Gays in the military?

[Isla]

Rape is not about sexual attraction.

Rape is about control and domination. Rape is about anger! You can pay for sex... rape is a thrill for those who seek to hurt and humiliate.

There are people who are sure to disagree with me, but when I was doing my undergraduate work in Psychology and Sociology, rape was a hot topic.

People who rape other people have much bigger issues than homosexuality.

 

[BigToque]

Valhalla1,

What does it matter that I'm a Platinum member? I could have 10 posts and still express the same opinion. If you have a problem with my views, express them.

My view is this; Having homosexual people in the military would be distracting to heterosexual people and would cause unnecessary problems. I also believe that being homosexual is not normal and the people that are homosexual have a problem, wether it be a)a genetic problem b)a mental problem c)a social problem d)something else.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Why aren't there co-ed showers in most places? Because straight men can't control themselves a lot of the time. Same probably would go for gay guys if they weren't already conditioned to controlling themselves by hiding from homophobes.

If you're so unstable that you can't stand to be in the shower with someone of the opposite sex long enough to get clean without attacking her, then you certainly aren't stable enough to be protecting my life and my home.

 

[Valhalla1]

okay, whatever.. I dont participate in rape so I dont know much about it, but we're getting off topic here!

man, i can't get those wasted high school years of non-co-ed showering out of my head. because, like you all said, there would be no problems, so whats the big deal?

 

[JellyBaby]

Young people are by definition more horny than older people. The military is composed mostly of young people. There's no room for wandering minds during a war. Therefore, the best configuration for groups of people who work closely together and who need to be absolutely focused is one where folks aren't physically or emotionally attracted to each other.

That scene in Starshoop Troops where the boyz and galz were showering together all the while talking shot is fiction! No man could concentrate in such an environment! That whole scene is BS.

Hehe of course it's possible to overcome these base urges. Eventually the US military will be a mixed force of men and women with sexual preference being a non-issue. But it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

 

[Raspewtin]

<< Gays in the military? >>



I say if gays want to be in the military let them. And if women want certain combat positions, let them also. Then if war breaks out, there is less probability they'll draft me. Of course I have no military experience, so I would not know firsthand the issues involved with straight and gay individuals working together in a military environment.



BTW, I heard Alexander the Great was gay. How's that for gays in the military?

 

[Valhalla1]

whoa WHOA!! Stefan.. buddy.. I agreed with you 100% dude, I was saying that its nice to have members of this board who don't fear being &quot;politcally incorrect&quot; and are able to actively use their first amendment rights.

so chill man. its all good.


now...



<< If you're so unstable that you can't stand to be in the shower with someone of the opposite sex long enough to get clean without attacking her, then you certainly aren't stable enough to be protecting my life and my home >>




okay. if this was directed at me, you'd better apologize immediately. and, you're inferring that every straight (read: normal) man goes around raping women left and right. that is laughable, my non-heterosexual friend. step into the light, let me show you how fun a woman can be. I could hook you up on some blide dates with some chicks. I'm all about make love not war.

 

[BigToque]

sorry Valhalla,

I took it as an insult at first. I didnt even realize you posted the thread and we had the same views.

 

[GL]

Valhalla1,

Who causes the problem? By your logic, we wipe out the problem by not having gays in the military. By your logic (applied to the issue of rape) we avoid rape by telling all women to be covered head to toe right? WRONG. You get rid of the problem by getting rid of the perpetrators - wearing skimpy clothing doesn't cause rape in the same sense that being gay and in the military doesn't cause somebody to gay bash you. We lock up rapists and ensure they don't see the light of day for as long as possible. Similarly, a bunch of homophobics who are so immature that they can't handle doing their job and accepting orders while in the presence of somebody whose gay should be removed from the army too. Personally, if I was in the army I'd want to be friends with everybody...they could very well save my a$$ (no pun intended)from a very bad fate.

-GL

 

[Soybomb]

You know how those gays are.....they see a butt and just can't control themselves! Seriously they're just people too, they can control their sexual urges just like any heterosexual can. I say why not... you're not going to be raped in the shower. Everyone is an adult and should dela with it in an adult way.

 

[Lord Evermore]

The issue of rape is pretty much the only reason there is for not allowing mixed showers.

If straight men weren't so hung up and scared of gays, then there wouldn't be any problem at all. Why punish gay men who want to do a good thing, simply because straight men have their heads up their asses (and aren't enjoying it )?

The issue does come down to one thing: homophobia. You worry that it will cause awkwardness? Only because of straight guys that are scared of gay guys. The gay men would only feel awkward because they know what the straight guys are thinking. You worry about 'distractions'? If you aren't disciplined enough that sexuality is not a distraction while you're in a tense situation, then you shouldn't be in that type of situation and you need to go back to training.

