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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Queasy
Texas is going to start building new clean coal-fired power plants soon (my dad will be going there to work on one of them). Did you know that the enviros don't want Texas to build these? This despite the fact that if Texas doesn't build new power plants, they'll be experiencing brown-outs and increased energy prices across the state in the next couple of years? How is this reasonable?
Coal power is not clean...period. They should build nukes, natural gas, solar, or wind instead. Coal power is just a bad idea.
The latest coal power plants use a mixture of scrubbers and other technology to produce relatively clean energy. Granted, it is not as clean as nuclear power plants but the enviros won't let us build those. Nuclear power is eeeevil man.
Can't build wind farms because birds might fly into the blades. Enviros don't like birds flying into wind farm blades....that is when they aren't blocking the view at the Kennedy Compound (Not to mention that the wind farms probably won't produce enough energy to meet Texas' needs).
Can't build natural gas since the supply of natural gas is tight because enviros won't let us drill for natural gas even 50 miles off the coast of Florida. Natural gas keeps getting more expensive every year as more plants are built and the supply gets tighter.
So yeah, when Texas is faced with a looming energy shortage, where else are they going to turn for power?
There are more than enough wind resources in Texas to provide for the entire electricity consumption of the state. Even if you only consider the areas with high enough wind to be very profitable (class IV and greater) there would be enough wind to provide for 123% of the state's total electricity consumption. http://www.infinitepower.org/reswind.htm
Currently wind power is the single most cost effective source of electricity for a new power plant. Coal and nuclear power are completely obsolete, and with extensive implementation of demand side management, natural gas peaking plants could also become obsolete. In the long run it will become cheaper to build long distance transmission lines to wind-poor areas than to build coal or nuclear power plants. Even if total wind power capacity continues to double every three years, it will be eighteen years before the intermittency of wind becomes a significant enough factor that any additional costs will have to be incurred because of it, to pre-empt likely complaints about that.
Most environmentalists are in favor of wind energy. The most powerful anti-wind lobbies are paid for by rich brats that don't want their coastal view spoiled. Even the british royal society for preservation of birds recognizes that properly placed wind farms pose more of a benefit to birds more from reduced pollution than a threat. Wind farms have an energy payback period of less than six months.
/threadjack
OK, back to cheap gas: I'll believe it when I see it, and expecting gas to rise again after the november elections isn't paranoid, it's appropriately cynical. Low gas prices may very well be the new "october surprise." I haven't seen anyone provide a factual contradiction to Dave's assertion that oil inventories have never dropped, just lots of people calling him paranoid. Maybe you never took logic, but that's called an ad hominem argument and it doesn't fly with me. Just because Dave is paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get him. Of course the evidence is hardly conclusive, but we've been given plenty of reason to be suspicious. Neoconservatives loved the movie "wag the dog" back in the nineties, but avoid all mention of it in the 21st century.
Also regarding the article, this line makes no sense "With oil inventories high, refiners that turn oil into gasoline are expected to cut production." Why would they cut gasoline production just because their oil supply was high? It would be more logical for them to maximize their output in response to decreased supply costs. Of course stockpiling oil inventories while prices are low is a great idea, but cutting usage due to a supply surge defies all logic. "Idaho turned out a record crop of potatoes, so McDonalds is expected to cut french fry production."