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cKGunslinger
Lifer
Wait.. tell me why homosexuality should "obviously" be accepted in a "healthy" society. What benefit does it serve? Basically, that's *your* opinion. You believe that putting your reproductive organ in an orafice designed for the removal of body waste should be accepted, but drinking alcohol in mass quantities should not be. Who are you to say this? You may have that opinion, yes, but that's all it is. You don't have to make everyone else believe as you and "respect" that.
You are comparing "actively drinking" to "being homosexual." That's not fair. Alcoholics can drive and work just fine when they are not drinking. Just like homosexuals can drive and work when they are not practising homosexual acts. If you want to talk about "drunk driving," you have to compare it with something like "giving oral sex while driving." And yes, both of those acts are unsafe and would inhibit your ability to perform at work. You can be an alcoholic and not have it affect anyone but yourself. But that doesn't stop "nosy" people from telling you that it is wrong. But where are the defenders for that? The ACLU doesn't fight cases where alcoholics are discriminated against. People are up in arms about the ban on gay marriage, but what about "dry counties" that don't sell liquor? Or "no alcohol sold on Sunday" laws? Isn't that discrimination, too?
Yes, people are intolerant of homosexuality. So what? If I am one of those people, why should I change? Am I not allowed to have opinions like everyone else? If there is no reason to be ashamed of turning 180° and going in the exact opposite direction that nature/God/what-have-you designed for you, then why should people who enjoy malted grains feel that way? You seem to be "intolerant" of alcoholics. Do I have the right to "demand" that you change and "respect" me?
I personally have nothing against gay people. They are free to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people, just like every other citizen . I'm just saying, there are a *lot* of things that are not accepted or tolerated, why is homosexuality at the top of the list to "fight" for? Why do the opinions of other people matter so much? Just be happy with who/what you are and stop worrying so much. Just like the rest of us have been doing...
Guy, stfu and get out of my thread.
I didn't want this to turn into some gay bashing thread, but mindless fvckheads like you always find a way to be complete worthless assholes.
Good job.
Anyway, for those who may be interested, I am comparing alcoholism to homosexuality. I see it as a valid comparison. They are both disorders.
Sorry, alcoholism isn't like sexuality.
I don't even know where to begin responding to this. Yes, there is such a thing as a functioning alcoholic who goes to work and does his job normally. Unfortunately, there's also the people who let the bottle make their decisions for them. If you don't agree that alcoholism is a bad thing for society, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm simply pointing out that people are intolerant of something that 99% of the time doesn't even affect them, in this case, homosexuality. They're simply intolerant for a multitude of stupid reasons. How does the fact that some people want to have sex with people of their own gender affect me? Nothing.
The alcoholic may very well be a productive member of society just like anyone else, but he may very well also be a drunk driver who plows through a school and kills a bunch of kids. He may end up in the hospital with cirrhosis while his family grieves for him. He may...you get the idea. You ask me to be tolerant of that?
Again, this analogy just doesn't make any sense to me. The gay person and the alcoholic may both be productive members of society, but I fail to see the potential for the detrimental effect on society that homosexuality may have, whereas alcoholism certainly does have that potential.
You're entitled to an opinion and God forbid that I should be the one to take that away from you. However, I'm certainly not going to agree with someone's (this is just an example) opinion that gay people should be shot. I'll disagree but I'm not going to hold them down and attempt to brainwash them into believing something else.
If people want to wear their causes on their sleeves and let the world know what they think (a la pasting a rainbow sticker on their car), that's a different story from someone trying to browbeat people into believing something else or killing someone because they don't believe the same thing you do.
You ask why the opinions of other people matter so much? They may not matter so much in certain situations, but when you have a situation where a group of guys kills or beats someone because they're gay, that certainly matters.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
You're right. I meant to say "Yes, original poster, I agree 100% with whatever it was you said and have no opinion of my own, like a good little ATOT'er. Rah-rah, go team go!" :roll:
If you can honestly say you saw anything that could even remotely be described as 'gay-bashing' in any of my posts, then you are the one with issues, buddy. Either serious English-language comprehension issues, or some misplaced, deep-seated anger at something. Either way, I shall leave "your thread" very soon.
Turin39789
Lifer
you compared it with a physically, mentally, and socially dangerous disorder? One that requires serious treatment to cure, either throuth mental services or a 12-step program? Might have rubbed someone the wrong way there
cKGunslinger
Lifer
I'm torn between trying to discuss this or just ignoring you after your last reply. I fear this will go downhill fast, given your demonstrated maturity level. But I shall assume the best and that your last post was perhaps a fluke.
Why isn't alcoholism like sexuality? Please explain in detail.
I don't know how old you are, but maybe you are young enough to still be naive enough to believe that all alcoholics are those "dirty, homeless bums" you pass on the street, or those "wife-beating rednecks" you see on COPS. That's not the case. A lot of the people you meet each and every day are "closet" alcoholics.
