Garnett's heading to the Celtics

[jlarsson]

Despite that report, I do believe Big Al Jefferson is still part of the deal considering McHale's Man-crush for Jefferson.

 

[thelanx]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Latest news:

As the trade currently stands, the Celtics would send Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, and two first-round picks to the Timberwolves for Garnett.

Al Jefferson is not included in the deal at the moment.

Yeah I saw that "report". I'd take it with a very large grain of salt. I'm going to assume it includes AJ, but if it doesn't thats a Babe Ruthian type of steal.

If Celtics keep Big Al, I'm gonna crap my pants in excitement. And I'm not even a Celtics fan.

 

[skooma]

If Celtics keep Big Al, I'm gonna crap my pants in excitement.

and you'd be alone? the deal makes no sense without jefferson.

so what, this deal, barring injuries, gets the celts into the playoffs with a legit shot of advancing to the finals. mmmm, playoff money...

 

[child of wonder]

Detroit is starting a decline right now but is still a quality team. Miami is falling out of contention as Shaq gets older and more injured. Cleveland is a rising team but lacks any real scoring threat outside of Lebron.

Boston will be the consensus top team in the East if the big 3 stay healthy.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pierce and Ray Allen will not happily co-exist as there's only one basketball on the floor at a time. Adding Garnett gives them instant credibility, at least in the weak east. But you still have to figure that Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago and possibly Miami are all better teams than the new Celts. They'll make the playoffs as a 5 seed and probably get bounced in the first round.

Umm wow. I'd say they'd be a top 3 team guaranteed. I'm not convinced Cleveland will do much until they get real playes around Lebron. Miami with an aging Shaq is a bit of an unknown, Detroit is on the downside I think, and Chicago has some promise but has yet to live up to much.


I see absolutely no way they lose in the 1st round of the playoffs in the East. NONE.

Toronto and Orland are going to give the east some grief this year. Orlando just picked up Rashard Lewis. Put him along with Howard and that is a potent offense. They have some good role players to surround them. Toronto *should* have won against NJ in the first round but they didn't have a fire in them. I think you'll see them have a bit more fire in their bellies this year.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Why didn't they trade Ray Allen/PP away? 3 stars is never going to work. 2 is just stretching it. PP and KG can work fine together. Allen and KG can work fine. PP, Allen, KG together will create trouble. But grats Celtic fans on selling your future for 3 years of losing the eastern conference finals.

What is it you're worried about? Saying "2 is stretching it" damages your credibility. Tell that to Scottie and MJ, Shaq and Kobe, Wade and Kobe, Stockton and Malone. Having Parker, Ginobli, and Duncan didn't hurt the Spurs. Worthy, Magic, and Kareem weren't complaining either. If anything, it's been shown that you need two stars to have a chance, and that 3 is even better.

It's true that you can't 3 people who dominate the ball, but that's not an issue here. Garnett doesn't dominate or demand the ball, so he can work with anyone. Pierce is also willing to share, if there's someone worth sharing with. Allen is the only one who demands shots, but since he'll get them, that's okay. Rajon Rando and whoever plays center certainly won't have a shoot first mentality.

 

[aurareturn]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pierce and Ray Allen will not happily co-exist as there's only one basketball on the floor at a time. Adding Garnett gives them instant credibility, at least in the weak east. But you still have to figure that Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago and possibly Miami are all better teams than the new Celts. They'll make the playoffs as a 5 seed and probably get bounced in the first round.

Are you on drugs?

Pierce, Ray, Garnet > anybody in the East.

That's a given. They're going to the Finals if they make the trade.

 

[Playmaker]

This is the same deal talked about in the week leading up to the draft, and Boston would not budge on Jefferson.

I don't know how he did it, but maybe McHale isn't such a fool after all. If this goes through, Minnesota fans should feel a lot more optimistic.

Oh, and I'm confident that will be a lottery pick. I don't see those 3 getting along for a whole season.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

If Jefferson is not included this is perhaps the worst deal of the century....for the T-Wolves. Mchale should be publicly hanged if he doesn't demand Jefferson. I think it's complete BS though, the T-Wolves would have to be outside their minds to accept this deal if Jefferson is not included. The GSW and Laker offers are better if Jefferson isn't part of it.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: rise

Having your 3 "stars" in their mid to late 30's probably isn't a recipe for success.

lol.

