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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
updated topic summary for AMDZen.

For the record, I'm not the only one with my stance - there are like 3 of us at least 😉
Yeah but you're the only idiot who thinks everyone else should bow down to you. Besides, the others have already grown up.

I could only dream that you are the only idiot that thinks everyone should live exactly as you think they should. That everyone should abide by YOUR rules and not have things like "loud exhaust". Unfortunetely the world is full of dickheads like you.
 
Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Those loud exhausts should be illegal, and that goes for the exhausts on Harleys too.

I was sleeping once and it just woke me up in the middle of the night. Holy crap I jumped being scared thinking something was yelling right at my face.

stop sleeping in the intersection then.

I don't. The house is in the backmost street of the neighborhood, in the woods, in the middle of a protected forest. The house is actually in the middle of the line of houses in the road.

Yay for assumptions!

[edit]For what it's worth, I never did say anything about the Harley exhaust, just what one did to me in the middle of the night ONCE. I actually have a ton of respect for those bikes and wouldn't mind having one myself sometime.

i was assuming you lived in a house and slept there, i was being facetious. obviously so, as well.

yay for cluelessness!


edit:

about your edit... i love the way harleys sound also. ive ridden them for years (well, my dads and step dads harleys, and now my moms when she lets me...). some riders do go to the extremes to make them loud for the sake of noise, but they dont really bother me for the most part... barking dogs are far more insistent and annoying overall than any engine passing by for 2 or 3 seconds.
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Those loud exhausts should be illegal, and that goes for the exhausts on Harleys too.

I was sleeping once and it just woke me up in the middle of the night. Holy crap I jumped being scared thinking something was yelling right at my face.

stop sleeping in the intersection then.

I don't. The house is in the backmost street of the neighborhood, in the woods, in the middle of a protected forest. The house is actually in the middle of the line of houses in the road.

Yay for assumptions!

[edit]For what it's worth, I never did say anything about the Harley exhaust, just what one did to me in the middle of the night ONCE. I actually have a ton of respect for those bikes and wouldn't mind having one myself sometime.

i was assuming you lived in a house and slept there, i was being facetious. obviously so, as well.

yay for cluelessness!

I thought you meant the house was at the corner of the intersection, where there were plenty of houses that are in a neighborhood.
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
updated topic summary for AMDZen.

For the record, I'm not the only one with my stance - there are like 3 of us at least 😉
Yeah but you're the only idiot who thinks everyone else should bow down to you. Besides, the others have already grown up.

I could only dream that you are the only idiot that thinks everyone should live exactly as you think they should. That everyone should abide by YOUR rules and not have things like "loud exhaust". Unfortunetely the world is full of dickheads like you.

Because most people agreeing this is a problem means THEY are the dickheads...

Because that's what dickheads are... people who think this and that are problems... that's the definition of a dickhead.

Way to go, junior. Once again, it's obviously not just me and I'm not saying this and that should be a law or a rule.

HAVE SOME COMMON DECENCY, KID. Read my 1st post again and see if that's not my message.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
updated topic summary for AMDZen.

For the record, I'm not the only one with my stance - there are like 3 of us at least 😉
Yeah but you're the only idiot who thinks everyone else should bow down to you. Besides, the others have already grown up.

I could only dream that you are the only idiot that thinks everyone should live exactly as you think they should. That everyone should abide by YOUR rules and not have things like "loud exhaust". Unfortunetely the world is full of dickheads like you.

Because most people agreeing this is a problem means THEY are the dickheads...

Because that's what dickheads are... people who think this and that are problems... that's the definition of a dickhead.

Way to go, junior. Once again, it's obviously not just me and I'm not saying this and that should be a law or a rule.

HAVE SOME COMMON DECENCY, KID. Read my 1st post again and see if that's not my message.

Well I was mostly going after people who DO think it should be a rule or a law. So perhaps I shouldn't of gone after you in particular, for some reason I thought you said it should be illegal. I'm not convinced it didn't say something to that extent, but its been edited and nobody quoted you before the edits. Considering most everyone who was agreeing with you were only saying things like "potato in the exhaust" or that it "should be illegal" I'd say that makes those people dickheads, yea. Just my opinion.

