Gary Johnson put a fork in him he's done

[Fanatical Meat]

Bill Weld is now on MSNBC saying containment is probably the right strategy and once we commit boots on the ground like we have Assad has to go and ISIS can't stay.
This sounds pretty similar to Hillary and definitely interventionist.

*I voted for Weld he was a good Governor*

 

[Vic]

Let's be honest about something. While the issue is certainly front-and-center in the media and the election, ISIS and Syria are quite possibly the least important issue facing the American people in their daily lives. It is, quite literally, a phantom menace. Your likelihood of being killed or injured in a terrorist attack is almost zero. But... all the candidates, even Johnson, are going to promise to spend billions upon billions, if not trillions, of our tax dollars on it.
In the meantime, our roads and schools, as well as the rest of our nation's infrastructure, will continue crumbling from neglect, and our economic competitiveness will continue to decline.
This is how nations decline from greatness. Instead of supporting what made us great in the first place, we are -- out of fear -- focusing on how to stay great through force.

 

[werepossum]

Let's be honest about something. While the issue is certainly front-and-center in the media and the election, ISIS and Syria are quite possibly the least important issue facing the American people in their daily lives. It is, quite literally, a phantom menace. Your likelihood of being killed or injured in a terrorist attack is almost zero. But... all the candidates, even Johnson, are going to promise to spend billions upon billions, if not trillions, of our tax dollars on it.
In the meantime, our roads and schools, as well as the rest of our nation's infrastructure, will continue crumbling from neglect, and our economic competitiveness will continue to decline.
This is how nations decline from greatness. Instead of supporting what made us great in the first place, we are -- out of fear -- focusing on how to stay great through force.

There is a lot of truth to that, but I will add three modifiers. First, although I really like Johnson and will be voting for him, Libertarians are not exactly big advocates of increasing infrastructure spending. Second, we have considerable moral culpability here. Our toppling Iraq's strongman (and especially our botched rebuilding) allowed ISIS to become relatively strong in Iraq. Our arming of Syrian "freedom fighters" (read Islamists) allowed ISIS to become strong in Syria. To that extent, Aleppo is partially on us, since without us it would have remained a typical dictator-ruled Middle Eastern Islamic Charlie Foxtrot.

The third point is force projection. ISIS has a lot of income and a lot of influence worldwide. Either we destroy them and therefore discredit them, or we accept ISIS-inspired and -funded attacks as normal.

 

[MongGrel]

And what's Hillary's plan for getting us involved in Syria?

Since Libya she had been arming terrorists who caused the very violence you seem to care about. Should we continue to fuel war and violence over there, is more Aleppo's your idea of a "solution"?
I for one favor a candidate that is NOT arming terrorists, and not forcing regime change in the Middle East. But Democrats seem to have forgotten their anti war stance the moment Bush left office. Where are your principles now?

We have all ready been involved in Syria in one way or another awhile now.

U.S., Russia clinch Syria deal, aim for truce from Monday

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-kerry-idUSKCN11F0HC

Still miffs me off a bit Dubya Swift Boated Kerry, then went on a Haliburton rampage in Iraq.

"I want to be a war President Daddy", fools.

The amount of money and lives wasted from Cheney and company in that one was pathetic.

Trump would likely be worse.

 

[Vic]

We have all ready been involved in Syria in one way or another awhile now.

U.S., Russia clinch Syria deal, aim for truce from Monday

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-kerry-idUSKCN11F0HC

Still miffs me off a bit Dubya Swift Boated Kerry, then went on a Haliburton rampage in Iraq.

"I want to be a war President Daddy", fools.

The amount of money and lives wasted from Cheney and company in that one was pathetic.

Trump would likely be worse.

The biggest crime about the Iraq War is how they funded it largely off the books. The entire Bush administration was one big pump and dump Ponzi scheme, culminating with the housing bust, with the taxpayers being the losers and the debt blamed on the succeeding administration. They stole trillions of taxpayers money to fight a war that never should have been fought, and now they want to do it again with Trump. Unbelievable.

 

[chucky2]

The biggest crime about the Iraq War is how they funded it largely off the books. snip

You think that was the biggest crime?! How about 1.) taking resources away from Afghanistan to prosecute and do Iraq, 2.) not managing Afghanistan correctly, 3.) not managing Iraq correctly?

