GeForce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD

[epking]

Originally posted by: James3shin
hahahah, im just saying instead of watching cpu usage percentages, why don't you go and play games, thats what the card is meant for, no? and me yawning was not due to the subjects matter, i was simply dead tired, look at the time of post, i aslo can not sleep due to finals....so how about we just chill out on this k? Jeez, rollo you were right, i got blitzed for throwing in my 2 cents😛

some people bought the card for games AND video playback, ie: HTPC, using the video card as a high end dvd player. There is another subset of people who bought it for games and Video editing/encoding.

There are lots of people like this, and Nvidia, outwardly marketed such features to them. These features are broken. And people who bought the card for this are screwed.

I know it might be hard for someone so immature to realize there are people with other uses for the card than yourself, but that is the fact of the matter. So why don't you either take the blinders off, and realize your nearsightedness...or if by chance you still cannot bare to hear anything negative said about your card.....then get the F out of this thread. Go into some gaming threads, and talk about your 6800 in there.

Otherwise people might think you came in here to troll. And as your sig says, you hate trolls right?
:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Squally Leonharty

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: James3shin
*Yawn* This thing is still going on? Go play some games on those cards folks...*passes out*

You're in trouble now James.....
😉



I am new to the ways of my X800XT PE, but it did not play Step Into Liquid 1080 any better than my 6800GT used to. I don't know that it's supposed to, but I've seen posts in this thread about how the 6800s are far worse than every other DX9 card (evah!) and I saw the Xbit thing where some cards have lower cpu utilization.

I'll look into ATI video more when I get a chance. The "Rage Theatre" chip on the back didn't seem to be helping, although I've also read that playing this accelerated on ATI involves using it's shaders, and this feature is inactive.

I'm using their new 412 drivers.

I might then as well point out some things regarding WMV acceleration of X800 XT PE cards:
- FastWrite should be enabled (for ATI cards, this doesn't cause instability, unlike nVidia's cards);
- Catalysts 4.12 have the WMV Acceleration option (partially) disabled and you can't turn it on manually (ATI said that they'll enable it fully when Microsoft has released a certain fix regarding WMV acceleration). Use 4.11 instead as they have the option visible, so you can enable/disable it (it's enabled by default).

WMV acceleration works perfectly fine for me with my X800 XT PE. What's really surprising, though, is the fact that my CPU usage is below 5% during the first 30 - 40 seconds of the movie and then hovers between 60% and 90%. No idea what causes it, but regardless of that everything is playing very smoothly.

Hope that helps. 🙂

Edit: Actually... I've just tested this with the new 4.12 drivers and it seems performance is still equal. I guess it's still enabled after all, but most likely only partially, seeing that ATI made that comment about Microsoft's fix.

It plays smoothly on mine too- but the cpu usage is where it was with my 6800GT. 70-80% most of the time.

Oh well.

4 more days till the burning question/statement of "Is it broke? I think it's broke!" is answered.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: James3shin
hahahah, im just saying instead of watching cpu usage percentages, why don't you go and play games, thats what the card is meant for, no? and me yawning was not due to the subjects matter, i was simply dead tired, look at the time of post, i aslo can not sleep due to finals....so how about we just chill out on this k? Jeez, rollo you were right, i got blitzed for throwing in my 2 cents😛

some people bought the card for games AND video playback, ie: HTPC, using the video card as a high end dvd player. There is another subset of people who bought it for games and Video editing/encoding.

There are lots of people like this, and Nvidia, outwardly marketed such features to them. These features are broken. And people who bought the card for this are screwed.

I know it might be hard for someone so immature to realize there are people with other uses for the card than yourself, but that is the fact of the matter. So why don't you either take the blinders off, and realize your nearsightedness...or if by chance you still cannot bare to hear anything negative said about your card.....then get the F out of this thread. Go into some gaming threads, and talk about your 6800 in there.