Ray Allen is 32, Garnett will be 31, and Pierce will be 30. Not that old. What has "youth" won for the celtics lately? I like the young guys but a lot of them need 3-4 more years to develop.

Yep, people forget how old MJ, Pippen, and Rodman were. Age has little to do with it when you've got players who know how to win big games. Which of course, neither Allen, Pierce, nor Garnett know how to do, but that's beside the point...and I've forgotten what that point is already.

Great move by McHale tho...it freezes up valuable cap space to try and sign a top free agent stud...who of course won't be stupid enough to sign and play for a McHale built team, thus leading McHale to lure another free agent who's well past their prime and over-pay him in order to get him to sign...just like Krause did with Jalen Rose - a desperate attempt to atleast field a team that can compete night in and night out roughly thru atleast the first two, occassionally three, quarters of 'most' games.

The future's looking good for former celtic GM's and their teams.

 

[maddogchen]

boooooooooo
he should head to the Warriors.

 

[jlarsson]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This is the same deal talked about in the week leading up to the draft, and Boston would not budge on Jefferson.

I don't know how he did it, but maybe McHale isn't such a fool after all. If this goes through, Minnesota fans should feel a lot more optimistic.

Oh, and I'm confident that will be a lottery pick. I don't see those 3 getting along for a whole season.

From what I read, there was a deal in place prior to the draft. Garnett and his agent didn't initially want to come to Boston. Not that Boston was reluctant to give up Jefferson.

After potential trades to LA and Phoenix have fallen through, and Boston picked up another shooter, I guess Garnett's changed his mind.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: jlarsson

Originally posted by: Playmaker
This is the same deal talked about in the week leading up to the draft, and Boston would not budge on Jefferson.

I don't know how he did it, but maybe McHale isn't such a fool after all. If this goes through, Minnesota fans should feel a lot more optimistic.

Oh, and I'm confident that will be a lottery pick. I don't see those 3 getting along for a whole season.

From what I read, there was a deal in place prior to the draft. Garnett and his agent didn't initially want to come to Boston. Not that Boston was reluctant to give up Jefferson.

After potential trades to LA and Phoenix have fallen through, and Boston picked up another shooter, I guess Garnett's changed his mind.

KG changing his mind doesn't surprise me. He seems like as big of a headcase/egomaniac as anyone in the NBA, he's just halfway decent at hiding it (being in MPLS helps).

 

[Juno]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Detroit is starting a decline right now but is still a quality team. Miami is falling out of contention as Shaq gets older and more injured. Cleveland is a rising team but lacks any real scoring threat outside of Lebron.

New Jersey will be the consensus top team in the East if the big 3 stay healthy.

fixed

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Juno

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Detroit is starting a decline right now but is still a quality team. Miami is falling out of contention as Shaq gets older and more injured. Cleveland is a rising team but lacks any real scoring threat outside of Lebron.

New Jersey will be the consensus top team in the East if the big 3 stay healthy.

fixed

NJ? Riiiiiiiiight. What depth do they have anywhere in the 4/5 spot? They won't be able to run Kidd 30+ minutes a night forever, Carter isn't a winner, and Jefferson has been injury prone and hasn't ever developed a consistent shot.

 

[skooma]

if you're a Celts fan, you'll be happy when all the particulars are announced.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: aurareturn

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pierce and Ray Allen will not happily co-exist as there's only one basketball on the floor at a time. Adding Garnett gives them instant credibility, at least in the weak east. But you still have to figure that Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago and possibly Miami are all better teams than the new Celts. They'll make the playoffs as a 5 seed and probably get bounced in the first round.

Are you on drugs?

Pierce, Ray, Garnet > anybody in the East.

That's a given. They're going to the Finals if they make the trade.

What have Pierce, Garnett and Ray ever won? Don't hurt yourself on that.

The success of the Spurs and the Pistons in recent years *should* have taught anyone with a brain that a bunch of whiney, shoot-first supposed superstars DON'T beat teams with solid role players, good D and balance. Hopefully someday you'll learn what everyone else already knows.

