#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[MagickMan]

Hate speech is not free speech.

Yes it is, provided it doesn't include provocation or specific threat of harm, so says the USSC.

 

[werepossum]

I get why that is stuck in your craw. It's monstrous and horrible and basically evil. It's unconscionable, right?

Consider that more. Consider the absurdity of it.

I'm a person who calls out the team sports bullshit all the damn time, so I am not here in support of anything. I entered this thread to try and form an understanding of the issue.

All that has been washed away in this thread by those who keep on with the pep rallies for their team. And to what end, I cannot determine.

I'm glad you have enough tar for everyone, but maybe stop and consider being less liberal with it for a bit. Maybe see where things land.

In doing an admittedly small amount of research, it would appear that there are groups dedicated to treatment and support for "non-practicing" pedophiles. I'd say that has some value in the world, but the stance you seem to be taking allows for no such nuances. Or am I mistaken?

I have absolutely no problem with groups dedicated to treatment and support for "non-practicing" pedophiles. That seems to be a noble thing to do, assuming its done on the level with no excuses made and cover flown. I have a monumentally huge, Hillary's hairy gonads-sized problem with people saying that sure, this person is a practicing pedophile but you people pointing it out are the real evil. I have a similarly sized problem with magazines and e-zines and whatever which see fit to print such garbage. And I have a slightly smaller though still sizable problem with people who stand shoulder to shoulder with a pedophile and simply remain silent when he/she is unmasked. Considering my own reaction were something like that to happen to me, I can only assume that either they already knew or they too don't have a problem with pedophilia. Maybe you consider this to be illustrating absurdity with absurdity. I do not; I consider it to be team sports taken to the extreme. Taken to evil, and then accusing people of being evil when it is discovered by people who aren't sympathetic.

I held out the possibility that she was merely trolling until long after I should have been convinced, mainly because it seemed unimaginable to me that a practicing pedophile would be joking about it, writing about it, and yet still living such a visible, high profile, agenda-driven life. How is that even possible without like-minded (socially, not pedobears) people ganging together to drive her away? ESPECIALLY SJWs - children ARE a group that needs special protection. Imagine Jeffrey Dahmer writing men's rights articles (sorry, don't know the alphabets and acronyms for that) for prominent magazines and oh yeah, still writing about murdering people and eating their bodies on the side, posting fantasies and up-skirt body shots of his latest victim. Ol' Jeffrey, yeah, he may murder a few people, and sure, he'll eat them and maybe get a little naughty with their corpses, but he's good people man, he's down for the cause. This is literally unimaginable to me, yet apparently it's not even news to the people who share her political agenda. How is that possible? Where can this possibly "land"? Will we at some point stop being told that the opposition is the true evil and start being told that she's not really a practicing pedophile any more? Maybe that she's only a petting pedophile? Maybe that it really was true love? Maybe that it was a really mature seven year old? There is no place that this can land that will make it all right.

NO movement should ever attach itself to a pedophile, practicing or not. To do so means the vast majority of undecided people will assume that your side agrees pedophilia is no big thing. Sure, I could in theory feel some sympathy for Ms. Butts - born fucked in her body gender image, born fucked in her sexuality - right up to the point that she acts on it even once, even slightly. After that, none, ever again. Once committed, always labeled. Always. No redemption this side of G-d.

Clear enough? lol

To be clear, I have no problem with you; I consider you a reasonable guy whom simply seems to be on the opposite side of an issue from me, both of us here somewhat unwillingly and uncomfortable with a lot of our bedfellows. I just violently disagree with you on this issue (and others.) Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy you a drink, everybody's entitled to her own values and very few issues are black and white.

 

[werepossum]

I think the issue with this quote is that the person is looking at the term "social justice warrior" at face value. It's like he just heard the term, and defined his own sort of definition (i.e. the reference to the A-Team or Michael Knight from Knight Rider). While you could argue that his examples are warriors that dispense justice in a social setting, I've never understood that to be the point of people using that term.

