#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[s0me0nesmind1]

She might be silly, but she's not corrupt.

She keeps talking about the 1%. If you make more than $17/h and work 40 hours per week, you are in the global 1%. Pay up, bitches!

Yeah, fuck logic like making sure they don't leave the nation to deposit their money in places that are much more friendly to wealth. I mean, they are too stupid to do something like that, right? Just like they got their money - from being stupid, right? How do you expect jobs to exist when the people that DO have money can't afford to invest it?

I'm sorry, that dumb bitch got schooled on national TV, and it was fucking hilarious. She looked clueless the entire time. "Where are we going to get it from? Uhhhh, IDK the top 1%! You know, those guys with money in their pockets, let's take it from them!"

 

[Spungo]

Holy fuck, these were just sad.

I don't understand why the girl on the left is like that. She's cute, so one would expect sexism to work in her favor.

 

[Aikouka]

Holy fuck, these were just sad.

They do some panel of women talking about how offensive anime is....

But they make sure to bring on one male. Of course, it's a fat male that never gets laid in life, so he plays "nice guy" 24/7 with these stupid feminists in an effort to try and get into their pants. Just sad, so so so so sad.

I've only watched a bit of the first video so far, but as someone that has seen quite his fair share of anime, I actually agree with the IGN Anime Club's overall opinion (an important distinction). What I think you and that video creator might be missing is that they aren't saying, "Get rid of all naughtiness in anime!" What they're saying is that they don't like it when the entire point of an anime seems to be to just push fanservice. Since most people may not be clear on the terms, fanservice is just moments inserted purely to please the fans. Technically, it doesn't have to be lewd in nature, but in anime, it usually is. It can include things such as tons of bare skin (maybe masked by well-placed hair or steam), panty shots, accidental groping, etc. I've actually been thinking about this topic as of late, because I've given up on a few anime that seemed to care more about showing off animated breasts than actually having a good story. I'm not some weirdo with a body pillow "waifu"... I just enjoy anime for a story, silly situations, or typical power fantasy (e.g. Dragon Ball).

Although, if you've seen enough anime, you realize that most shows (that aren't super serious/seinen) are going to have a fanservice episode, and you know when it's coming. If the next episode preview shows a beach or a hot springs (onsen), then it's going to be a fanservice-heavy episode.

To be fair, I think the IGN Anime Club also made a lot of silly remarks, and the guy that made the video did point them out. However, I do think he misunderstood their overall point.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I've only watched a bit of the first video so far, but as someone that has seen quite his fair share of anime, I actually agree with the IGN Anime Club's overall opinion (an important distinction). What I think you and that video creator might be missing is that they aren't saying, "Get rid of all naughtiness in anime!" What they're saying is that they don't like it when the entire point of an anime seems to be to just push fanservice. Since most people may not be clear on the terms, fanservice is just moments inserted purely to please the fans. Technically, it doesn't have to be lewd in nature, but in anime, it usually is. It can include things such as tons of bare skin (maybe masked by well-placed hair or steam), panty shots, accidental groping, etc. I've actually been thinking about this topic as of late, because I've given up on a few anime that seemed to care more about showing off animated breasts than actually having a good story. I'm not some weirdo with a body pillow "waifu"... I just enjoy anime for a story, silly situations, or typical power fantasy (e.g. Dragon Ball).

Although, if you've seen enough anime, you realize that most shows (that aren't super serious/seinen) are going to have a fanservice episode, and you know when it's coming. If the next episode preview shows a beach or a hot springs (onsen), then it's going to be a fanservice-heavy episode.

To be fair, I think the IGN Anime Club also made a lot of silly remarks, and the guy that made the video did point them out. However, I do think he misunderstood their overall point.

And what you are clearly missing is the underlying message of the video(s). And that is _C_O_N_T_E_X_T_. CONTEXT. CONTEXT. CONTEXT.

How stupid can you get on a scale from 1 to 10? I'm not saying I support bitches in the kitchen, blow me on command, etc... etc... but if you buy a porno that is targeted towards rape or BDSM fantasies... You're GOING TO GET A PORNO TARGETED TOWARDS RAPE/BDSM FANTASIES. Oh my god who would have guessed? It's the TARGET AUDIENCE they are shooting for. The ENTIRE point of the video clearly went way over your tiny insignificant brain. I would elaborate on the overall point more, but if 15 minute videos doesn't get the point across - I don't know what will.

I'm not even into any of that shit (BDSM, anime, hentai, etc...) in yet I can still understand the overall message being conveyed.

 

[Aikouka]

And what you are clearly missing is the underlying message of the video(s). And that is _C_O_N_T_E_X_T_. CONTEXT. CONTEXT. CONTEXT.

