If the Cruz guy really wanted to make a good argument, all he needed to say was, "You promote a policy of abstinence therefore these posters have no place in the school." He made the mistake of taking a religious standpoint on the matter. It is much harder to argue with pure unopinionated logic than with somebody's personal religious views.
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If the Cruz guy really wanted to make a good argument, all he needed to say was, "You promote a policy of abstinence therefore these posters have no place in the school." He made the mistake of taking a religious standpoint on the matter. It is much harder to argue with pure unopinionated logic than with somebody's personal religious views.
I think I see your problem. You think when people teach safe sex, they are saying, "go out and have sex with a condom right now." LOL. That is not how it works. Same goes for kids the risk of heavy drinking. Doesn't mean you give them a glass of wine to show them what is a good amount.
I don't think religion should be taught in school. But if the school is teaching something that goes against your beliefs (ie abortion is ok), as a student, you should be able to be excused from that part of the curriculum.
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In northeastern Kentucky, hundreds of students have defied the Ashland-Boyd County school district's "mandatory anti-harassment workshops" required by an agreement with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) that also allows the Gay-Straight Alliance student group to meet in school buildings. Some 324 students did not come to school the day the tolerance training video was shown, and hundreds more refused to watch it.
The ACLU has threatened to seek a court order to enforce attendance.
What the ACLU is doing here is complete BS. Stuff like this makes me wonder whether "tolerance" is truly their goal.
So a pro-Christian poster is for conversion, but a pro-gay poster is for tolerance. Got it.
I don't care what you put in your sig, frankly. If you think I support giving hard alcohol to 5th graders, you are kidding yourself. Teenagers are kids and drinking and driving is a big problem in that population. I also support drug education. Do you want to put that in your sig too? 😛 I will just assume you don't really understand what modern sex ed is all about.
The poster is in a school, and in fact, most of the gay kids in schools are probably virgins. And yet they are still bullied or teased for being gay. The bullying occurs, whether a homosexual individual is a slut/ whore or entirely celibate. Homophobes don't take the time to enquire about the gay person's sex life before they start the homophobic abuse.
So all they gay kids at school should just STFU when they are bullied for being gay? No-one is teased for being heterosexual, hence the lack of posters saying "Straight people are everyday people".
Yes, and gay kids continue to be homosexual, even when they are abstinent. And they continue to be bullied. Hence the need for "tolerance" messages.
It's only confusing because you are stupid. 😉
Yes, abstinence is a form of sexuality. Abstinent people make decisions about their sexual activities. Typically they continue to masturbate, while choosing not to engage in sexual activities with other people.
Celibate or abstinent individuals do not lack sexuality. They still have sexual attractions to other people of the opposite (or same) gender as themselves. They still need to find some way of dealing with their sexual attractions. I would guess that most abstinent or celibate people engage in masturbation. More to the point, abstinence education is morality education, or religious-based education. (It is not science-based education, as there is no evidence that it leads to healthier outcomes).
And so what do you say to gay kids who are bullied in schools? Tough sh1t?
The posters are not about being "pro homosexual" - they are about teaching people to respect other people who are different. This is socialisation 101 - treat people the way you want to be treated yourself. Don't bully people or attack people because they are different. Etc.
Abstinence is promoted based on the belief that it is morally undesirable or bad to have sex outside of wedlock. The belief that sex outside of marriage is morally bad is obviously a key aspect of Christian fundamentalist sexual morality. Promoting abstinence is obviously promoting a certain form of sexual morality (a form of sexual morality that many people would say is absurd, foolish.)
(the motivation underlying abstinence education must be considered primarily a religious motivation, as there is no convincing scientific evidence that abstinence education promotes healthier outcomes. Actually, relatively recently emerging evidence indicates kids who receive abstinence education are more likely to enage in risky sexual practices over the long term).
It is possible to be without a belief in a deity or deities, however it is not possible to be without a sexuality or sexual nature. Celibate people (who are sexually mature - i.e., teenagers and older) have a sexual preference and a sexual identity. Celibate people have sexual thoughts, desires, feelings - which they need to find a way of dealing with. Abstinence education in practice promotes masturbation as an alternative to sexual intercourse. Masturbation is certainly an aspect of sexuality. To suggest that abstinent people lack a sexuality, or that an abstinent lifestyle is not a form of sexuality, is absurd.
bamacre
Lifer
You make some good points here. But do we need to have posters for everyone that get's teased at school. You know, short kids, fat kids, kids with big ears, goofy hair, kids who are just unattractive. Kids with weird last names.
That's a lot of fvcking posters.
Ordinarily, I'd say suck it up. Be a man.
"The Bulockavitz's are everyday people."
:roll:
There should be anti-bullying programs in all schools. It is not acceptable for kids to be bullied at school for any reason - race, hair, size of ears, anything. Schools are the legal guardians of children, the school has a legal (not to mention moral) obligation to provide a safe environment for children. No parent would leave their child at school each day if they thought their child was going to be in physical or psychological danger in the school environment. School must be an environment where children are able to concentrate on their studies, it should not be an environment where children are terrorized by other children or teachers.
And should the lesbians be men, too? That advice isn't good enough, in my opinion. It is the school's legal obligation to provide a safe environment for all children. That means the school needs to implement programs to deal with and prevent bullying.