From what I understand, people use it to describe someone with a fervent desire to change society's viewpoint on a specific topic to match their belief. I likened the idea of these people to a sort of modern day Crusader, but you replace religion with the topic du jour. (The topic-at-hand does seem to change often, hence the topic du jour.)

I actually agree with you. I try to stand by my rule of "if you aren't hurting anyone -- including yourself -- then it's none of my business", and as much as I find pedophilia disgusting, just because someone professes to be one doesn't mean they're actually acting on it. So, I'd kinda be going against my own mantra if I made blanket statements like I've seen in here.

Now, to be clear, from the skimming that I've done in here, supposedly this girl did distribute lewd photos of her young niece or something like that. So, if that's true, then I don't think she meets your definition or my definition of "okay".

For myself, I call them Social Justice Warriors simply because that's what they call themselves. Otherwise I would simply call them progressives, but as not even all hard core progressives are nearly as militant and authoritarian as the SJWs, so really a different term is needed, like differentiating between liberals (good) and progressives (bad.) I assure you that Social Justice Warriors would never be a name I would coin for them, because I view justice as something due each individual, equally, not to each group according to its level of need or speciality or wretchedness or whatever criteria they use to determine who trumps whom.

For the rest, well said. My personal tolerance for even "non-practicing" pedophiles is considerably lower than yours, but I recognize it as my own personal tolerance and as long as they aren't actually hurting children (as in ever, not just "at the moment") I have no problem with your tolerance being greater than my own.

 

[jackstar7]

I certainly hope that you don't violently disagree with me literally, but rather are just vehement. On that note, I'm not sure why its me you with whom you disagree so vehemently. I'm not here to defend pedophiles or stand with them or any of that shit. My issue was that you continue to paint the whole side of an argument with the pedo-brush, and then I feel like I am included in that... for reasons!!!

Here's another question for you: do your views on this topic line up at all with this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAc..._is_the_endgame_goal_of_gamergate_to_you_and/

I'm still trying to understand the broader parts of this topic and not get lost in the creepy minutiae of it all. If this guy's general points match up, then I think I can reach further understanding about this.

 

[MagickMan]

WP, you're underselling it. SJWs, and whatever other labels you're going to lay on people, aren't just pro-pedophile, they ARE pedophiles. Why else would they take a stance of support, unless it was because they want everyone to just be cool about fucking children? And let's not kid ourselves, all the GG-ers are just full-on rapists who can't wait to force their sad little dicks and vaginas into/onto whatever person happens by that whets their insatiable appetite for tearful hate-sex.

Enough of your politically correct bullshit.

 

[jackstar7]

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[werepossum]

I certainly hope that you don't violently disagree with me literally, but rather are just vehement. On that note, I'm not sure why its me you with whom you disagree so vehemently. I'm not here to defend pedophiles or stand with them or any of that shit. My issue was that you continue to paint the whole side of an argument with the pedo-brush, and then I feel like I am included in that... for reasons!!!

Here's another question for you: do your views on this topic line up at all with this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAc..._is_the_endgame_goal_of_gamergate_to_you_and/

I'm still trying to understand the broader parts of this topic and not get lost in the creepy minutiae of it all. If this guy's general points match up, then I think I can reach further understanding about this.

Yes, I agree with that perception of Gamergate's goals and essentially with that view of anti-GamerGate's goals. That perception of Gamergate's goals is essentially what was presented (and well) at the SPJ Free Play event.

As far as painting the whole side of an argument with the pedo-brush, here are my thoughts:
1. If a member of your side is conclusively revealed to be a pedofile, then everyone on that side is expected to reject, condemn and throw out that person. If you defend that person, then I will be convinced that either you agree with that behavior or that at the least you feel it is no big deal. If you do not address the issue, then I will be convinced that either you agree with that behavior or that at the least you feel it is no big deal, and further, that you knew about it before.

