Gay marriage and you (religious zealots)

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
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[psiu]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
If God gave them freedom of choice then why the hell dont you?

Because god gave me the freedom of choice.

And I choose not to have gay marriage. Getting married is NOT a right.

So there!
😛

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: FoBoT
are you an anarchist?

give me a couple examples of laws that you think are ok

I believe any law that prevents another individuals rights from being infringed upon are okay.

IE - Laws against murder, theft, rape.

I fail to see a right being taken away from people when two men or two women marry therefor I disagree that it is necessary.

You're infringing upon their right not to be offended by something even though they're not quite sure why they're offended by it. They just know it's yucky, and there oughtta be a law....and stuff.

We They have the right to infringe upon others rights because theyre offended and im attempting to infringe upon their right to do so because im offended? Youre confusing. This creates a very circular logic doesn't it?

I was being sarcastic to make a point. 😉

🙂 Its hard to tell sarcasm from hard core religious fanatics. I dont have enough history in OT to judge it based on your SN yet.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: FoBoT
is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

There are financial benefits

isn't that the purpose of the "civil union" ? to give the financial benefits ?

Whats the purpose of calling it something different?

Also civil unions dont provide every benefit marriage does.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: FoBoT
are you an anarchist?

give me a couple examples of laws that you think are ok

I believe any law that prevents another individuals rights from being infringed upon are okay.

IE - Laws against murder, theft, rape.

I fail to see a right being taken away from people when two men or two women marry therefor I disagree that it is necessary.

You're infringing upon their right not to be offended by something even though they're not quite sure why they're offended by it. They just know it's yucky, and there oughtta be a law....and stuff.

We They have the right to infringe upon others rights because theyre offended and im attempting to infringe upon their right to do so because im offended? Youre confusing. This creates a very circular logic doesn't it?

I was being sarcastic to make a point. 😉

🙂 Its hard to tell sarcasm from hard core religious fanatics. I dont have enough history in OT to judge it based on your SN yet.

If I say something that makes you go 😕....I'm probably being sarcastic. 😉

 

[DAGTA]

Here I thought other people were sick enough of the election crap to let things drop for a while. I was wrong.

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
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[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Because when would it end.


"Me and my sheep wanna git hiched"

Wrong.

Separate issue. Sheep not sentient. Slippery slope.

I think the beastiality issue is way off center.. after all that would infringe upon the sheep's rights not to be abused or something.

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: FoBoT
are you an anarchist?

give me a couple examples of laws that you think are ok

I believe any law that prevents another individuals rights from being infringed upon are okay.

IE - Laws against murder, theft, rape.

I fail to see a right being taken away from people when two men or two women marry therefor I disagree that it is necessary.

You're infringing upon their right not to be offended by something even though they're not quite sure why they're offended by it. They just know it's yucky, and there oughtta be a law....and stuff.

We They have the right to infringe upon others rights because theyre offended and im attempting to infringe upon their right to do so because im offended? Youre confusing. This creates a very circular logic doesn't it?

I was being sarcastic to make a point. 😉

🙂 Its hard to tell sarcasm from hard core religious fanatics. I dont have enough history in OT to judge it based on your SN yet.

If I say something that makes you go 😕....I'm probably being sarcastic. 😉

Sometimes when I say things that make people go 😕 I am not even being sarcastic 🙁

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Because when would it end.


"Me and my sheep wanna git hiched"

Wrong.

Separate issue. Sheep not sentient. Slippery slope.

I think the beastiality issue is way off center.. after all that would infringe upon the sheep's rights not to be abused or something.

It's really more an issue of consent, IMHO. I don't know why this even comes up, since it's really a pretty stupid argument.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Because when would it end.


"Me and my sheep wanna git hiched"

Wrong.

Separate issue. Sheep not sentient. Slippery slope.

I think the beastiality issue is way off center.. after all that would infringe upon the sheep's rights not to be abused or something.

It's really more an issue of consent, IMHO. I don't know why this even comes up, since it's really a pretty stupid argument.

😛

OK, so maybe I could have done better.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Because when would it end.


"Me and my sheep wanna git hiched"

Wrong.