Otherwise people might think you came in here to troll. And as your sig says, you hate trolls right?
:roll:

haha the people in this thread are dead serious...as for calling me immature and such based off of my opinion in a thread about a VP is a great barometer of judgement upon yourself as well. So quick to judge someone eh? Rather then focusing on my statments how about we discuss the VP as you so greatly want to do. Im not gonna focus on your judgement of my opnion. While I realize there is a market for HTPC, vid encoders/decoders, the primary purpose of these cards i.e (NV4X line) is for gaming, no? Aren't workstation cards, albeit more expensive, are primarily used for rendering, decoding and such? I know that feature is missing and people feel shafted, but what is this entire debate over? From what I've read so far this thread has gone from discussing how the VP is missing and how the drivers are not coming to people whining and calling Rollo a fanboy (I won't say who...but the very person could have been called trolling for that as well *Ahem*), and back to CPU percentages. Here is the fact, there is no driver yet, the VP is still broken, and if its gonna be fixed its upto NV, whats the point of arguing this? Is whining gonna bring NV to its knees and give everyone new cards with a working VP out of the box?

 

[James3shin]

I just thought about the "gaming and HTPC" point, sure their are probably quite a few of these people, but couldn't they have just got a X800 to do the same? You would get back the exact same results, great gaming and DVD playback. Whats the point of the VP, if your a gamer and a HTPC user. Riddle me this batman, are you gonna watch a movie and listen to some music? I don't see where your "gaming and HTPC" point comes through, unless your doing something resembing listening to music and watching a movie, ala playing a game and watching a movie? And if your a encoder and decoder and a gamer fine, that makes more sense to getting a NV4X card. But I don't know many vid editors that play games while they are making/editing a movie.

* and if a editor was only to do one or the other, say game or edit a movie, couldn't they have got the same results with a x800 card?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: James3shin

haha the people in this thread are dead serious...

And this bothers you why? This thread has long since morphed into a product liability forum. People tend to get very serious when they see themselves as having been screwed. "Hahaha, why don't you guys go play some games!", won't go over to well in environments like this. TBH, I'm surprised that you don't already understand this.

4-days

 

[epking]

dude, thats the whole point, many people bought these cards instead of X800's for the video processor being marketed to them by Nvidia. As for "whats the point of the VP if your a gamer and a HTPC user....because one doesn't watch a movie, and play games, or watch a movie and listen to music"
This is an absurd misunderstanding of the issue, and a sad attempt to make an excuse for your card that you so adore. I mean, that is why you are offended by us talking about this issue isn't it? You love the card, and people who don't.....well, that offends you. So too with the x800 thing...telling us an x800 would be better, is a lame cop out, for what Nvidia didn't deliver on these 6800's.

Give me a freaking break. Secondly, when playing video at high resolutions, the card can do little else, ie:getting an Instant Message will stutter dvd playback. This is absurd for a $400 card. So, give me a break with all your gamiing while encoding a video...thats a ridiculous example. This card does have serious issues with performance and video playback, that much is abundantly clear. It was marketed and sold to us as having an ON CHIP Video Processor to offload CPU usage. The effect of the broken processor has been just the opposite.

Your comments about couldn't you have bought an X800, and earlier, telling everyone to stop whining and go play games... yes, that goes a long way to show where you're coming from. You can only appreciate your own uses for the card, and if people take issue with the card you so adore....you get pissed off like a little kid. So, yeah, fine, I did judge you, or at least your attitude by these statements. Sorry. Your attitude is this, YOu love your 6800. Its a great gaming card, and works great for your uses. YOu can't however understand that others experiences has been drastically impacted for what they wanted to do with it. So, it all boils down to this, you can't see past your own narrow experiences and needs for the card. And You love your precious wecious wittle 6800, :heart:and all these mean guys are talking bad about your 6800..:heart:.and you can't have that now can you. So you come in here to flame. I mean thats what happened.

If you wanna say that we are making a mountain out of a molehill fine. We value these features on a card, the fact that many of us are in a thread talking about it, and how to fix it, and whether it can be fixed, ought to make that clear...I think the card is fantastic for gaming, but is a downgrade for video playback performance. This iS a major problem for my uses for the card. But when people come into a thread about these video issues with the sole intent to flame and degrade our opinions, even try to squelch them, like rollo did, well yeah, sorry, that pisses me off. Its like this, if there is a thread about how do I get ps3.0 to work in Far Cry? or, when is ps3.0 gonna work in farcry?, and then all these asshat ATI lovers start coming in there and say, "why do you need ps3.0, its a worthless feature and so on" well, thats not that far off from what you and rollo have done. You've come in here picking a fight....all because you cannot bare to have negative word spoken about the wonderful card you spent $400 on. :heart:

 

[imported_humey]

The 6800 Ultra is far better card than ATI X800, 1stly normal 6800 GT's = or beats it in lots of games and nvidia N40 at time was only gpu to do dx9c / P.S 3.0 and real HDR not some ati software one.