How stupid can you get on a scale from 1 to 10? I'm not saying I support bitches in the kitchen, blow me on command, etc... etc... but if you buy a porno that is targeted towards rape or BDSM fantasies... You're GOING TO GET A PORNO TARGETED TOWARDS RAPE/BDSM FANTASIES. Oh my god who would have guessed? It's the TARGET AUDIENCE they are shooting for. The ENTIRE point of the video clearly went way over your tiny insignificant brain. I would elaborate on the overall point more, but if 15 minute videos doesn't get the point across - I don't know what will.

I'm not even into any of that shit (BDSM, anime, hentai, etc...) in yet I can still understand the overall message being conveyed.

...wow. I think you need to step back from the keyboard for a few minutes and relax. You might want to even re-read what I wrote, because I think you're missing the point. My point is that I agree with their overall opinion that too much fanservice without enough story can ruin a possibly interesting premise. Since you admit to not being into "any of that shit" (including anime), you probably don't understand the difference. You remember the American Pie movie? It was a fun movie back in the day. Do you remember how they tried to push those "American Pie Presents..." movies onto us? They were complete garbage, and were full of gross-out gags that were completely devoid of any humor. That's kind of what it's like, but instead of gross-out gags, it's boob/butt shots.

Now, where you're very wrong is that I do get the point of the video. In the video, the dude points out how some of the statements that they make in this discussion are just incredibly awkward, nonsensical, or just plain wrong. The thing is... did you see me disagree with any of his remarks on those? Like I said, as someone that watches quite a bit of anime, I simply agree with the overall premise that too much of a focus on fanservice can ruin a potentially good anime. To note, there are anime that have a heavy focus on fanservice yet they're still quite good in their own way. Prison School ended last season, and there's absolutely no way that you can't say that it wasn't full of ecchi. However, it's actually quite an interesting watch... especially since part of the focus was on the ridiculousness of the fanservice.

Also, to be absolutely clear, I really couldn't care less of these anime in question exist. If I stumble across one, I just simply stop watching it. If someone else enjoys it, more power to them.

When in doubt, I just invoke The Dude Clause:

 

[werepossum]

I don't understand why the girl on the left is like that. She's cute, so one would expect sexism to work in her favor.

I abhor anime with its bizarre androgynous males and females who are almost unanimously crosses between huge-eyed infants and pneumatic-breasted strippers in school girl outfits for some disturbing reason, not to mention unbearably angst-ridden plots, I have little sympathy for the progressive/SJW movement, and I find all three of those young women quite attractive, but as a principle I can respect people who recognize and reject unfair situations from which they personally benefit.

 

[Aikouka]

I abhor anime with its bizarre androgynous males and females who are almost unanimously crosses between huge-eyed infants and pneumatic-breasted strippers in school girl outfits for some disturbing reason, not to mention unbearably angst-ridden plots

That's a rather broad generalization of anime. While it does describe some, it certainly doesn't truly encompass all of it. Although, the big boobs thing is probably the most encompassing! :biggrin:

 

[werepossum]

That's a rather broad generalization of anime. While it does describe some, it certainly doesn't truly encompass all of it. Although, the big boobs thing is probably the most encompassing! :biggrin:

lol I don't want to be that guy who decries big boobs - but I will, if no one else will. Especially combined with the very large eyes and tiny features reminiscent of infants and dressed in schoolgirl outfits. What's up with that?

My daughter and my oldest grandson loved anime. He still watches it. Every one I've seen has been angst-filled and adolescent - but maybe that's just what was on at the time. (Cowboy Bebop, Inyuasha, Ghost in the Shell come to mind.) (Also a Hannah-Barbara level of movement in the animation.) I have a very low tolerance for angst.

Except for Up, that was legitimately dead hound dog sad.

 

[Phanuel]

What the heck? Ghost in the Shell, Stand Alone Complex 1 and 2, are amazing. I don't know what crazy world you're in where that's childish, creepy, and angst filled.

There's also plenty of brutal emotional anime like Graveyard of the Fireflies.

I don't watch much of it myself, I stick to the darker, grittier stuff. Full Metal Alchemist got real f'd up by the end.

It's an art form, and it can be used to tell beautiful stories without selling itself short.

 

[werepossum]

What the heck? Ghost in the Shell, Stand Alone Complex 1 and 2, are amazing. I don't know what crazy world you're in where that's childish, creepy, and angst filled.

There's also plenty of brutal emotional anime like Graveyard of the Fireflies.

I don't watch much of it myself, I stick to the darker, grittier stuff. Full Metal Alchemist got real f'd up by the end.

It's an art form, and it can be used to tell beautiful stories without selling itself short.