 

[Valhalla1]

alright, quit accusing me of thinking these homos are going to rape people. I said twice now that I'm not talking about rape, thats another issue

 

[Valhalla1]

ahh, evermore once again accusing the whole straight-male world of raping people constantly. how nice.

 

[Lord Evermore]

<< if this was directed at me, you'd better apologize immediately >>



I feel no need to apologize, as it quite obviously (to everyone else at least) was not aimed at you. There's this thing called 'generalization'. It also should have been quite obvious that I was not referring to every straight man raping women left and right. I was specifically referring to those people in all walks of life, but specifically the military since that's the topic of discussion, who are so uncontrollable that they will force themselves on someone else. That type of person should not be allowed into the military, regardless of orientation, and it should be discovered long before it becomes an issue. Yet, strangely, you hear about that sort of thing all the time, but gay men who probably are less of a threat to the people around them, aren't allowed in.

 

[Valhalla1]

I'd be willing to bet that there are just as many gay rapes as straight rapes. prison sex isn't exactly consentual.

 

[Valhalla1]

say WHAT? now you are saying that every straight man in the military goes around raping people. what makes men in the military more likely to rape than anyone else?


and in your statement you used the word you several times. might want to call up your elementary school grammar teacher, but that word is most often used when you're directing a comment to someone, also known as the &quot;second person&quot;

 

[Lord Evermore]

HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHA

You really think every guy in prison that buttfscks another man is gay?

Sorry, after that one, I'm out of this. You're never going to have a clue what I'm trying to point out to you, and I feel sorry for someone like you that lives with so much fear and hate (whether you'll admit it or not).

 

[GL]

The most ridiculous assumption made by homophobics concerned about gays in the military is that there isn't a substantial population of gays already in the military. Better take a quick look...throughout history there have even been Commanders in Chief who swung the other way

One day being gay won't be such a big deal (for those who are unprejudiced or try to be, it already isn't). 30 some odd years ago, Americans were grappling with allowing &quot;colours&quot; into the school system. Apparently it would cause some conflict and be very distracting to the &quot;white&quot; students. But...oh wait...let me double check my facts...the only people that caused distractions and conflicts were white people who had their heads bent on hate for the sake of hate. Yeah they burned cars, threatened students and shot at fellow white U.S. Marshalls. All the while, the coloured people only wanted to go to class.

-GL

 

[Valhalla1]

HAHAHAA

I love the fact that every gay man thinks any straight man who doesnt agree with him is somehow &quot;afraid&quot; of homos. like I said, butt-fuc# whoever you want on your own time, as long as I dont have to hear about it, no problem.

 

[uncouth]

what about lesbians in the military? no outcry about that...

and either way I say yes. In this age of acceptance of all and anti-discrimination it is impossible to be otherwise.

 

[Valhalla1]

ummm yeah, no one hates anyone in this thread, got it? it all boils down to this -


everyone seems to have come to the consensus here that since its okay for gays to live with, shower with, be around 24/7, bunk with, etc. along with the sex they are sexually attracted to...

BUT

straight men don't have the same oppurtunities to get &quot;quality naked time&quot; with the sex THEY are attracted to.. (back to those high school showers!)

then its obviously unconstitutional! equal protection clause.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< One day being gay won't be such a big deal >>

GL is correct, I believe. Like it or not gayness is here to stay. I personally wouldn't recommend it to friends and family but it was here in the past, is here now and will be here in the future.

Thing is some feel you can't simply open the military's zipper in one, long pull so to speak. Slow change through time is best (some call this phenomonon &quot;evolution&quot, especially with the controversial stuff.

 

[Valhalla1]

homophobic? nah - you're just heterophobic. you fear every hetero man because according to you, all straight men go around raping people and are unable to control their sexual urges

 

[IBMer]

The biggest reason there isn't a situation like in Starship Troupers is because of the censoring of society of the naked body. They make it something naughty and perverse. Once we become accustom to this, then scenes like in Starship Troopers will be very possible.

This is also the situation with Homosexuality. It is censored and people don't understand it. Now you see it in TV shows like Wil and Grace and Dawson's Creek and it shows the human side of it and biggots like some of the people above who haven't a clue can finally see what is reality and not what exists in their closed mind.

BTW, Leonardo De Vince was also gay. Also the Spartan Military in Greece were all gay. One of the greatest militaries of history.

 

[Valhalla1]

I'd like to see documentation to prove that the whole spartan military was gay.

and lets not forget free speech here. people have the right to state their opinions.


I stick by my theory that its unconstitutional.


either make it fair by making gays shower/sleep seperately in the military, or get rid of them.. or let bathe in public with naked hot females. or else this is going to the suprme court, I tell you!