so these guys are labelled as gangs, but not terrorists...hmmm....
but that's a topic for another thread
but that's a topic for another thread
JulesMaximus
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JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
it's not really something to joke about.
We have a gang problem in Toronto. We've had many gang-related murders in hte past three years.
The most recent was a teenager shooting someone else IN A PUBLIC BUS in daylight. Sadly he managed to hit a young girl (13year old I believe) and blinded her for life.
Another kid got shot in the SCHOOL PARKING LOT during school hours. There's so many more.
Wait... I thought there weren't any guns in Canada?
There's lots of teenagers running around with AK-47s in the trunk of thier cars. Seriously. Luckily a bunch of them got caught and all their weapons got consfiscated.
I'm sure they all bought them legally at their local AK-47 emporium.
JulesMaximus
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No kidding. I doubt they are real AK-47s. Probably modified Norinco MAK-90s with the AK stock.
Real AKs go for thousands if you can even find one. Can't even buy the semi-auto only version in CA.
StageLeft
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I hate to be the guy to ask it, but were gang problems in this sort of fashion a big problem 50 years ago? We all know many parents don't give a crap about their kids, but is that an honest-to-goodness cause (one of them) for this sort of thing? When I was a kid I just had better things to do, like not have my dad scream at me.
Yeah I can't imagine a legit ak47 going for $50! You'd have to be seriously hard up for a hit of crack to sell it for that.
There was a time when a horse thief was hung.
But then again...we created this. Drug Wars, Ghettos...people don't chose to be born there...hell, they don't even choose to live there...it happens.
On a side note, I do believe gangs should be hunted down and hung on the streets for public view...but hey, I'm a softee.
But then again...we created this. Drug Wars, Ghettos...people don't chose to be born there...hell, they don't even choose to live there...it happens.
On a side note, I do believe gangs should be hunted down and hung on the streets for public view...but hey, I'm a softee.
OutHouse
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Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
it's not really something to joke about.
We have a gang problem in Toronto. We've had many gang-related murders in hte past three years.
The most recent was a teenager shooting someone else IN A PUBLIC BUS in daylight. Sadly he managed to hit a young girl (13year old I believe) and blinded her for life.
Another kid got shot in the SCHOOL PARKING LOT during school hours. There's so many more.
Living near Jane-Finch I can attest to this. I live in the gutter.
They need to declare a war on the gangs in Toronto. Who cares about the police image. Give them some high powered arms and go full force on these POS.
Edit: Hate to stereotype but I'd say that most of the probs around here are by Jamaicans, too. They just let too many damn people into Canada without screening background. Case in point: sister went to Washington DC this past week. On the way there the US border was cumbersome to get through. On the way back the lady asked "are you Canadian" and everyone on the bus said "yes"... she let them in without looking at one paper :frown: And what about that gang member with previous murder convictions they deported twice and let in again twice? :frown: Or when Matti Barranovski was kicked and stomped to death for not giving up a smoke...his murderers will be out in one year.
I used to drive from Grand Forks ND to Winnipeg to a working dog club to train my rottweiler. I packed a starters pistol that fired .22 blanks that I used for gunfire training. every time i went through canandian customs i told them i had it, they would just say "ok, have a good day Eh". on my way back I told the US Border Patrol i had it and each time they made me pull over and show it to them and did a simple search of my truck. My rottie went nuts everytime she saw a border patrol officer open the shell of my truck and stick their head in to look around, (she was in in a heavy guage wire cage).
Gangs were very bad in Urban areas 50 years ago. Gangs have always been bad in Urban areas -- period.
Street gangs date back to the early-mid 1800s. There are plenty of parallels in the lives of the irish immigrants in the early-mid 1800s and african americans of the past 50 years. It has nothing to do with the war on drugs. You legalize drugs their profits go down, they go on to do something else to make money.
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: Gulzakar
There was a time when a horse thief was hung.
But then again...we created this. Drug Wars, Ghettos...people don't chose to be born there...hell, they don't even choose to live there...it happens.
On a side note, I do believe gangs should be hunted down and hung on the streets for public view...but hey, I'm a softee.
I have no problem with that.