 

[Blue_Max]

If a member of your side is conclusively revealed to be a pedofile, then everyone on that side is expected to reject, condemn and throw out that person. If you defend that person, then I will be convinced that either you agree with that behavior or that at the least you feel it is no big deal. If you do not address the issue, then I will be convinced that either you agree with that behavior or that at the least you feel it is no big deal, and further, that you knew about it before.

Logically, if anti-gg SJW's are rallying to the pedo's social defense, they support pedophilia. There can be no other conclusion.

What's particularly mind-boggling is who they decide to support or drop support of; like how they were so happy to have Joss Wheadon on board as a supportive feminist, then just dropped him one day like a hot potato. Worse, they turned on him in a vicious attack.

 

[jackstar7]

So is there a format I need to follow to condemn pedophiles and then get back to the topic of the thread? I'd like to get into the goals stuff, but if there are hoops I need to jump through, please spell them out. I don't want that to be a distraction from what could potentially be fruitful discussion.

Pedophilia is a horrible sickness. I don't know if it is a genetic/chemical condition or a choice, but those people should really just set themselves on fire rather than potentially threaten children. Some hyperbole, but I come by it honestly, because this topic actually makes me that uncomfortable, so I overdo it.

To be clear, I'm vastly more disturbed by those who produce child porn than by those who consume it. Everyone has weird fetish shit. Pedophilia is disturbing to the highest level, but the people who exploit children to feed the sickness of pedophiles are actual human garbage. I just want to make that distinction.

 

[Blue_Max]

So is there a format I need to follow to condemn pedophiles and then get back to the topic of the thread? I'd like to get into the goals stuff, but if there are hoops I need to jump through, please spell them out. I don't want that to be a distraction from what could potentially be fruitful discussion.

Pedophilia is a horrible sickness. I don't know if it is a genetic/chemical condition or a choice, but those people should really just set themselves on fire rather than potentially threaten children. Some hyperbole, but I come by it honestly, because this topic actually makes me that uncomfortable, so I overdo it.

To be clear, I'm vastly more disturbed by those who produce child porn than by those who consume it. Everyone has weird fetish shit. Pedophilia is disturbing to the highest level, but the people who exploit children to feed the sickness of pedophiles are actual human garbage. I just want to make that distinction.

It's as simple as that. You don't support it. Good!

How would you feel if those in control of your social circle DEMAND you support it AND those who consume it? Will you bow to their whims and risk being ostracized by everyone you considered "friends"? (That's what amuses me most - these jackals turn on their own at the drop of a hat. Some 'friends'. *snerk*)

Now, condemning pedophilia doesn't mean one shouldn't offer help to the afflicted who wants to CORRECT the behaviour, rather than seek ACCEPTANCE (which means refusing to change) which is what we're seeing in this case.

 

[werepossum]

It's as simple as that. You don't support it. Good!

How would you feel if those in control of your social circle DEMAND you support it AND those who consume it? Will you bow to their whims and risk being ostracized by everyone you considered "friends"? (That's what amuses me most - these jackals turn on their own at the drop of a hat. Some 'friends'. *snerk*)

Now, condemning pedophilia doesn't mean one shouldn't offer help to the afflicted who wants to CORRECT the behaviour, rather than seek ACCEPTANCE (which means refusing to change) which is what we're seeing in this case.

Exactly. A transwoman who says she thinks the GamerGaters have some valid points will be absolutely savaged; a transwoman who sings the hymns on misogyny and hate and rape but sexually preys on children will be savagely defended. There is no particular format and no need to continually repeat comdemnation, but it is certainly necessary to point out that one is completely unaccepting of such behavior and drop that person from the list of acceptable sources, cohosts and buddies. And actively defending such a person absolutely means embracing her proclivities. It's like complementing Hitler's oil paintings or Lee Harvey Oswald's Apple core dolls, it's just not done by civilized people.