Fuck the money, the opportunity to actually get a start on the ME breaking out of 1000 year old social customs that are largely incompatible with the modern small international world was actually worth the risk, but that risk had to be managed correctly and Bush, the person in charge of the managers who were overseeing both those conflicts, was a horrible manager of his managers - and that is a huge part of the POTUS job description. Bush was way too buddy buddy with his immediate underlings...

 

[MongGrel]

You think that was the biggest crime?! How about 1.) taking resources away from Afghanistan to prosecute and do Iraq, 2.) not managing Afghanistan correctly, 3.) not managing Iraq correctly?

Fuck the money, the opportunity to actually get a start on the ME breaking out of 1000 year old social customs that are largely incompatible with the modern small international world was actually worth the risk, but that risk had to be managed correctly and Bush, the person in charge of the managers who were overseeing both those conflicts, was a horrible manager of his managers - and that is a huge part of the POTUS job description. Bush was way too buddy buddy with his immediate underlings...

So, basically Dubya was a fuck up.

But he will still have many millions of tax payer dollars paying for a presidential library, etc, and history will be kind to him ...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You think that was the biggest crime?! How about 1.) taking resources away from Afghanistan to prosecute and do Iraq, 2.) not managing Afghanistan correctly, 3.) not managing Iraq correctly?

Fuck the money, the opportunity to actually get a start on the ME breaking out of 1000 year old social customs that are largely incompatible with the modern small international world was actually worth the risk, but that risk had to be managed correctly and Bush, the person in charge of the managers who were overseeing both those conflicts, was a horrible manager of his managers - and that is a huge part of the POTUS job description. Bush was way too buddy buddy with his immediate underlings...

As farcical as it was I'm starting to think Howard Sterns joke from years ago is correct. Too many pissed off guys in the ME instead of schools and bridges we should have built strip clubs and sent over a bunch of funny money and hookers.
I'm really starting to believe if we followed that plan 10 or 12 years ago we'd be in a better situation today.

 

[chucky2]

So, basically Dubya was a fuck up.

But he will still have many millions of tax payer dollars paying for a presidential library, etc, and history will be kind to him ...

Well, he had the right idea, to go into both Afghanistan and Iraq, but he went Politician instead of Leader and F'd it up by not going whole hog and defining, every time he was at a presser (because the American sheeple are retard level short term memory) that this was going to take decades and not short years. Expectations needed to be set that weren't, and oversight was IMO severely lacking. Either do it right or don't do it. I know post 9/11 'don't do it' was basically impossible, but, if it's going to take 600k troops initial and publically stating you'll be there 30 years, then that's what it takes. Occupations and re-indoctinations take time and money, and the average American understands Walmart pricing and Starbucks turnaround time.

As farcical as it was I'm starting to think Howard Sterns joke from years ago is correct. Too many pissed off guys in the ME instead of schools and bridges we should have built strip clubs and sent over a bunch of funny money and hookers.
I'm really starting to believe if we followed that plan 10 or 12 years ago we'd be in a better situation today.

They'd keep the money, blow it on themselves and blow it on blowing others up, and kill the hookers (after F'ing them of course). If that was the plan we could just send over nothing.

 

[norseamd]

Even though it shows he knows absolute shit about geopolitics or world affairs, this is nowhere near by far the worst thing said in this election.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Meh? Really, meh?

First of all, come down out of your cloud, no President, even a "bad" one, "skips security briefings."

But the recent example of a "bad" President, i.e., one who is literally ignorant about the rest of the world and woefully unprepared to lead our nation, the Dub, is staring you in the face as a cautionary tale.

His Iraq war is the single worst foreign policy mistake in recent history, by a large margin. You can have all the experts you wish, but if you have an ignoramus at the center, a brutal and bloody and costly in every way possible tragedy like what Bush/Cheney perpetrated on us can and will occur.

I know what and where Aleppo is, and why knowing about it in the context of Syria is important. I assume you do, too. Most all of the posters here in this forum do, as well. Gary Johnson, laughably, did not.