Zebo
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HELPLESSNESS IS FOR WIMPS & DEADGUYZ
by Ted Nugent
With all the yapping and hand wringing about Homeland Defense, I?m somewhat perplexed there hasn?t been more discussion about how average Americans can secure their country from terrorists, thugs and otherassorted human debris and scum. You heard it here first: homeland defense begins at home. It is each American?s responsibility to protect themselves and their families from those who want to perpetrate harm upon us. I could care less what the creep?s religious, political or ideological intentions are, or whether he simply wants to steal your Buick at gunpoint. A killer is a killer and they must be stopped. I pray the feds have the resources, intelligence, and commitment to exterminate terrorists around the world. I also pray the local cops have the same resources to lock up local punks who have instigated their own criminal jihad against law-abiding citizens. Pray as I might, I also adamantly believe each of us should be prepared to neutralize evil in its tracks whenever and wherever it may arize. Waiting for the feds or the cops to show up might be a death sentence - our death sentence. Crime reports, studies and honest cops will tell you that it is up to you to defend yourself and your loved ones against evil people. Fortunately, the majority of states allow their citizens to carry concealed weapons to do just that. Afterall, to be unarmed is to be helpless, and that's just irresponsible. Though the media won?t tell you this, law-abiding citizens use guns to thwart crime roughly two million times a year.
The media?s silence on these facts is condemnable. Instead of reporting the facts, the media whores engage in journalistic prostitution as it pertains to guns. They will 'report' or spin the story to meet their left-wing ideology that guns are evil, unnecessary instruments designed solely to kill other people. I?m sure two million people a year would beg to differ with the media?s overt dishonesty and unprofessional anti-gun agenda. The average American is much more likely to be the victim of a recidivistic punk who has a rap sheet a yard long than of a Muslim extremist. Therefore, it only stands to reason that we must be more vigilant to protect our homes and lives against the streetrats than the religious numbskulls who kill in the name of their evil gods. I?m not arguing that everyone run out and get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. First off, everyone is not going to do everything that makes sense all the time. Secondly, only those people who feel comfortable carrying a concealed weapon and who routinely practice with it should carry do so. There are literally millions of Americans who carry concealed weapons on a daily basis. The media has unabashedly tried to convince Americans that this practice is extremely dangerous, that ordinary Americans will shoot at each other in traffic, and that accidental shootings will far outway any benefit. Again, the media whores couldn?t be more wrong. The number of concealed carry permits that have been rescinded is literally minuscule, virtually a non-issue. There haven?t been shootouts between concealed carry holders as the media tried in vain to scare Americans into believing. Concealed carry permit holders haven?t shot the wrong guy. Concealed carry permit holders haven?t committed crimes. Instead, these conscientious Americans have made America a safer place to live, work and play. Isn?t that the goal of Homeland Defense? Americans need to be vigilant. We need to get to know our neighbors better. We need to become more involved in great programs such as Neighborhood Watch. We need to establish better relationships with our police departments. I support any effort that will truly assist in stopping the next terrorist or thug who wishes to bring harm to innocent, law-abiding Americans. I will never, however, support any effort that will make it easier for criminals to prey on innocent Americans because Sarah Brady doesn't believe in us to take care of ourselves. Homeland defense begins at home. There are millions of Americans each year that can attest to that. The heroic actions of these brave Americans need to be recognized, even celebrated, not hidden from the public view by the media, or worse, scorned. We have the legal right and a moral duty to protect our loved ones and ourselves. I don?t depend on anyone else for my family?s protection. That would be foolish, dangerous and cowardly. When I call 911 it will only be tell them to bring a dustpan and a broom. I shoot back, and depending on the circumstances, I?ll shoot first. You?re weird if you?ve got a problem with that. Good should live, evil should die. Make a stand America. Neutralize evil or get out of their way.