Personally I don't know how cold it is where you live but a lot of people like a warm car in the morning. I don't need to start mine and idle forever because I have a garage, MAYBE talking to him about it in the proper manner would work. I'm assuming you haven't even tried that
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
updated topic summary for AMDZen.

For the record, I'm not the only one with my stance - there are like 3 of us at least 😉
Yeah but you're the only idiot who thinks everyone else should bow down to you. Besides, the others have already grown up.

I could only dream that you are the only idiot that thinks everyone should live exactly as you think they should. That everyone should abide by YOUR rules and not have things like "loud exhaust". Unfortunetely the world is full of dickheads like you.

Because most people agreeing this is a problem means THEY are the dickheads...

Because that's what dickheads are... people who think this and that are problems... that's the definition of a dickhead.

Way to go, junior. Once again, it's obviously not just me and I'm not saying this and that should be a law or a rule.

HAVE SOME COMMON DECENCY, KID. Read my 1st post again and see if that's not my message.

Well I was mostly going after people who DO think it should be a rule or a law. So perhaps I shouldn't of gone after you in particular, for some reason I thought you said it should be illegal. I'm not convinced it didn't say something to that extent, but its been edited and nobody quoted you before the edits. Considering most everyone who was agreeing with you were only saying things like "potato in the exhaust" or that it "should be illegal" I'd say that makes those people dickheads, yea. Just my opinion.

Personally I don't know how cold it is where you live but a lot of people like a warm car in the morning. I don't need to start mine and idle forever because I have a garage, MAYBE talking to him about it in the proper manner would work. I'm assuming you haven't even tried that

"Excuse me, Mr. neighbor's kid's friend. Can you please take that exhaust you're so proud of off your car because when you start the engine, everyone within 10 houses knows you're about to leave and we just don't really care. Also, please lose the remote starter - I know you paid a few hundred for it too but that low hum coupled with the exhaust we hear for 5-10 minutes like 3 times a day is so unbearable I actually have to turn music on so it stops bothering me."

"Oh yeah, I'll get right on it."

K thanks.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
"Excuse me, Mr. neighbor's kid's friend. Can you please take that exhaust you're so proud of off your car because when you start the engine, everyone within 10 houses can hear it. Also, please lose the remote starter - I know you paid a few hundred for it but that low hum coupled with the exhaust we hear for 5-10 minutes like 3 times a day is so unbearable I actually have to turn music on so it stops bothering me."

"Oh yeah, I'll get right on it."

K thanks.

Wow you are clueless. I meant that you would ask him not to idle for long periods of time, that would at least make the issue less of one. Which is at least something. Of course he isn't going to take it off entirely, and the fact that you think he should proves that you do think it should be a rule or a law, if only a rule in your own little world.
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
"Excuse me, Mr. neighbor's kid's friend. Can you please take that exhaust you're so proud of off your car because when you start the engine, everyone within 10 houses can hear it. Also, please lose the remote starter - I know you paid a few hundred for it but that low hum coupled with the exhaust we hear for 5-10 minutes like 3 times a day is so unbearable I actually have to turn music on so it stops bothering me."

"Oh yeah, I'll get right on it."

K thanks.

Wow you are clueless. I meant that you would ask him not to idle for long periods of time, that would at least make the issue less of one. Which is at least something. Of course he isn't going to take it off entirely, and the fact that you think he should proves that you do think it should be a rule or a law, if only a rule in your own little world.

Idling for long periods of time isn't what's making everyone wake up at 6am. Idling for long periods of time isn't what I'm hearing 2 blocks down the road. Did I mention I know when he's coming too? I don't believe I did.

This kid's car is just a PITA all around. I wish he would just go away, so I can be in my own little world. In my own little world, I wish people would realize there are other people in it.
 
Sniping these retards should be legalized. There was a retard who rides around on his motorcycle at late night, like way late night. He seemed to have disappeared a few months ago. I guess the neighbors shot him, chopped him up and threw him in the sewer.