ATI new x850 is dx9c and P.S 3.0 not sure if real HDR but its only on PCI E not agp and may remain that way.

The 6800 Ultra remain the fastest best AGP gamming card ever made and will remain so if ATI dont make X850 AGP and Nvidias next card aint AGP.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: humey
The 6800 Ultra remain the fastest best AGP gamming card ever made and will remain so if ATI dont make X850 AGP and Nvidias next card aint AGP.

Clock for clock this isn't true.

The X800 PE XT at 540-1120 has a fillrate of 8.3 Gpixels. the 6800 Ultra at 400-1100 with a fillrate of 6.4 Gpixels. This isn't a small difference.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
The 6800 Ultra is far better card than ATI X800, 1stly normal 6800 GT's = or beats it in lots of games and nvidia N40 at time was only gpu to do dx9c / P.S 3.0 and real HDR not some ati software one.

ATI new x850 is dx9c and P.S 3.0 not sure if real HDR but its only on PCI E not agp and may remain that way.

The 6800 Ultra remain the fastest best AGP gamming card ever made and will remain so if ATI dont make X850 AGP and Nvidias next card aint AGP.

Err, yeah.
I have news for you Humey- my X800XT PE beats the 6800U in some benchmarks, and has a few features the 6800U doesn't have as well.

I agree with you that if you're buying one AGP card this year, the 6800U should be it, but the race at the top is pretty close.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: epking

Originally posted by: James3shin
hahahah, im just saying instead of watching cpu usage percentages, why don't you go and play games, thats what the card is meant for, no? and me yawning was not due to the subjects matter, i was simply dead tired, look at the time of post, i aslo can not sleep due to finals....so how about we just chill out on this k? Jeez, rollo you were right, i got blitzed for throwing in my 2 cents😛

some people bought the card for games AND video playback, ie: HTPC, using the video card as a high end dvd player. There is another subset of people who bought it for games and Video editing/encoding.

There are lots of people like this, and Nvidia, outwardly marketed such features to them. These features are broken. And people who bought the card for this are screwed.

I know it might be hard for someone so immature to realize there are people with other uses for the card than yourself, but that is the fact of the matter. So why don't you either take the blinders off, and realize your nearsightedness...or if by chance you still cannot bare to hear anything negative said about your card.....then get the F out of this thread. Go into some gaming threads, and talk about your 6800 in there.

Otherwise people might think you came in here to troll. And as your sig says, you hate trolls right?
:roll:

haha the people in this thread are dead serious...as for calling me immature and such based off of my opinion in a thread about a VP is a great barometer of judgement upon yourself as well. So quick to judge someone eh? Rather then focusing on my statments how about we discuss the VP as you so greatly want to do. Im not gonna focus on your judgement of my opnion. While I realize there is a market for HTPC, vid encoders/decoders, the primary purpose of these cards i.e (NV4X line) is for gaming, no? Aren't workstation cards, albeit more expensive, are primarily used for rendering, decoding and such? I know that feature is missing and people feel shafted, but what is this entire debate over? From what I've read so far this thread has gone from discussing how the VP is missing and how the drivers are not coming to people whining and calling Rollo a fanboy (I won't say who...but the very person could have been called trolling for that as well *Ahem*), and back to CPU percentages. Here is the fact, there is no driver yet, the VP is still broken, and if its gonna be fixed its upto NV, whats the point of arguing this? Is whining gonna bring NV to its knees and give everyone new cards with a working VP out of the box?

Don't bother James. There's some lonely lil' trolls in this thread who have figured out they can establish some human cantact with people who are genuinely concerned with this issue if they just keep posting over and over and over:
1. nVidia owes us big! (always popular to promise something for nothing!)
2. Those who disagree with our righteous indignation and desire for reparations are evil! (divide and conquer, like the Nazi brownshirts)
3. It's a hardware issue they can't fix! So they owe us big! (hold out faint hope of free stuff and people who want free stuff will listen)

Either that, or they really do work for ATI? Why else would anyone spend so many wasted words on this issue? If you took the actual technical and vendor discussion out of this thread, you'd have 90% left with 80% of that posted by the lonely lil' trolls.