Ghost in the Shell might be one that concentrates on violence and boobage over angst, but a quick Google reveals: http://www.gamesradar.com/what-makes-ghost-shell-such-classic-anime/

The characters themselves also push the viewer into thinking about the contrast between humans and cyborgs. Take Major Kusanagi; on visual inspection, she’s human (bar the ports at the back of her neck), but her body is entirely robotic. Her “ghost” – which as far as I can ascertain is a kind of digital soul – has human characteristics, but she remains unsure whether she has any humanity left or was, in fact, ever human at all. She’s a beguiling character that demands your attention. What, in the end, makes her human or not? She has feelings, inner thoughts, fears and even hobbies; she has memories and independent motivations; although her body needs a regular MOT to keep going, she’s essentially a free-thinking individual. So what, in the end, defines her as human or not? She’s a wonderfully compelling protagonist, combining existential angst with a futuristic invisibility cloak and kick-ass moves. What more could the discerning SF fan ask for?​

To each his own, but even as a teenager existential angst just left me cold.

 

[jackstar7]

He specifically was citing Stand Alone Complex. It's not the GitS that you've likely seen the poster of.

I have no dog in this fight, but just like more clarity.

 

[CitizenKain]

Good job on Gamergate for trying to spread that a critic of Gamergate was involved in the Paris attacks, its that kind of thing that casts such a wonderful light on it. Photoshopping a guy into a bombvest is pretty classy.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/game...ender-jubbal-503?utm_source=vicegamingtwitter

 

[Victorian Gray]

Good job on Gamergate for trying to spread that a critic of Gamergate was involved in the Paris attacks, its that kind of thing that casts such a wonderful light on it. Photoshopping a guy into a bombvest is pretty classy.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/game...ender-jubbal-503?utm_source=vicegamingtwitter

Get ready for 300 pages of denial/claiming victimization. You damn SJW!

 

[master_shake_]

Good job on Gamergate for trying to spread that a critic of Gamergate was involved in the Paris attacks, its that kind of thing that casts such a wonderful light on it. Photoshopping a guy into a bombvest is pretty classy.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/game...ender-jubbal-503?utm_source=vicegamingtwitter

does nobody see the dildo in the background?

 

[werepossum]

He specifically was citing Stand Alone Complex. It's not the GitS that you've likely seen the poster of.

I have no dog in this fight, but just like more clarity.

I freely admit my cherished ignorance about anime and sincerely hope that I have watched my last. lol. Haven't seen any posters though. I can only remember some names, a whole lot of angst, and comparatively few frames. Except for one weird one that was just one long battle. The "camera" would follow one guy until he was killed, then follow the guy who killed him until he died, etc. No angst in that one. Or boobs either. Wasn't Hannah Barbara animation anyway.

 

[Sulaco]

Good job on Gamergate for trying to spread that a critic of Gamergate was involved in the Paris attacks, its that kind of thing that casts such a wonderful light on it. Photoshopping a guy into a bombvest is pretty classy.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/game...ender-jubbal-503?utm_source=vicegamingtwitter

Get ready for 300 pages of denial/claiming victimization. You damn SJW

*sigh*

Not that anyone has come to expect better, least of all from CitizenKain, one of the most vapid, consistently derelict posters on these forums, so the utter lack of reading skills, verisimilitude, or integrity is not surprising.

But just a tiny bit of actual investigation removes all doubt that the creator of that image was a "GamerGater" or in anyway associated with that movement, not the least of which his/her outspoken tweets of outright disdain for Gamergate despite (shockingly!) shoddy, disingenuous "journalism" from Vice (for whom I used to have a deal of respect)

But again, by all means, continue to make public fools of yourselves and do the least amount of intellectual legwork required before returning to your regularly scheduled idiocy.

 

[Spungo]

To each his own, but even as a teenager existential angst just left me cold.

The existential angst tells you how screwed up Japanese society is. It's a very repressive culture. It's similar to the UK's Victorian era in a lot of ways, or possibly America before LSD. Everything is for show. People can't freely express themselves in their everyday lives, so art is the way people express themselves. Social retards in America understand Japanese content very well because it's exactly how they feel. The Matrix is commonly used to describe this feeling. You live in a world, but it feels like you don't belong there. Everyone is acting a certain way, and you question whether they are nuts, or if you are the ones who is nuts. It's such a great comparison that the "red pill" has become a common term used to describe the process of showing someone what reality looks like.

Since the American war on drugs began, and LSD use fell dramatically, America has been moving in the wrong direction. We're going more toward being a society of shackles and fear. People are afraid to offend anyone or say anything that might be negative in some way. We're expected to act like this isn't completely fucking retarded:
Bank of America sings U2

Opie & Anthony have been documenting this shift to mindless shit for many years. Jocktober. Every radio station they feature is exactly the same. It's always a guy and a girl who act like they're married, they never say anything that could upset anyone, and they never try to be funny or entertaining. Everyone is pretending that it's normal to act like a person on medication.

What society needs is another era of heavy LSD use.