If that doesn't scream to you what a shallow, unprepared, Clown College candidate to be our Commander-in-Chief he is, I don't know what else to say, except Gawd help us all.

Be completely honest (and anyone else in this thread).

Did you know what Aleppo was before the Syrian civil war (approx 5 years ago)?

How about 2 years ago (which is when people started to learn of "ISIS")?

If you answer no to any of these questions, why do you think it's such a big deal for someone not to be able to name one city in a single middle-eastern country? In all honesty, I really don't give a shit. Names of cities don't concern me. Could I have named it? Probably, it's been mentioned on media pretty regularly. Regardless, I look for a candidate that isn't so much concerned with policing the world city-by-city-by-city.

 

[ivwshane]

Even though it shows he knows absolute shit about geopolitics or world affairs, this is nowhere near by far the worst thing said in this election.

True, the bar has been set really, really, really low. Can you name the last election where a candidate talked about their penis?

 

[ivwshane]

Be completely honest (and anyone else in this thread).

Did you know what Aleppo was before the Syrian civil war (approx 5 years ago)?

How about 2 years ago (which is when people started to learn of "ISIS")?

If you answer no to any of these questions, why do you think it's such a big deal for someone not to be able to name one city in a single middle-eastern country? In all honesty, I really don't give a shit. Names of cities don't concern me. Could I have named it? Probably, it's been mentioned on media pretty regularly. Regardless, I look for a candidate that isn't so much concerned with policing the world city-by-city-by-city.

So you hold presidential candidates to the same standards as an anonymous forum poster?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So you hold presidential candidates to the same standards as an anonymous forum poster?

...Yes, actually, I hold them to be human. Just like me or you. Why do you feel as though your presidential candidate is the equivalency of a god?

One cannot be a mastermind of knowing everything in education. Tell me a presidential candidate that has:

1) Passed the Bar within the law degree realm
2) Has a masters in Economics/Finance/Business for the sake of knowing economical profession with a CPA.
3) Has a masters in history to know everything about every war from every country (such as Syria)
4) Has excellent public skills to speak vocally in public to the entire nation.

You won't find that. It's a pipe dream. It's cute, but it's still a pipe dream.

 

[ivwshane]

...Yes, actually, I hold them to be human. Just like me or you. Why do you feel as though your presidential candidate is the equivalency of a god?

One cannot be a mastermind of knowing everything in education. Tell me a presidential candidate that has:

1) Passed the Bar within the law degree realm
2) Has a masters in Economics/Finance/Business for the sake of knowing economical profession with a CPA.
3) Has a masters in history to know everything about every war from every country (such as Syria)
4) Has excellent public skills to speak vocally in public to the entire nation.

You won't find that. It's a pipe dream. It's cute, but it's still a pipe dream.

Are there any other straw men you'd like to tr out?

Lol! A god? I expect a presidential candidate whose main job is dealing with foreign affairs to at least have a clue about some of the biggest issues the US is facing and some of the largest events happening in the world right now.

You go ahead and lower that bar though, it's low expectations like your that allowed this country to elect George Bush and nominate Donald Trump.

 

[norseamd]

...Yes, actually, I hold them to be human. Just like me or you. Why do you feel as though your presidential candidate is the equivalency of a god?

One cannot be a mastermind of knowing everything in education. Tell me a presidential candidate that has:

1) Passed the Bar within the law degree realm
2) Has a masters in Economics/Finance/Business for the sake of knowing economical profession with a CPA.
3) Has a masters in history to know everything about every war from every country (such as Syria)
4) Has excellent public skills to speak vocally in public to the entire nation.

You won't find that. It's a pipe dream. It's cute, but it's still a pipe dream.

Bill Clinton

Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service - Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service - Georgetown University
Philosophy, Politics and Economics - Oxford University - never completed before transfer to Yale
Juris Doctor - Yale Law School

George W. Bush

Bachelor of Arts - History - Yale
Masters of Business Administration - Harvard Business School

Barack Obama

Occidental College - transferred
Bachelor of Arts - Political Science with specialization in International Relations - Columbia University
Juris Doctor - magna cum laude - Harvard Law School

Now that might not measure up to your very high requirements, but any of those is actually quite good by any standards.