 

[jackstar7]

You mean zealots turn on doubters? I'm fucking shocked. That behavior is definitely exclusive to anti-GG'ers.

 

[MagickMan]

Exactly. A transwoman who says she thinks the GamerGaters have some valid points will be absolutely savaged; a transwoman who sings the hymns on misogyny and hate and rape but sexually preys on children will be savagely defended. There is no particular format and no need to continually repeat comdemnation, but it is certainly necessary to point out that one is completely unaccepting of such behavior and drop that person from the list of acceptable sources, cohosts and buddies. And actively defending such a person absolutely means embracing her proclivities. It's like complementing Hitler's oil paintings or Lee Harvey Oswald's Apple core dolls, it's just not done by civilized people.

They only grant protection if you pay-up with your loyalty, it's the radfem Mob in action. What you've done doesn't matter, it's whom you identify with.

 

[woolfe9998]

I have absolutely no problem with groups dedicated to treatment and support for "non-practicing" pedophiles. That seems to be a noble thing to do, assuming its done on the level with no excuses made and cover flown. I have a monumentally huge, Hillary's hairy gonads-sized problem with people saying that sure, this person is a practicing pedophile but you people pointing it out are the real evil. I have a similarly sized problem with magazines and e-zines and whatever which see fit to print such garbage. And I have a slightly smaller though still sizable problem with people who stand shoulder to shoulder with a pedophile and simply remain silent when he/she is unmasked.

I don't have any skin in this gamergate business. In fact, I've intentionally ignored the issue for a long while because I find both sides quite distasteful. However, I wanted to remark on this. The "support" for this Nyberg person seems to be coming from people arguing that she is not guilty of being a pedophile, that chat logs were doctored, etc. They may well be wrong and might even be wrong because they're biased, but that isn't the same thing as supporting someone after acknowledging that person is a pedophile.

 

[Roflmouth]

I don't have any skin in this gamergate business. In fact, I've intentionally ignored the issue for a long while because I find both sides quite distasteful. However, I wanted to remark on this. The "support" for this Nyberg person seems to be coming from people arguing that she is not guilty of being a pedophile, that chat logs were doctored, etc. They may well be wrong and might even be wrong because they're biased, but that isn't the same thing as supporting someone after acknowledging that person is a pedophile.

Wrong. They know Nyberg's a pedophile, and are lying after being caught idiotically supporting it.

 

[woolfe9998]

Wrong. They know Nyberg's a pedophile, and are lying after being caught idiotically supporting it.

Oh, so you're going to present proof that they know this?

 

[0roo0roo]

Milo Yiannopoulos Exposes Gamergate
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

Milo Yiannopoulos and Dave Rubin Discuss Gay Rights and Cultural Libertarians
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0505RbdG5k


Dave Rubin: Regressives are the Left's Tea Party
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzzLiJ6na1k

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE: UN Apologizes For Discredited #CyberViolence Report
http://theralphretort.com/too-littl...for-discredited-cyberviolence-report-1007015/



Another UN Report on Net Censorship Coming 11/10/2015
seattle4truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK7nnL11dIE

New UN Plot to Make the Internet a Safe Space EXPOSED…and it was Hiding in Plain Sight
http://theralphretort.com/new-un-pl...sed-and-it-was-hiding-in-plain-sight-1008015/

The leaked hashtag is being taken over already

UN Apologizes For Cyber Violence Report, Gaming Blamed In Shootings, Sega Needs Direction + More!
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuebViCUgQc


the rest of the triggering

Milo Yiannopoulos Hates Feminism
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiESisEL43c

Milo Yiannopoulos vs Atheism
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Qao3A4yU4

 

[MagickMan]

I don't have any skin in this gamergate business. In fact, I've intentionally ignored the issue for a long while because I find both sides quite distasteful. However, I wanted to remark on this. The "support" for this Nyberg person seems to be coming from people arguing that she is not guilty of being a pedophile, that chat logs were doctored, etc. They may well be wrong and might even be wrong because they're biased, but that isn't the same thing as supporting someone after acknowledging that person is a pedophile.