There have been several studies trying to find the "cause" of alcoholism, just like there have been to find the "cause" of homosexuality. So far, both studies have been relatively inconclusive. There hasn't been a specific gene or DNA-sequence identified, or any trace of a disease or mutagen. It doesn't appear to be totally related to upbringing or the environment, either They both appear to be some sort of psychological disorder. Except that alcoholism is called a disorder, but it is apparently wrong to call 'homosexuality' the same.
There used to be AA-type meetings and 12-step programs for homosexuals several decades ago, to try and 'cure" them of their "perversion." They mostly failed, same as AA for alcoholics typically does. They just forced the participant to suppress their urges. Now it would be a serious faux pas to suggest we "rehabilitate" gays today, but we still have forced AA counceling. This is my point.
I'm sorry if you can't see the similarities between these two and don't care to discuss it intelligently. But please don't label me as some 'gay-bashing assh*le' when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
No, there are not.
Yes, read my above post. Here I'll quote it for you, since your reading comprehension seems to be at the pinnacle of human ability.
Homosexuality isn't a disorder. I didn't mean to get all up in your face, but your post was just asking for a flamewar. This thread was going very well until that point.
So, a thread about catching a squirrel, or paying the texas govt with pennies, or asking Mill whos life he would trade for his dogs, or a thread about how dumb syringer is, or a thread about a lame photoshop attempt to insult alkemyst, or a thread about it sucks when someone doesn't leave after they spend a drunken night at your place, or mabey how you almost killed your cat with a piece of steak, no no wait, buttering your cat is great thread material too, I could go on, but your thread subject matter doesn't get any better.
I think the best one you made was when you asked the forum if you were a troll. They promptly responded with a YES.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
I can't beleive you just said that! How is that any different from people saying "Homosexuals may rape and molest our children because they are sexual deviants"? It's not. It's the same intolerant bullsh1t you seem to be so against! There was a thread on ATOT recently about "What are you against." I only listed one thing, hypocrisy. And here it is in full swing.
I'm not asking you to be tolerant of anything, it is you who are making demands. If you want to beleive that alcoholics are drunk-driving, school children-murdering, heartless bastards, go right ahead. If I want to believe that gay-pride stickers on cars are silly, I'll do the same. Case closed.
:roll:
You're putting words in my mouth. I'm NOT making a broad generalization about alcoholics, rather I'm pointing out that an alcoholic can be a productive member of society OR he can be a threat to society. I'm not lumping them all into one category or the other.
The fact remains that alcoholism IS a problem, regardless of how well you've got your act together. You may not be a "bad person" in general, but you're still likely to suffer consequences if you continue to be an alcoholic for the duration of your life.
I'm discussing stickers on a car, not the general acceptance of alcoholism and homosexuality as a disorder. There is nothing to discuss, I really don't care. People flaunt their drinking all the time but has has nothing to do with their sexual preference, or the stickers they put on their car. I'm discussing the lameness of having gay pride stickers on cars and these people being proud that they are gay. The only parallel you are drawing between homosexuality and alcoholism is that they both have no proven root cause and could be considered psychological disorders. Other than that your post serves no meaning at all in relation to the topic.
I didn't mean to snap so quickly, but I didn't want this thread to turn into a flamefest immediatly.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
Right. So you are saying there *are* parallels between alcoholism and homosexuality? They both can have members who are productive OR detrimental to society. Not all alcoholics are drunken, killing machines, just like all gays are not choirboy-raping Catholic priests. So we seem to be agreed up to this point.
Right, and I'm pointing out that what you call *fact* is not so, but rather an opinion. You may consider alcoholism a problem, but that doesn't make it so. If someone wanted to drink themselves silly in the privacy of their own home, why is that any concern of yours? It's not. Just as it's not any of our concern if people want to engage in same-sex relations in the same setting. You can argue that alcoholism *can* lead to drunk-driving, liver problems, etc. But I can argue that homosexuality *can* lead to child molestation, STDs, etc. See? We seem to be agreeing on lots of points, but you still seem to be hung up on assuming I am wrong and you are right. You'll never get anywhere (debate-wise) with such a closed-minded attitude.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
*sigh* I am terribly sorry that the conversation moved away from the "pureness" that you originally intended. I shall refrain from ever replying to a thread unless every point of mine is of direct relation to the original topic. Perhaps I should run them all by you first for approval? I was replying to another member in the thread about what he posted. It was completely relevant to his message. The topic had strayed a bit away from rainbow stickers and gravitated more towards "gay-pride being accepted." In that regard, everything I've been discussing has been well withing the topic of discussion. I was simply postulating why other things are not as readily cheered for as gay-pride, and providing my reasoning for the question. The discussion proceeded from there.
In the future, may I suggest you refrain from posting potentionally inflamatory topics if you are so deathly afraid of discussion taking place within them. You do not "own" this thread or any other. You are the owner of each of your posts, and nothing more.
lobadobadingdong
Lifer
I'm still trying to figure out what all the yellow ribbons on cars is. A lot of old people have them.
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