by Ted Nugent
With all the yapping and hand wringing about Homeland Defense, I?m somewhat perplexed there hasn?t been more discussion about how average Americans can secure their country from terrorists, thugs and otherassorted human debris and scum. You heard it here first: homeland defense begins at home. It is each American?s responsibility to protect themselves and their families from those who want to perpetrate harm upon us. I could care less what the creep?s religious, political or ideological intentions are, or whether he simply wants to steal your Buick at gunpoint. A killer is a killer and they must be stopped. I pray the feds have the resources, intelligence, and commitment to exterminate terrorists around the world. I also pray the local cops have the same resources to lock up local punks who have instigated their own criminal jihad against law-abiding citizens. Pray as I might, I also adamantly believe each of us should be prepared to neutralize evil in its tracks whenever and wherever it may arize. Waiting for the feds or the cops to show up might be a death sentence - our death sentence. Crime reports, studies and honest cops will tell you that it is up to you to defend yourself and your loved ones against evil people. Fortunately, the majority of states allow their citizens to carry concealed weapons to do just that. Afterall, to be unarmed is to be helpless, and that's just irresponsible. Though the media won?t tell you this, law-abiding citizens use guns to thwart crime roughly two million times a year.
The media?s silence on these facts is condemnable. Instead of reporting the facts, the media whores engage in journalistic prostitution as it pertains to guns. They will 'report' or spin the story to meet their left-wing ideology that guns are evil, unnecessary instruments designed solely to kill other people. I?m sure two million people a year would beg to differ with the media?s overt dishonesty and unprofessional anti-gun agenda. The average American is much more likely to be the victim of a recidivistic punk who has a rap sheet a yard long than of a Muslim extremist. Therefore, it only stands to reason that we must be more vigilant to protect our homes and lives against the streetrats than the religious numbskulls who kill in the name of their evil gods. I?m not arguing that everyone run out and get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. First off, everyone is not going to do everything that makes sense all the time. Secondly, only those people who feel comfortable carrying a concealed weapon and who routinely practice with it should carry do so. There are literally millions of Americans who carry concealed weapons on a daily basis. The media has unabashedly tried to convince Americans that this practice is extremely dangerous, that ordinary Americans will shoot at each other in traffic, and that accidental shootings will far outway any benefit. Again, the media whores couldn?t be more wrong. The number of concealed carry permits that have been rescinded is literally minuscule, virtually a non-issue. There haven?t been shootouts between concealed carry holders as the media tried in vain to scare Americans into believing. Concealed carry permit holders haven?t shot the wrong guy. Concealed carry permit holders haven?t committed crimes. Instead, these conscientious Americans have made America a safer place to live, work and play. Isn?t that the goal of Homeland Defense? Americans need to be vigilant. We need to get to know our neighbors better. We need to become more involved in great programs such as Neighborhood Watch. We need to establish better relationships with our police departments. I support any effort that will truly assist in stopping the next terrorist or thug who wishes to bring harm to innocent, law-abiding Americans. I will never, however, support any effort that will make it easier for criminals to prey on innocent Americans because Sarah Brady doesn't believe in us to take care of ourselves. Homeland defense begins at home. There are millions of Americans each year that can attest to that. The heroic actions of these brave Americans need to be recognized, even celebrated, not hidden from the public view by the media, or worse, scorned. We have the legal right and a moral duty to protect our loved ones and ourselves. I don?t depend on anyone else for my family?s protection. That would be foolish, dangerous and cowardly. When I call 911 it will only be tell them to bring a dustpan and a broom. I shoot back, and depending on the circumstances, I?ll shoot first. You?re weird if you?ve got a problem with that. Good should live, evil should die. Make a stand America. Neutralize evil or get out of their way.
Wrong. In Bowling for Columbine, he said there were just as many guns in Canada as there are the US so guns are not the problem, it is the people.
This is the typical Moore hater response. Never seen him movies or anything from him but hate him because someone told you to.
Gangs are created in the slums...
seriously...even the mafia...
all started from poor beginings.
They didn't see a way out and the easiest way to power and buck was thru fear.
seriously...even the mafia...
all started from poor beginings.
They didn't see a way out and the easiest way to power and buck was thru fear.
These unorganized thugs don't deserve to be called gangsters... The can hardly even shoot straight.
Babbles
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Hahaha, whatever. Sounds like some hippy douche speak.
Heck every day I am more and more for legalizing marijuana but that sure as hell would not stop street gangs. There has been gangs since urban centers were first created and there will be gangs long after we are all gone.
MasterAndCommander
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You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs at this school. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff.
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