They weren't doctored, Nyberg said it happened, claimed to have written those things to seem "edgy". Then, turned around a few days later and claimed that they'd never "hurt anyone" with their pedophilia. (Despite what the chat logs said, touching a young relative and even distributing explicit photos of her.)

 

[MagickMan]

Oh, so you're going to present proof that they know this?

They're ignoring it for their own purposes.

 

[momeNt]

What is Gamergate again?

I thought it was about girls being paid to promote video games or something?

Anyways, I think gamers are in a good spot right now. BBC3 is going to be airing the League of Legends tournament when they are in Wembley stadium. That stadium will be sold out + it will have 1mil+ viewers watching the games. The WNBA finals peaked at 500k viewers. Gamers win, girls lose!

 

[MagickMan]

What is Gamergate again?

I thought it was about girls being paid to promote video games or something?

Pretty sure it's about exposing journalists as being unethical shills.

 

[werepossum]

I don't have any skin in this gamergate business. In fact, I've intentionally ignored the issue for a long while because I find both sides quite distasteful. However, I wanted to remark on this. The "support" for this Nyberg person seems to be coming from people arguing that she is not guilty of being a pedophile, that chat logs were doctored, etc. They may well be wrong and might even be wrong because they're biased, but that isn't the same thing as supporting someone after acknowledging that person is a pedophile.

It's a defense in depth. First it was "it never happened!" Then it was "she was simply trolling!" With those, I had no great problem since I cannot verify chat logs and site ownership, and tons of loathsome people on the Internet are apparently loathsome just for the hell of it. Then it morphed to "well, she didn't hurt anyone!" At that point I was starting to pull away, but the best was yet to come: Defenses admitting that Nyberg was in fact a practicing pedophile, but the people criticizing her are the bad people. At that point, not taking a side means accepting that being a practicing pedophile is not such a big deal as long as one agitates for the accepted agenda.

 

[0roo0roo]

Milo Yiannopoulos and Dave Rubin: Gamergate, Feminism, Atheism, Gay Rights [Full Interview]
The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FvADt-mJ_o

Harmful Remix - Gay Conservative Feminist
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=442OD4S3cqo



Rad Fem Org Who Plotted #TakeBackTheTech Accuses GamerGate of “Cyber Attack”
http://theralphretort.com/rad-fem-w...ch-accuses-gamergate-of-cyber-attack-1010015/

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeBackTheTech?src=hash
attempt to switch tags failed
https://twitter.com/hashtag/takebacktheteck?vertical=news&src=hash

The "takebackthetech.net" Foil is Owned by a High Powered NGO "Association for Progressive Communications" Which May be the Originator of "Online VAW" and has Deep Connections to the U.N
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAc...e_takebackthetechnet_foil_is_owned_by_a_high/

INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM PLANS NEW ‘ANTI-CYBERVIOLENCE’ PUSH
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ance-forum-plans-new-anti-cyberviolence-push/


ESA Criticizes United Nations Cyberviolence Report
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/30807/article/esa-criticizes-united-nations-cyberviolence-report/

ESA Criticizes United Nations’ Flawed Video Game Research
http://www.theesa.com/article/esa-criticizes-united-nations-flawed-video-game-research/

Polygon just happens to fail to report on this

United Nations DMCA 2.0: Hurt Feelings and Bruised Egos Edition
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjs36TJF44

Professional Victims Unit: Series of Tubes
chester lester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzu1TvdAZOE

As Gawker traffic stalls, writers told to work faster
https://archive.is/NKLT8



Penny Arcade goes against the tide

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2015/10/07/vox-something-or-other

http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2015/10/07/vox-something-or-other