 

[jlarsson]

Originally posted by: skooma
if you're a Celts fan, you'll be happy when all the particulars are announced.

Oh, you can't tease us like that! Details?

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: aurareturn

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pierce and Ray Allen will not happily co-exist as there's only one basketball on the floor at a time. Adding Garnett gives them instant credibility, at least in the weak east. But you still have to figure that Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago and possibly Miami are all better teams than the new Celts. They'll make the playoffs as a 5 seed and probably get bounced in the first round.

Are you on drugs?

Pierce, Ray, Garnet > anybody in the East.

That's a given. They're going to the Finals if they make the trade.

What have Pierce, Garnett and Ray ever won? Don't hurt yourself on that.

The success of the Spurs and the Pistons in recent years *should* have taught anyone with a brain that a bunch of whiney, shoot-first supposed superstars DON'T beat teams with solid role players, good D and balance. Hopefully someday you'll learn what everyone else already knows.

Tim Duncan (the best player in the NBA in the last 10+ years) says "Hi". Put Duncan on almost any team and they are a contender. The Spurs have had a huge revolving cast of role players over the years and have been still successful. To me that says its Duncan/coaching.

The Pistons had/have 4 VERY GOOD players.

What about the Heat, which were basically only Shaq and Wade (and the refs calling a foul on Wade every time he drove to the hoop).

Pierce, KG, Allen + whoever will make them a Top 3 team in the East without any question at all.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: aurareturn

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Pierce and Ray Allen will not happily co-exist as there's only one basketball on the floor at a time. Adding Garnett gives them instant credibility, at least in the weak east. But you still have to figure that Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago and possibly Miami are all better teams than the new Celts. They'll make the playoffs as a 5 seed and probably get bounced in the first round.

Are you on drugs?

Pierce, Ray, Garnet > anybody in the East.

That's a given. They're going to the Finals if they make the trade.

What have Pierce, Garnett and Ray ever won? Don't hurt yourself on that.

The success of the Spurs and the Pistons in recent years *should* have taught anyone with a brain that a bunch of whiney, shoot-first supposed superstars DON'T beat teams with solid role players, good D and balance. Hopefully someday you'll learn what everyone else already knows.

It also doesn't hurt to have a corrupt ref calling things for your team the whole way (Game 3 SA vs Pho) or a bullshit suspension affecting 2 of the other team's top players that could have been called the same way against 2 of your top players who were involved.

 

[Juno]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Juno

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Detroit is starting a decline right now but is still a quality team. Miami is falling out of contention as Shaq gets older and more injured. Cleveland is a rising team but lacks any real scoring threat outside of Lebron.

New Jersey will be the consensus top team in the East if the big 3 stay healthy.

fixed

NJ? Riiiiiiiiight. What depth do they have anywhere in the 4/5 spot? They won't be able to run Kidd 30+ minutes a night forever, Carter isn't a winner, and Jefferson has been injury prone and hasn't ever developed a consistent shot.

garnett, allen and pierce. who will be a 30-something scorer and who will be a ball hog? tough to choose from.

 

[jlarsson]

I just remembered that Doc Rivers is still coaching the Celtics ...

Good feelings are gone.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: Juno

garnett, allen and pierce. who will be a 30-something scorer and who will be a ball hog? tough to choose from.

KG's scoring will drop to allow Allen and Pierce, the more natural scorers, to thrive.

Having watched KG for all of his 12 seasons in the league, he'll mesh very well with Allen and Pierce.

The big question marks for Boston are health, coaching, and supporting cast.

 

[rise]

still nothing official? i wonder if its an escalade or a different pant pocket full of cash that is holding up the announcement?

 

[Onita]

I love how everyone wants to throw them into the finals already. 3 superstars, with no cohesion, under a crappy system with crappy coaching - how can you toss them into the finals? The are still going to have to go through the Cavs, Pistons, and Heat - all with players who have been together for several years. Oh, and how many games did Pierce play last year? Let them win a few games - or hell, even get KG on the team, before throwing them into the finals.