But now we have these gangsta wannabe retards with 10K watt subwoofers in their car idling outside the corner liquor store all the time.
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so you think that just because some alarms are too sensitive, coupled with the fact that stock dodge exhaust is louder than YOU prefer, and all these other little bitches that you have deem legislation necessary? the noise pollution laws in effect NOW already cover an acceptable level, and many cities will bring out the cars that have the dB measuring stuff to see if they can ticket you. if you do get a ticket, its a repair order, not just a fine. my truck has been tested, its not illegal. get over it and accept the fact that just because you want a 3hp quiet commuter sub compact car doesnt mean everyone else has to have them. and that 280hp is potential, getting up to 65mph doesnt require the use of it. but its nice to know that you have the potential there if you needed it. what defines need? no idea, but i imagine there are reasons somewhere.

They should. There'd be less fatal accidents on the roads that's for sure. And what does define need... you planning on using that 280hp to haul a few tons of goods for the teamsters? Or do you just need it for that night some ricer goads you into street racing? Or maybe to race the train to cross the tracks. Oh oh wait... I know, the daredevil jump across the gorge.

If you're following acceptable traffic laws, you DON'T FUCKING NEED IT.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
OriginallIdling for long periods of time isn't what's making everyone wake up at 6am. Idling for long periods of time isn't what I'm hearing 2 blocks down the road. Did I mention I know when he's coming too? I don't believe I did.

This kid is just a PITA all around. I wish he would just go away, so I can be in my own little world.

You made it sound as if the Idling was the bulk of the issue. Frankly.

And maybe its just because I'm used to thinking logically, but what exactly do you think is a solution here? Personally I find a problem, I try to find a solution - and if there isn't one I do my best to live with the problem.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so you think that just because some alarms are too sensitive, coupled with the fact that stock dodge exhaust is louder than YOU prefer, and all these other little bitches that you have deem legislation necessary? the noise pollution laws in effect NOW already cover an acceptable level, and many cities will bring out the cars that have the dB measuring stuff to see if they can ticket you. if you do get a ticket, its a repair order, not just a fine. my truck has been tested, its not illegal. get over it and accept the fact that just because you want a 3hp quiet commuter sub compact car doesnt mean everyone else has to have them. and that 280hp is potential, getting up to 65mph doesnt require the use of it. but its nice to know that you have the potential there if you needed it. what defines need? no idea, but i imagine there are reasons somewhere.

They should. There'd be less fatal accidents on the roads that's for sure. And what does define need... you planning on using that 280hp to haul a few tons of goods for the teamsters? Or do you just need it for that night some ricer goads you into street racing? Or maybe to race the train to cross the tracks. Oh oh wait... I know, the daredevil jump across the gorge.

If you're following acceptable traffic laws, you DON'T FUCKING NEED IT.

WOW if only everyone was a Nazi like you and hanoverphist. I think its pretty obvious that I don't NEED IT, as I've already made clear - life isn't just about NEED. People actually do things because they enjoy it too. Frankly all you really NEED in life is food, water and shelter. Does that mean everyone should walk around naked too? We certainly should outlaw Konigsegg, man are those things quick. We could pretty much do away with Sweeden altogether actually.

BTW, there have been many studies (in many countries) that have proved that most highway accidents are contributed to things other then speeding. In fact a very recent one in the UK said that only 5% of highway accidents were from speeding, the other 95% were caused by something else. It doesn't break the other 95% down, but I'm sure sleepyness and drunk driving were toward the top.

Personally I say we regulate sleep so that we make sure everyone gets enough before they drive. And we definetely need to get rid of alcohol entirely since drunk driving is so flagrant, because of course - as was proven during prohibition, and the current war on drugs illegalizing something works without a doubt to get rid of said problem.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: rh71
"Excuse me, Mr. neighbor's kid's friend. Can you please take that exhaust you're so proud of off your car because when you start the engine, everyone within 10 houses can hear it. Also, please lose the remote starter - I know you paid a few hundred for it but that low hum coupled with the exhaust we hear for 5-10 minutes like 3 times a day is so unbearable I actually have to turn music on so it stops bothering me."

"Oh yeah, I'll get right on it."

K thanks.

Wow you are clueless. I meant that you would ask him not to idle for long periods of time, that would at least make the issue less of one. Which is at least something. Of course he isn't going to take it off entirely, and the fact that you think he should proves that you do think it should be a rule or a law, if only a rule in your own little world.

Idling for long periods of time isn't what's making everyone wake up at 6am. Idling for long periods of time isn't what I'm hearing 2 blocks down the road. Did I mention I know when he's coming too? I don't believe I did.

