoneWolf15]

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Originally posted by: Rollo
pking: I have it on a A64 3000+ with 1GB of Corsair CL2.5 PC3200? This is generally considered better than your XP3200+? If you meant your A64 3200+, the "200+" isn't enough to differentiate our rigs.

Step Into Liquid 1080 played at 70-80% cpu utilization on my 6800GT, now it does the same on my X800XT PE.

They both play "fine" if you mean smoothly w/o dropped frames, but they both use a lot of cpu power to do so. Just the way it is, sorry.

If it played at 50% on the XTPE, I'd post it and say ATI has it going on with this, but I haven't seen it.

BTW- my stance on this would be the same if this was ATI- it's a sort peripheral issue to gaming cards that has some importance, but not worth this civil war.

I have similar specs, but my system maxes out the CPU with a 6800NU, and I get several stutters when viewing, even though I have no other tasks running. It would be one thing if this wasn't an advertised feature of the GPU; then I'd understand. It's just always been important for me that anyone who makes a promise should deliver on it, moreso when you're using that promise in business to drive sales and make money.

I'm not trying to get free hardware out of this; I want "working as advertised" hardware. If nVidia fixed the problem tomorrow, I'd be happy and this thread would be dead for me, or if a class action lawsuit produced the payment of court costs, proper communication between nVidia and the consumer, and a driver that solved the problem (within the effective lifespan of the card), I'd be happy. My problem is that every time we get a watchdog of the tech. press involved, nVidia issues them a vague statement which placates them about things being working when they aren't, or that future drivers will fix the problem, and then nothing is delivered. Meanwhile, we're stuck with the truth, and nVidia keeps the PR .PDF's on their website, touting the Video Processor as a great feature of the GeForce 6 line of GPU's. Bottom line: If a company makes a promise, they should deliver it. My 6800 card is okay, but if ATI had an offering in the $200-250 range that matched features and performance, this card would be back at CompUSA or sold on Ebay, and it'd be a long time before I even considered nVidia for a graphics card again. After all, my Radeon 9700 worked great.

AnArky, what issue of Maximum PC is that? I just got Decembers (new subscriber) and it isn't there. Did you already get the January issue?

 

[AnArky]

Yes it is the January Issue.

 

[nRollo]

It's interesting how many people whose only posts on AT are in this thread.

nVidia's answer seems fair enough to me- working with MS on WMV, some acceleration for all 6 series, get their decoder.

For those who want more than that, I hope nVidia says "Bite me" in less polite terms than that. (I know I would)

That's more than I have ATI telling me about why my $500 flagship card (XT PE) runs WMV no better than my $380 GT did and it has a built on the board video chip"Rage Theatre" and VIVO. (so you'd think it was built with some sort of video work in mind)

 

[ponyo]

Which feature of your ATI x800xt PE is broken and doesn't work as advertised? Did ATI ever promise you working VPU?

 

[epking]

It's interesting how many people whose only posts on AT are in this thread

what the hell does this have to do with anything? Sorry we don't live up to your expectations, or meet the approval of some illustrious veteran Anandtech member like yourself. freaking clown.:roll: only tools point to seniority or post count or the member status during debates.

nVidia's answer seems fair enough to me-

gee, thats real suprising:shocked: the biggest nvidia fanboy on anandtech, approves of their latest PR nonsense...yeah, thats real suprising.

Again, you've said this issue doesn't matter to you, so why the hell are you here? Is it to keep defending almighty infallible Nvidia? Or Is it to take more abuse from the likes of me. Or possibly both? Well, I can most certainly oblige you on the latter, in fact, I quite like it, so keep on running that fanboy:lips: mouth.

 

[redDragon128]

Originally posted by: Naustica
Which feature of your ATI x800xt PE is broken and doesn't work as advertised? Did ATI ever promise you working VPU?

exactly

 

[epking]

also, this comment, is just garbage: "my $500 X800XT runs WMV no better than my $380 GT did and it has a built on the board video chip"Rage Theatre" and VIVO"

Put the 6800gt in a lesser cpu,for example an Xp3200 or 2500, and the 6800gt will not play it without stutterfest. Use the X800, or a ti4200, or a 5900fx or a 9800pro, or just about any capable card and they will play it, and play it flawless. This is one of the primary reasons a number of people are pissed off about this. You're just too much of a blind nvidia fanboy to realize it. So too, with your whole attitude about this videp processor. You cannot realize that this is a legitimate issue and important feature for some users...it may not be for you, but other people use the card differently. You're too much a fanboy, and too near sighted, and too self centered to realize it. Either that, or you being the fanboy you are, you just can't accept the consequence that the 6800 series may have a significant flaw. So here you are, harrassing people in this thread who dare to care about a missing feature that they paid for, and one of the primary reasons they bought the card.
Another curious habit, half the time for no apparent reason, you drag ATI into this, as if it matters...lol. Someone says: "The nvidia video processor isn't working"... Rollo says, "Oh yeah, well ATI and my X800Xt blah blah blah.... this just further shows your bias, and where Rollo is coming from. Everything to a fanboy comes back to Nvidia vs ATi, or my company is better than theirs....and your thinking is no different. LOL> So, when someone says something bad about the 6800, you reflexively, like a little kid, say....Oh yeah, the X800 is no better or worse so there.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Rollo
For those who want more than that, I hope nVidia says "Bite me" in less polite terms than that. (I know I would)

Uh oh, I can feel another explosion of patrician displeasure coming. "You're ALL a bunch ungrateful brownshirts trying to force (good-pure-right) nVidia to give you something free!!! Impatient apes!!!"

Two days

 

[LoneWolf15]

Rollo, I'm very curious...I asked this from a previous post, and you skipped right over it in your discussion with epking. I'm going to ask it again. Once again, I'd just like a yes or no answer.

Answer me this...do I have a right to expect that when a company promises me a feature of their product, that it is available at the time I purchase the product (assuming there is no legalese specifically telling me it is not available yet)? I'd just like a yes or no on this one, Rollo.