Separate issue. Sheep not sentient. Slippery slope.

I think the beastiality issue is way off center.. after all that would infringe upon the sheep's rights not to be abused or something.

It's really more an issue of consent, IMHO. I don't know why this even comes up, since it's really a pretty stupid argument.

I am waiting for the multiple partners arguement at least that one becomes debatable but seriously.. a sheep?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

heh, that's why we vote.

And we voted So, sorry. NOT....try again.

 

[Brutuskend]

I guess the bottom line is MOST people in this country are STILL against same sex marriage.

Agree or disagree, the people have spoken.

I'm not real happy to have Bush for another four years, but there it is....

 

[Ikonomi]

Arrr, ye filthy zee-lots!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Because when would it end.


"Me and my sheep wanna git hiched"

Wrong.

Separate issue. Sheep not sentient. Slippery slope.

I think the beastiality issue is way off center.. after all that would infringe upon the sheep's rights not to be abused or something.

It's really more an issue of consent, IMHO. I don't know why this even comes up, since it's really a pretty stupid argument.

I am waiting for the multiple partners arguement at least that one becomes debatable but seriously.. a sheep?

The bigamy argument is probably the closest one since you're (presumably) talking about consenting adults.

The bit that cracks me up about that is that it semi-undermines the no-gay-marriage argument since a marriage with one man and several women could produce a mess of babies (marriage being at least partially about procreation being one thing people use to argue against gay marriage). 😛

 

[Brutuskend]

BTW: It's NOT just the religious zealots.

I'm am very anti organized religion, and yet I still can't see same sex marriage.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

heh, that's why we vote.

And we voted So, sorry. NOT....try again.

So if somehow State X voted that women are not allowed to work.... it's OK?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

heh, that's why we vote.

And we voted So, sorry. NOT....try again.

For the 1340981703th time; the opinion of the people doesn't somehow make the law "correct" in an absolute sense. Yes, they voted against it, but there's no concrete reason for this law to be on the books. The people are entitled to their opinions, but their opinions shouldn't necessarily be law.

See also: segregation.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
BTW: It's NOT just the religious zealots.

I'm am very anti organized religion, and yet I still can't see same sex marriage.

Can you think of a good reason to disallow it other than you finding it distasteful?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

heh, that's why we vote.

And we voted So, sorry. NOT....try again.

So if somehow State X voted that women are not allowed to work.... it's OK?

poor analogy. one needs work to live.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: FoBoT
so many straight people live together without getting married these days, what difference does it make?

why do any non-religious people get married? is there a reason to get married if you don't think it is a sin to live together without marriage?

exactly. people always say, "what business do u have saying they can't get married", but i say "what business do they have getting married in the first place?" give them their unions or whatever and be done with it. if they want legal status as significant other or whatever, that's fine. but don't come in my church and say "you MUST marry us" just because you want a ceremony and a wedding ring and think its your right to have one.

Your church doesnt have to marry them by the way. They can get married without involving any religion at all. You can go get a liscence and be married by a non-minister.

I think most people get confused when they believe that marriage is a religious thing.

I would let the issue drop for now if they had equal rights in that legal status but the fact is that they do not and some states have went so far as to even ban civil unions.

heh, that's why we vote.

And we voted So, sorry. NOT....try again.

For the 1340981703th time; the opinion of the people doesn't somehow make the law "correct" in an absolute sense. Yes, they voted against it, but there's no concrete reason for this law to be on the books. The people are entitled to their opinions, but their opinions shouldn't necessarily be law.

See also: segregation.

so why is it allowed?

If it is on the books then it is kosher and is law. There's nothing preventing it from being such.

It is up to the state to recognize marriage, the state decided it didn't want same-sex marriage. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

-edit- I can think of a whole bunch of laws I don't like and don't find "correct." But they are laws none the less.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
BTW: It's NOT just the religious zealots.

I'm am very anti organized religion, and yet I still can't see same sex marriage.

Mind if I ask a couple questions? You don't believe same sex couples should be allowed to marry. How about....

Allowing a single homosexual person to adopt children?
Allowing joint custody of a child by two same sex people?
Allowing a same sex couple to have the same protective benefits that a different sex couple would?