This kid's car is just a PITA all around. I wish he would just go away, so I can be in my own little world. In my own little world, I wish people would realize there are other people in it.

in your own little world, would everyone drive little econoboxes too? I hate them. Sorry, but I like my vehicle to be able to have fun too. Now, I don't see a point in putting in an after-market exhaust, but I want a muscle car, and that will be loud, no doubt. Or a large truck. No, it's not about the noise, although I do enjoy the growl of a muscle car or large truck, but I like loud noises in general. loud music, loud explosions, loud reports from weapon systems firing, etc etc. It's about the fun I would get out of having the vehicle.

Am I now an ape because of what I typed above? Just beating my chest? I don't give a shit about making that kind of impression, it's not important to me in life, nor do I want to attract the people who like that kind of impression. That's not my way of life, never have been that type of person. But I like to have fun, and having a vehicle with power is fun. Sure, you don't need 300+ horsepower for the highway, but that's only if you want to go the speed limit. I'll admit I'll speed, not recklessly mind you, and I drive the speed limit or slower in bad weather or bad road conditions, because I know my vehicle and what it is and is not capable of.

I'll also blare music inside my house, say, if I'm chilling out back in my backyard or something. (this is all future tense, my plans. Still living at home/on campus and when I'm activated, I'll be living either on base or at a small place off base).
These are all reasons why I want to eventually own a home that's a little more secluded, with a large yard and a little distance in between houses, and definitely not in an apartment, at least not for a long period of time. I'll die a lot inside if I have to manage in an apartment, because I can't do anything loud.

No, it won't be because I have no considerations for others. But um, I'm exercising my freedoms. 😉 And dammit, they can do the same thing if they want, I'm not gonna mind, nor do I care when someone has a loud vehicle in my neighborhood back home or goes rumbling down the street here on campus.
I'm gonna be the 45 year old who still blasts his rock music out of the house while chilling in the yard/pool. Guarantee it. 😀
And if anyone wants to say anything, first I'll invite them over for a beer, then tell them to unfuck themselves and loosen up. 😛
And is the primary reason I will never live in a HOA. 😛

At least, this is the way I envision myself in the future, if things go according to plan and I have a successful life in/out of the Army.

and btw, intelligence has nothing to do with this. I could go into computer engineering if I put the effort into it, but I've grown out of computers except as a hobby. I was actually training to go into network administration, but I got insanely bored with it and dropped that direction in life and went into security and intelligence for homeland security. That's my backup if I don't end up sticking in the Army for a career, although that's the current plan. Of course, gotta wait till I'm active to actually make that call for sure. That, and if I get one of my choice branches when I graduate is going to be a huge reason to stick around or not. If I get finance and have no hope of changing branches in the future, damn straight I'll probably get out. I need combat arms of some sort, with military intelligence being the only in-between as far as combat/non-combat goes, although my top choice at the moment is armor or armored cavalry.

sorry for the long and segued post, but thought I'd offer up insight now before people question me later. 😛

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
WOW if only everyone was a Nazi like you and hanoverphist. I think its pretty obvious that I don't NEED IT, as I've already made clear - life isn't just about NEED. People actually do things because they enjoy it too. Frankly all you really NEED in life is food, water and shelter. Does that mean everyone should walk around naked too? We certainly should outlaw Konigsegg, man are those things quick. We could pretty much do away with Sweeden altogether actually.

BTW, there have been many studies (in many countries) that have proved that most highway accidents are contributed to things other then speeding. In fact a very recent one in the UK said that only 5% of highway accidents were from speeding, the other 95% were caused by something else. It doesn't break the other 95% down, but I'm sure sleepyness and drunk driving were toward the top.

Personally I say we regulate sleep so that we make sure everyone gets enough before they drive. And we definetely need to get rid of alcohol entirely since drunk driving is so flagrant, because of course - as was proven during prohibition, and the current war on drugs illegalizing something works without a doubt to get rid of said problem.