 

[CitizenKain]

*sigh*

Not that anyone has come to expect better, least of all from CitizenKain, one of the most vapid, consistently derelict posters on these forums, so the utter lack of reading skills, verisimilitude, or integrity is not surprising.

But just a tiny bit of actual investigation removes all doubt that the creator of that image was a "GamerGater" or in anyway associated with that movement, not the least of which his/her outspoken tweets of outright disdain for Gamergate despite (shockingly!) shoddy, disingenuous "journalism" from Vice (for whom I used to have a deal of respect)

But again, by all means, continue to make public fools of yourselves and do the least amount of intellectual legwork required before returning to your regularly scheduled idiocy.

Aww, look at the little gamergater lying. Guess there were too many big words in that article for the gamergate trash to read.

 

[jackstar7]

The existential angst tells you how screwed up Japanese society is. It's a very repressive culture. It's similar to the UK's Victorian era in a lot of ways, or possibly America before LSD. Everything is for show. People can't freely express themselves in their everyday lives, so art is the way people express themselves. Social retards in America understand Japanese content very well because it's exactly how they feel. The Matrix is commonly used to describe this feeling. You live in a world, but it feels like you don't belong there. Everyone is acting a certain way, and you question whether they are nuts, or if you are the ones who is nuts. It's such a great comparison that the "red pill" has become a common term used to describe the process of showing someone what reality looks like.

Since the American war on drugs began, and LSD use fell dramatically, America has been moving in the wrong direction. We're going more toward being a society of shackles and fear. People are afraid to offend anyone or say anything that might be negative in some way. We're expected to act like this isn't completely fucking retarded:
Bank of America sings U2

Opie & Anthony have been documenting this shift to mindless shit for many years. Jocktober. Every radio station they feature is exactly the same. It's always a guy and a girl who act like they're married, they never say anything that could upset anyone, and they never try to be funny or entertaining. Everyone is pretending that it's normal to act like a person on medication.

What society needs is another era of heavy LSD use.

Common courtesy could also make a comeback.

 

[werepossum]

*sigh*

Not that anyone has come to expect better, least of all from CitizenKain, one of the most vapid, consistently derelict posters on these forums, so the utter lack of reading skills, verisimilitude, or integrity is not surprising.

But just a tiny bit of actual investigation removes all doubt that the creator of that image was a "GamerGater" or in anyway associated with that movement, not the least of which his/her outspoken tweets of outright disdain for Gamergate despite (shockingly!) shoddy, disingenuous "journalism" from Vice (for whom I used to have a deal of respect)

But again, by all means, continue to make public fools of yourselves and do the least amount of intellectual legwork required before returning to your regularly scheduled idiocy.

I like Jubbal's quote: "Gamers are absolute garbage like I have been saying for a full year." Such an enlightened statement from someone who professes to be a video game critic/journalist. Also highly amusing that a supposed journalist attacking Gamergate is himself a victim of shoddy journalism.

So basically a Twit got trolled by another troll.

EDIT: Jubbal needs someone with some gravitas to explain to us why treating Sikhs as one homogeneous group is wrong but treating gamers the same way is right. Someone with the stature of, oh, I dunno, Indira Gandhi.

 

[Sulaco]

Aww, look at the little gamergater lying. Guess there were too many big words in that article for the gamergate trash to read.

I have no affiliation with any of these groups. Never have. And never will.

That being said, I read your atrocious article, and had the gumption and intelligence to actually fact check and investigate some of the claims.
It's clear to anyone whose had the misfortune of reading your shoddy posts on these forums that intellect and honesty are clearly not your trademarks. Coupled with your usual "drive by" posting vitriol, I pointed out the failings in your post and linked article far less for your benefit than for those silently following along in the cheap seats.

I see that that hit a nerve. Good. Your true colors shine brightest. Please go back to being the regularly scheduled forum laughing stock. It suits you well.

 

[CitizenKain]

I have no affiliation with any of these groups. Never have. And never will.

That being said, I read your atrocious article, and had the gumption and intelligence to actually fact check and investigate some of the claims.
It's clear to anyone whose had the misfortune of reading your shoddy posts on these forums that intellect and honesty are clearly not your trademarks. Coupled with your usual "drive by" posting vitriol, I pointed out the failings in your post and linked article far less for your benefit than for those silently following along in the cheap seats.

I see that that hit a nerve. Good. Your true colors shine brightest. Please go back to being the regularly scheduled forum laughing stock. It suits you well.

I'm sure you did.

 

[MagickMan]

Aww, look at the little gamergater lying. Guess there were too many big words in that article for the gamergate trash to read.

Huh? The guy who supposedly did the `shop is an anti-GG troll, like you. Looking at his social media posts makes that abundantly clear.

 

[norseamd]

Can any one confirm if this is real or not?

 

[norseamd]

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