They'll either fix it or they won't- speculation this week is pointless. Be glad you're in academia, James. From what I remember of my days at the UW, our most intoxicated debates had a lot more going for them than "They won't fix it- they can't!" ........"They won't fix it- they can't!".........."They won't fix it- they can't!"........"They won't fix it- they can't!".............."They won't fix it- they can't!"........."They won't fix it- they can't!" Etc ad infinitum


:roll:

 

[epking]

agree with you that if you're buying one AGP card this year, the 6800U should be it, but the race at the top is pretty close

something we agree on! lol, the way i see it at the top, its a virtual tie, i would rather have the 6800u though, because of the ps3.0 support. Of course, the 6800 takes a hit because of the video processor issue. The XT is real strong with high resolutions and AA and aniso, it almost always bests the 6800's with AA and aniso..but even still, The 6800u is the card for this gen imo, due to features, and super fast speed. I mean, who cares who wins if they both are doing more than 100fps at 1600x1200...i'll take the card with the better feature set. I think its very arguable this gen, reasonable peopel could disagree on which card is best. Last gen, with the 9700/9800 and the 5800/5900 there was a clear winner imo.

 

[Spike]

nVidia... FIX IT OR DIE!!!! 😉

On a side note... what UW did you attend Rollo? 🙂

-spike

 

[imported_humey]

Fact overall in real use 6800 U is faster, i dont need in late late 2004 a non dx9c non p.s 3 non HDR ati x800, that a Gt can equal or beat in some tests, nvidia normally perform better in doom type games to as of better open gl drivers, i will never ever ever own a ati card ame as i will never ever ever own a intel cpu 🙂

lol just messing, roll on 21st although i not holding my breath and that UK PR manager not got back to be lying wanker.

My card is going straight to Trading Standards if not sorted, and ive won b4 over chaintech got new card out it last year infact jan 04. :-D

Edit, on paper bit more bandwidth not mean real life use is better, look at matrox when they were bringing out that 512MB ram card it looked ATI / Nvidia killer but both their top models at time owned it, also Intels mhz myth is dead in water to.

 

[epking]

Why else would anyone spend so many wasted words on this issue?

dude, more hipocracy. You see, we are here because we care about the issue. You, on the other hand, keep saying over and over you don'tand that its not a big deal.. Yet why the F are you here? uhhh? to flame people who say bad things about Nvidia? and to defend Nvidia's honor? Uhh, come to think of it, yeah, that seems to be exactly why you're here,and how you spend a great deal of your time around here evidently, isn't it Captain Nvidia?

At least I come in a thread because I actually care about the issue, and would like to see something done about it, you on the other hand, are here waisting yourtime over an issue, that is admittedly no big deal to you. By the way, you call me lonely, and in search of human contact yet you have 5,000 posts at Anandtech, and have bragged about it in this thread..as if that makes you somebody..lol...fokkin clown

btw, i have not remotely said, i wanted anything for free. I just want to see this issue resolved, and some accountability, if they shipped broken video processors. And by accountability, i mean, admit they did it. you see, i don't think everything nvidia does is infallible, and the most wonderful thing on the planet, unlike some people:roll: Rollo, you are on Nvidia's side 100% of the time. Do you think they are right 100% of the time? Don't think about that too much, you're head might explode.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Spike
nVidia... FIX IT OR DIE!!!! 😉

On a side note... what UW did you attend Rollo? 🙂

-spike

LOL at first.

UW Madison. I can honestly say I had a lot of fun there. 😉 (and learned a few things too)

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: humey
Edit, on paper bit more bandwidth not mean real life use is better, look at matrox when they were bringing out that 512MB ram card it looked ATI / Nvidia killer but both their top models at time owned it, also Intels mhz myth is dead in water to.

Fill rate counts. Slight differences in architecture can alter things a bit, but raw power makes or breaks contemporary video cards. There's nothing personal about it, the X800 XT PE is just the current king.

 

[James3shin]

hey slim, i don't even have a 6800 anymore...as for your counter argument calling the NV4X for being used as a HTPC/Gaming was weak, because well what was your example? I honestly don't see what you would need a VP for, if your a HTPC/Gaming user.....i understand its missing and you feel shafted but i didn't when i did have my 6800...and I have no fanboyism as your leading to.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Spike
nVidia... FIX IT OR DIE!!!! 😉

On a side note... what UW did you attend Rollo? 🙂

-spike

LOL at first.