Studies have also shown that most driving related FATALITIES are speed related. Your point?
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
I don't NEED an e8400 clocked past 4.0 Ghz to play Counterstrike either, but getting 120+ FPS even though anything past 60 doesn't matter is simply cool to some people. I certainly don't need the 4GB of RAM to read my email. Tuning cars is like overclocking your computer. Do I need gobs of torque like I HAVE in my WRX? No, I try not to speed too much BTW - but the on ramps are pretty fun. I don't NEED house either since I live by myself I could of just got an apartment. I don't NEED a dog, but I enjoy his company. Hell I don't need the tea I'm drinking right now because I won't starve if I stop drinking it.

Why is it that so many Vettes sell year after year, why do so many companies sell crazy fast cars? People don't need Porsche Cayennes, thats for frickin sure. I mean why do you need a 450hp SUV to take your kids to soccer practice? Your arguement is as retarded as you are.

And, I don't give a shit if you drive a Porsche Cayennes or you have an e8400 overclocked or if you have 50GB of ram stuck up your ass. None of those interfere with the quality of MY life. I don't care if you drink yourself to death, take enough drugs to knock out an elephant, or blow your brains out, as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home. As soon as you start degrading the quality of MY life, then you've crossed the line. Some of the people that you toss discomfort at are just going to live with it. Some of those people are going to complain about it on message boards. Some of those people are going to see if they can get the authorities to do something. And, sooner or later, you're going to run into someone who'll take it into their own hands to reciprocate.
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so you think that just because some alarms are too sensitive, coupled with the fact that stock dodge exhaust is louder than YOU prefer, and all these other little bitches that you have deem legislation necessary? the noise pollution laws in effect NOW already cover an acceptable level, and many cities will bring out the cars that have the dB measuring stuff to see if they can ticket you. if you do get a ticket, its a repair order, not just a fine. my truck has been tested, its not illegal. get over it and accept the fact that just because you want a 3hp quiet commuter sub compact car doesnt mean everyone else has to have them. and that 280hp is potential, getting up to 65mph doesnt require the use of it. but its nice to know that you have the potential there if you needed it. what defines need? no idea, but i imagine there are reasons somewhere.

They should. There'd be less fatal accidents on the roads that's for sure. And what does define need... you planning on using that 280hp to haul a few tons of goods for the teamsters? Or do you just need it for that night some ricer goads you into street racing? Or maybe to race the train to cross the tracks. Oh oh wait... I know, the daredevil jump across the gorge.

If you're following acceptable traffic laws, you DON'T FUCKING NEED IT.

same as that other guy stated already, you dont need that pentium chip in your current computer to surf the net. get rid of it and go back to a p100 with 16mb of ram, thats all you really need to view some forums and email.

and actually, i do pull trailers with my truck, sometimes out of town and *gasp* up hills. if i didnt have the HP, i wouldnt make it to where i was going. do i use it on the street? nope. do i need it? yes, you self absorbed, holier-than-thou prick. just because you cant see a need doesnt mean its not there for others. i dont need to wear depends, but im not going to say get rid of them because they stink, otherwise some people would have to actually wipe your ass more than once a day.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
I'm gonna be the 45 year old who still blasts his rock music out of the house while chilling in the yard/pool. Guarantee it. 😀
And if anyone wants to say anything, first I'll invite them over for a beer, then tell them to unfuck themselves and loosen up. 😛

At my old house, I had a neighbor who did that - played music loud enough for the neighborhood to hear. I didn't live in an HOA, and I'm normally pretty easy to get along with. But I'm not going to tolerate my house vibrating because someone needs their bass on full blast while they're out on the porch drinking a few beers. So, like a pleasant person, I walked up the block (5 houses away) and politely asked them if they'd turn down the bass a bit. "F--- you"

Walked back to my house, made a phone call to a friend (policeman on duty; to his cell phone). 5 minutes later, the asshats up the street were ticketed. Next time I saw them, "I know every cop on the force, I'm related to half of them. I get along with all of them. I asked you politely. I'm only polite once."

 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Studies have also shown that most driving related FATALITIES are speed related. Your point?

Show me some stats. I have read studies that show that to be inaccurate you just can't find any real data on the net. Go ahead and look and show me real data.

There are plenty of studies that have proved over the years that higher speed actually lowers accident rates. Here is one

People just assume that higher speed equals more fatal accidents and people perpetuate it even with no real data. As I said there is a study in the UK that shows 5% of FATAL accidents are from speeding. Accidents, in general #1 cause is alcohol. Period. Number 2 is weather, snow and/or rain which may also be speeding but the speeding is in relation to a higher speed then is safe for the driving conditions

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Trends/TrendsGeneral.aspx
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Trends/TrendsAlcohol.aspx

17,602 of the 43,000 or so fatal accidents in the US in 2006 were from alcohol.
 
