Gas prices are ever increasing

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Originally posted by: 2cpuminimum
1. There is no logical reason why limiting immigration would have a net negative impact on the environment unless you are starting with the assumption that once in america, people can't help but live in a way that is more harmful to the environment than before. Immigration does not effect total world population.
Perhaps you were thinking of procreation? Yes it would be logical for environmentalists to push for mandatory sterilization of anyone who has more than two children, and government funded sterilization for anyone 18 or older who desires it. For that matter, anti-abortionists should be clammoring for government funded sterilization for anyone who gets an abortion, to prevent repeat offenders. To do otherwise is extreme hypocrisy. Furthermore the "a woman should control her own body" camp should be up in arms over birth control requiring a prescription, and against places that won't give birth control without a physical exam. FYI contraceptives have been shown to help prevent cancer, and a pap smear has no bearing on if it is safe for a person to take birth control. There is no good reason for birth control to not be over the counter. For that matter, poor people should be able to buy it with food stamps since that would ultimately save the government money.

2. The main reason organized environmental groups don't do anything for population control is that there are other, less controversial means of helping the environment that benefit everyone without taking away peoples freedom. Like switching to renewable fuels and wind energy, and replacing trucks with trains as the means of cargo distribution.

3. If we adjust society such that the pollution per person is lower in the US than anywhere else, then logically allowing immigration would decrease pollution globally.

well..there is a logical reason. much of our immigration comes from latin america. esp mexico where they basically use illegal immigration to alleviate their chronic problems with over population and poverty. this crutch just lets them avoid finding a solution to their corrupt system and thus the problems continue to fester. if they had no choice but to stare their problem straight in the face and curb excess growth, the total impact on the enviroment would be a positive one. i know what you are saying is basically the damage is spread all over, but in reality giving over populating countries a pass really only exacerbates the problem. more countries should be like china with their population control policy. it is the only way to go. the proactive solution.

and no, the reason the enviromentalist groups don't want to talk about this is merely political correctness. it is the elephant in the room. it is the factor that nullifies all other efforts they are behind and they know it. but they so fear the label of racism that they are willing to cut themselves off at the knees.

and it really doesn't matter if you lower the pollution per person in the us if that is totally ofset by the free immigration policy enabling other countries to ignore their popultion problems. it is a fantasy anyways, the reality is we are spreading out into ever expanding suburbs, consuming more and more. things like drinking water are finite resources, things like traffic only get worse. by the time you get your fantasy utopia you will have enabled enough population increase that it will be for naught.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: isekii
I'm moving to Venezuela STAT.
for their cheap gas and their sexy women.

Go for the gas and women. Stay for the psuedo-facist socialist state.

 

[SirBrass]

Originally posted by: SkoorbMost of us wouldn't give a fvck if our passenger vehicles hadn't had a net _DECREASE_ in MPG in the past twenty years.

Dunno about you and your car, but when I last filled up on gas, my mpg was 28 mpg (about 10 gallons. trip meter was at 283 miles), and I drive a 2005 Subaru Forester XS.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Been holding here at 2.19 at the lowest places for about 1-2 weeks now.

Thanks CA.:disgust:

I paid $2.45 a gallon yest for 93 octane.

locally 87 octane is from $2.17- $2.29 depends on location/brand

 

[Canterwood]

Wow, you Americans are so lucky paying such low prices for petrol (gas).

On this over populated p1ss p0t little island we call the UK, we get bent over and 'royally' shafted by our Government on fuel prices.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

And the logic at the pump is ever decreasing....

13GALLONS to fill up my 1990 Accord..for $30!!!!

INSANE

try $40 for the same car where i live.

 

[gar3555]

All you have to do is buy a vehicle that is set up for the new E85 gas, right now not many stations have it, but more are coming around, there are 3 close to me, but I live in the midwest, and the price of it is $.30-$.60 cheaper than regular gas...ie right now its at $1.65

 

[lobadobadingdong]

if you're that worried about it move to saudi arabia, it's like $0.07 per litre over there.

 

[Engineer]

Oh, and 87 octane is $1.99 in Lexington, KY right now!

(In 1998, when oil had fallen to $11 per barrell, gas in Lexington fell to $0.57 per gallon. Was $0.49 in Corbin, KY. Anyone remember the "good ole days"? )