SJW's in the forums throw a fit
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/201019/penny-arcade-comic-vox-something-or-other

salt compilation
https://twitter.com/mombot/status/651929378809516032

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-15-5765_en.htm


Suey Park goes back to the dark side

 

[0roo0roo]

Brendan O'Neill on a panel with Bahar Mustafa
London Thinks – Trigger Warning!
Conway Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yJdpzy500


BREITBART’S MILO YIANNOPOULOS BANNED FROM UNIVERSITY DEBATE ABOUT… CENSORSHIP
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...nned-from-university-debate-about-censorship/

Statement from the Students' Union 05.10.2015
https://archive.is/QMaUW


Manchester’s Student Union Bans Speakers from Society Event after Hosting One Who Advocated Execution of Gays
https://medium.com/@harperreginald1...-after-hosting-one-who-advocated-8531b288ee4b


Harmful Opinion - Censorship for Students' Safety
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQ_2rp8JOU

Bahar is now facing the consequences of the rules she supports
Diversity Officer Who Tweeted “#KillAllWhiteMen” Charged With Malicious Communications
http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/10/06/...arged-malicious-communications/#ixzz3oDKcuxr5

BAHAR MUSTAFA SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR TWEETING
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...should-never-have-been-arrested-for-tweeting/

#IStandWithBaharMustafa? No. But I do Stand Against the Speech Police She Helped Empower
http://theralphretort.com/istandwit...the-speech-police-she-helped-empower-1006015/



Milo Yiannopoulos Gets Kicked Out Of Slut Walk By Crazy Feminists
Milo Yiannopoulos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ_5ud9ftdc

CRACKED.COM EDITOR TEMPORARILY BANNED FROM REDDIT
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...ed-com-editor-temporarily-banned-from-reddit/

Q&A: Journalist chronicles 'GamerGate' as it unfolds
https://archive.is/G5ftN
link removed as it didn't fit their narrative
https://archive.is/kmUcM







Forbes Removes Article Arguing Tech Industry Does Not Have A 'Diversity Crisis'
http://www.ibtimes.com/forbes-remov...dustry-does-not-have-diversity-crisis-2129890

There Is No Diversity Crisis In Tech by Brian Hall
http://techraptor.net/content/there-is-no-diversity-crisis-in-tech-by-brian-hall

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3nsoje/forbes_removes_article_that_argued_the_tech/



Gamedropping hits anime now
prison school?...

#GamerGate/Anime: @FUNimation goes #FullSJW
Raging Golden Eagle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdbQTO0mhg

Prison school
A Rant for #GamerGate
BioDevil_Dom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIqwn67XgRI

Prison School and #GamerGate
MorphBox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-2fV__u1u8

#GamerGate/Anime: @FUNimation responds, is STILL in #FullSJW mode...
Raging Golden Eagle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-4NKl0Ch4





Social Justice Warrior makes it into the dictionary
Washington Post Why ‘social justice warrior,’ a Gamergate insult, is now a dictionary entry
https://archive.is/Ko24W


Wikipedia

TL;DR - I Don't Want to Live on this Planet
TL;DR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYPICUGk3D8

Freedom of Speech: Use it or lose it
Computing Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7HK1bOXyBk

Why MGSV's Quiet Should Have Been Transsexual
Max Derrat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdQ3ytShWtI




Harmful Opinion - The Linux Kernel Crybaby
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhTIWS7bCk

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366559#c147

#NotMyQueen

http://kukuruyo.com/comic/gamergate-life-61-english/

 

[Exophase]

Wrong. They know Nyberg's a pedophile, and are lying after being caught idiotically supporting it.

Maybe from some people but from what I've seen most of Nyberg's defenders deny that she was ever a pedophile. As does Nyberg herself - she doesn't even address the pedophilia but makes a blanket statement that she was merely being an "edgelord" who said shocking things for amusement. To support her as a pedophile would be to implicitly call her a liar.