There is a reservoir of hatred against gays in our society, that goes far beyond any hostility people may have towards those with big ears or weird hair. There is also a great deal of misunderstanding among the community re: what gay people are like. Hence the need for the "Gay people are everyday people" posters.
Steeplerot
Lifer
actually it would be a great idea to show these kids how to deal with drugs responsibly,
in a controleld safe enviroment, better then under a bridge somewhere.
The crack, have a field trip to the ghetto and show them people smoking rock and shooting up,
then there is no mystery surrounding these things.
I can't understand your view on education for some things and promoting ignorance on others.
They should have real sex ed too....a lot more into the psychology of relationships though then the actual act...teaching children is a lot more then the three R's and parents have failed in this country in that respect.
It is acceptable because the religious right supports abstinence and hates gay people. It is a double standard in the sense the religious activists think that their beliefs should be promoted and that the beliefs of others should be rejected.
How does one teach abstinence anyway?
How does one teach abstinence anyway?
bamacre
Lifer
When I was in 4th and 5th grade, I was a small guy and was bullied by these other two kids. It sucked. But I lived. Getting bullied in school is a part of growing up. Almost every kid goes through this.
That's one problem with kids these days, they are so sheltered. Spoiled. No pain, no gain. If a kid feels bullied, they aught to go to a teacher/administrator and get the issue resolved. Gay people are just like everyone else, no different. There's no need for any special treatment.
If I ever have kids they are going to be home-schooled. The Left, with a little help from bad parenting, has totally fvcked up our eductation system. Kids are getting dumber, they are getting shot at, test scores are dropping, etc., etc..
Zysoclaplem
Diamond Member
Bullying should not be part of any school experience, or any other experience for that matter. This type of behavior stems from insecurity issues.
Everyone is different. But one thing is for sure. We all have the capacity to overcome our baser instincts. Aggression, Anger, Jealousy, etc...etc..
Why don't we?
Because of how we are raised, and what we are taught. That needs to change if we are to progress in society.
Everyone is different. But one thing is for sure. We all have the capacity to overcome our baser instincts. Aggression, Anger, Jealousy, etc...etc..
Why don't we?
Because of how we are raised, and what we are taught. That needs to change if we are to progress in society.
I think anybody and everybody would agree with what you said here. It is common sense. The problem is how are you going to bring it about? Almost any person would agree with what you said but the problem is people don't practice what they preach. Sometimes consciously but more often unconciously. And probably most of all, they don't APPEAR to be practicing what they preach because of the way other people perceive their actions. It sometimes never occurs to a person that somebody could interpret the meaning of their actions as other than the way they were intended. And the people who perceived the actions "incorrectly" are very rarely willing to stop and reevaluate what could be mitigating circumstances. They just jump to conclusions. It's all human nature and comes naturally. People are very fast to point out wrongs of others but are often blind to their own wrongs when they look in the mirror. We don't see how other people perceive us and so conflict arises.
Very interesting arguments. I think political posters have no place in a school settings. Any poster that represents and issue for a single group of people is a political poster. I have seen similar posters to this like the "It takes a village to raise a child" poster. They are just political posters that the liberal teachers union is trying to use to indoctrinate your children. Maybe the kids should just take these posters down and burn them or tare them up in protest? Students tend not to do such things unless some parent or organization plants a suggestion for such behaviour in their minds.
It is interesting that students can get expelled for wearing clothing with logos or writing on them, but a teacher can put this stupid trash up in a school. Kind of like calling the kettle black.
It is interesting that students can get expelled for wearing clothing with logos or writing on them, but a teacher can put this stupid trash up in a school. Kind of like calling the kettle black.
Do you have any evidence that shows that gay people are somehow bullied far more than everyone else? Seems like everyone is getting bullied.
Who are the victims of bullying?
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"The victim is often singled out because of his/her psychological traits more than his/her physical traits. They are likely to be shy, sensitive, anxious, insecure, have low self-esteem and lack social skills. Physical traits that tend to be picked on are being overweight, physically small, having a disability, or belonging to another race."
Doesn't mention gay anywhere.
The radical left claims this is about "tolerance" and "equal rights". What a crock. Nope, its about gay pride and identify and the need to feel "special" so they constantly shove their agenda in your face. No wonder the country is backlashing against them.
Steeplerot
Lifer
why would it not be about gay pride? people are sick of the backwards idiots treating them like sh1t unless your a braindead hick like them.
why would you want to be one of these people? racist, homophobic, intolerant and sadly misinformed about current events and prone to religious brainwashing.
the backlash of the american people will soon put the rednecks back in the stone age where they belong.
The people you speak of are the folks watching cable tvnews and other right wing parrot crap with their "anti-activist" agenda.
the lowest braincell count americans subscribe to these myths, and buy into it good job perpetuating their agenda.
why would you want to be one of these people? racist, homophobic, intolerant and sadly misinformed about current events and prone to religious brainwashing.
the backlash of the american people will soon put the rednecks back in the stone age where they belong.
The people you speak of are the folks watching cable tvnews and other right wing parrot crap with their "anti-activist" agenda.
the lowest braincell count americans subscribe to these myths, and buy into it good job perpetuating their agenda.
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