I'm all for measured testing in db like SEMA has been lobbying for.
It's the fairest way. There is no need for all the jackasses in Harley's to get away with it.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: destrekor
I'm gonna be the 45 year old who still blasts his rock music out of the house while chilling in the yard/pool. Guarantee it. 😀
And if anyone wants to say anything, first I'll invite them over for a beer, then tell them to unfuck themselves and loosen up. 😛

At my old house, I had a neighbor who did that - played music loud enough for the neighborhood to hear. I didn't live in an HOA, and I'm normally pretty easy to get along with. But I'm not going to tolerate my house vibrating because someone needs their bass on full blast while they're out on the porch drinking a few beers. So, like a pleasant person, I walked up the block (5 houses away) and politely asked them if they'd turn down the bass a bit. "F--- you"

Walked back to my house, made a phone call to a friend (policeman on duty; to his cell phone). 5 minutes later, the asshats up the street were ticketed. Next time I saw them, "I know every cop on the force, I'm related to half of them. I get along with all of them. I asked you politely. I'm only polite once."

I'm not going to say you did the wrong thing, I would of done the same frankly - assuming of course that its late at night and I need sleep. Otherwise I wouldn't mind personally.

Still, in Denver there isn't any sound ordinance until 9:30-10:00 or so, and before then the cop can't write a ticket. ANd if he did, the person would fight it and win - regardless if the neighbors like it or not.

RH71 will be suprised by this one since he thinks only kids have fun - but for my best Friends Dad's 50th birthday, his sister and him hired a band to play in the sisters backyard. It was a cover band for music that the dad really likes. Party started midday on a Saturday. The cops were called about 3 times, each time coming by asking for them to turn down the music. Couldn't do anything else until after 9:30 or whatever time it is (i forget). Strange then how the band stopped abruptly around 9:00 then eh? Took the party inside after that.
 
I bought my house next to a fire station. For the last 3 years I've been trying to pass a law that will quiet the sound of their alarm and their sirens. I mean how is a decent fella going to get a good night sleep with all that racket.

Seriously though, I do lie next to a fire station, I knew it when I moved in. It is a lot louder then I thought it would be, but I suck it up and deal with it.
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so you think that just because some alarms are too sensitive, coupled with the fact that stock dodge exhaust is louder than YOU prefer, and all these other little bitches that you have deem legislation necessary? the noise pollution laws in effect NOW already cover an acceptable level, and many cities will bring out the cars that have the dB measuring stuff to see if they can ticket you. if you do get a ticket, its a repair order, not just a fine. my truck has been tested, its not illegal. get over it and accept the fact that just because you want a 3hp quiet commuter sub compact car doesnt mean everyone else has to have them. and that 280hp is potential, getting up to 65mph doesnt require the use of it. but its nice to know that you have the potential there if you needed it. what defines need? no idea, but i imagine there are reasons somewhere.

They should. There'd be less fatal accidents on the roads that's for sure. And what does define need... you planning on using that 280hp to haul a few tons of goods for the teamsters? Or do you just need it for that night some ricer goads you into street racing? Or maybe to race the train to cross the tracks. Oh oh wait... I know, the daredevil jump across the gorge.

If you're following acceptable traffic laws, you DON'T FUCKING NEED IT.

WOW if only everyone was a Nazi like you and hanoverphist. I think its pretty obvious that I don't NEED IT, as I've already made clear - life isn't just about NEED. People actually do things because they enjoy it too. Frankly all you really NEED in life is food, water and shelter. Does that mean everyone should walk around naked too? We certainly should outlaw Konigsegg, man are those things quick. We could pretty much do away with Sweeden altogether actually.

.

whoa, whoa whoa there... i am far from being a nazi on any subject, let alone this one. i could care less about loud exhaust, its not something i really hear unless its a semi jack braking or whatever its called. i deal with boom stereos on a daily basis as well, so i rarely even hear them anymore. if people want to have loud shit, thats their choice. i couldnt care much less about it.
 
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