UW Madison. I can honestly say I had a lot of fun there. 😉 (and learned a few things too)

Cool stuff. I attended U of Washington and usually always put UW in front of any online name I have (eg [UW]Spike is usually my UT2K4 or CS name) and I always get people asking if it is UW madison...

I actually learned things at UW as well, kinda trippy since all my friends either flunked out or made an art of projectile vomiting. Guess thats all good if thats how they want to spend their own/parents/states money. 😛

-Spike

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: humey
Fact overall in real use 6800 U is faster, i dont need in late late 2004 a non dx9c non p.s 3 non HDR ati x800, that a Gt can equal or beat in some tests, nvidia normally perform better in doom type games to as of better open gl drivers, i will never ever ever own a ati card ame as i will never ever ever own a intel cpu 🙂

lol just messing, roll on 21st although i not holding my breath and that UK PR manager not got back to be lying wanker.

My card is going straight to Trading Standards if not sorted, and ive won b4 over chaintech got new card out it last year infact jan 04. :-D

Edit, on paper bit more bandwidth not mean real life use is better, look at matrox when they were bringing out that 512MB ram card it looked ATI / Nvidia killer but both their top models at time owned it, also Intels mhz myth is dead in water to.

I hope you find what you're after Humey, hopefully you have a PCIE motherboard or are getting one.

My own experience with the X800 XT PE has shown it to be no better at Step Into Liquid 1080 than my 6800GT was, although the XT PE is a stronger gamer. (no revelation there)

Ah, to be rich and have the X800 XT PE and an identical system with SLI- you'd have the best of all worlds.

 

[James3shin]

^your gonna do it aren't you? Your gonna go get some PCI-E 6X00 card, probably that dual chip 6600 you linked and your gonna SLI it aren't you? Sick b@stard....Im back from shopping now...what a task that was.

 

[imported_humey]

X800 is newer than n40 and i still say 6800U is king so do most sites.
No Rollo i aint going amd 64bit yet i got a 2.8gig 450fsb soon to be 500fsb cpu why would i go 64bit when its got more PR than any intel or amd at 4200-4400 ?.

i will jump when O/S is final and lots of other things like efi and sata 300 hdds ready as mobos are here now and dual core cpu maybe, its not my time yet or i wouldnt have bought a 6800U in nov 04.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: James3shin
^your gonna do it aren't you? Your gonna go get some PCI-E 6X00 card, probably that dual chip 6600 you linked and your gonna SLI it aren't you? Sick b@stard....Im back from shopping now...what a task that was.

LOL

I won't deny my wish to have have SLI and X800XT PE goodness under one roof. Want to play OGL/Doom3 games? SLI.
Want to play HL2 games? 3dc? XT PE.
Want to encode video? Whichever shakes out best.

Wanting and getting are two different things though, we'll see what happens. 😉

Shopping this time of year is worse than working.

 

[imported_humey]

Gigabyte are showing of new dual gpu 6600gt card so you not have ££££££££ cost of sli, pity i lost url, i though it was tomshardware.com but cant find it again, its nears top ati and nvidia perfomance on the 6600gt gpu x2.

 

[epking]

Originally posted by: humey
Gigabyte are showing of new dual gpu 6600gt card so you not have ££££££££ cost of sli, pity i lost url, i though it was tomshardware.com but cant find it again, its nears top ati and nvidia perfomance on the 6600gt gpu x2.

yeah, i saw that today, its at THG, and yeah, it was one bad muthafuxor, especially for the price. It bested both the 6800u and x800xt, and is said to retail for less. It hits stores this january. Things are really starting to get crazy with sli and the coming year. I'd guess the sweet spot for price performance might just be 2 6600gt's in sli. That would just be a ridiculous price/performance. I don't know though, maybe 2 6800std's would be a better bang for the buck. The thought of it all is pretty awesome..cant wait to see what happens.

 

[James3shin]

man, the amount of cards showing up this gen are crazy, so many to choose from, so little money!!! I wish those XL's would come AGP though, that 12 pipe cards sounds it hits the right spot, and then theres this new dual gpu 66gt!!....OOOooh eee...like i said, too many cards, so little money