#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[JSt0rm]

Bullshit. Just look at the demonstrations that pretty much every single university and college gender studies group put on every year. They're required to do this as part of the course, so this type of behaviour is taught, encouraged, rewarded, and penalized for failure to comply.

THIS is everyday feminism. Patriarchy theory, "gender is a construct", "every man will be a rapist and abuser if you don't pound out that 'toxic masculinity'", job gap, wage gap, representation gap, etc. etc. etc. That's all modern 3rd-wave mainstream feminism, not radicals.

All the ladies I date like it when I take control. Guess they didnt take the class.

 

[Blue_Max]

All the ladies I date like it when I take control. Guess they didnt take the class.

Heh... that's the bitter irony of it all. Everything feminism says they want in a man - they don't. Everything they say they hate - they're still attracted to.

Something left behind in the primitive corners of our human brains. You can rationalize and theorize all you want, you can't change biology.

Go ahead, femmes... #cancelfathersday, #nationalcastrationday, #giveyourmoneytowomen, #killallmen... and then wonder why there's a "sexodus" of men walking away from the shit these people are trying to call "appealing".

"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle!" Yeah? Well it turns out we don't need them much either.

We need a good, old-fashioned world calamity. With no time for games, men will have to work their asses off to survive and rebuild... and the feminist princesses will ALSO have to start *really* contributing instead of bitching and whining about made-up "oppression".

 

[Nebor]

Yes you can. In Counter-strike, for example, you can flashbang people on your team, block doorways, stand in front of people trying to use a sniper rifle, team attack (even with friendly fire off, hitting your teammate in the head causes their view to bounce), jump on teammates' heads to limit their mobility and spam radio commands that aren't covered with the ignore function. You used to be able to stick teammates in place with smoke grenades, and you can still use smoke grenades to break physics models on certain maps. Griefing is unfortunately common and without dedicated people administering servers, they can devolve into a shitshow in no time at all. That's just one game, but you can do similar things in all matter of online games. If you think harassment is limited to communication, you don't have much experience gaming online.

I'm not big into online gaming, but this "Counter-strike" (never heard of it) sounds like a pretty rare exception to the norm of online gaming. I'm guessing not many people play it due to the poor mechanics you've described.

 

[Chiropteran]

Yes you can. In Counter-strike, for example, you can flashbang people on your team, block doorways, stand in front of people trying to use a sniper rifle, team attack (even with friendly fire off, hitting your teammate in the head causes their view to bounce), jump on teammates' heads to limit their mobility and spam radio commands that aren't covered with the ignore function.

1- I thought you banned people who did those things. Were you lying earlier when you said that? Or was your earlier point completely pointless because it only applied to one little server?

2- All the above occurs all the time. It's called trolling, has not a damn thing to do with harassing the ladies, idiots do it for fun and they don't care if they are pissing off a guy or girl in the process. Since it isn't discriminatory towards women, doesn't that mean that stuff is perfectly fine a-okay by your book?

 

[Exophase]

Yes you can. In Counter-strike, for example, you can flashbang people on your team, block doorways, stand in front of people trying to use a sniper rifle, team attack (even with friendly fire off, hitting your teammate in the head causes their view to bounce), jump on teammates' heads to limit their mobility and spam radio commands that aren't covered with the ignore function. You used to be able to stick teammates in place with smoke grenades, and you can still use smoke grenades to break physics models on certain maps. Griefing is unfortunately common and without dedicated people administering servers, they can devolve into a shitshow in no time at all. That's just one game, but you can do similar things in all matter of online games. If you think harassment is limited to communication, you don't have much experience gaming online.

Are these things exploiting bugs that people can ordinarily do to get an unfair competitive advantage? Or are these things people do to sabotage their own team?

I'm legitimately curious here, how often have you seen people resort to this sort of harassment vs more conventional shit talking?

 

[Brainonska511]

I thought this would be quite relevant for this thread:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33613781
"A new study has found that men who harass women online are actual losers - at least when it comes to video games."

 

[DrDoug]

I thought this would be quite relevant for this thread:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33613781
"A new study has found that men who harass women online are actual losers - at least when it comes to video games."

Relevant and covered it already. Couldn't pass it up as it fits this thread to a T.

 

[Chiropteran]

An old study has found that men who "whiteknight" and attempt to defend the honor of women online in the hopes getting with them at some point are actual losers - who will never get out of the friend zone.

 

[MagickMan]

You can't deny that women are harassed more than men, though.

Yes, I can, because what everyone else calls "bullshitting" and "bro talk", women call harassment.

 

[MagickMan]

Maybe they don't, but Blue_Max pretty obviously does.

Not that I've noticed, he just despises feminists, and that's pretty normal for men.

Logical people can't, these gamergate assholes will deny it all day because they think women deserved to be harassed for daring to be born with vaginas (which to GG dipshits is like the Ocarina of Time Water Temple level; tedious, aggravating, and "why can't I beat this already?")

It's hard to take anyone seriously who goes on at your level of bulllshit and hyperbole. Equality means catching the same shit as everyone else in gaming, and that often means being called names and getting cussed out while playing. Some nights I catch shit 2-3 times, often involving name-calling, that's part of it. Does it happen too often? Maybe, but that's not a gender thing, that's the state of in-game trolling towards others in general, not just women.

 

[MagickMan]

[Citation needed]

You're clearly not a gamer nor have you ever played an MMO.

Women are revered, regardless of how low skill they are.

Reminds me of my time as main tank for a progression guild during TBC and WotLK in WoW. We were often in the top 50 or so in the USA and tensions were kind of high, because certain people took shit a little too seriously. I'd openly get called out for positioning, mistimed cooldowns, and or mechanics mistakes while learning a fight. "Can you please not fucking stand there when that mob is about to blow up? Do you need a goddamned diagram?" Shit like that. It didn't bother me, I'd tell the raid leader I'd work on it and for him to go fuck himself.

The women in the raid were seldom called out for mistakes (which they often made, too), at least not publically, but when they were it was with a "please" and "thank you" and no profanity. The one time that I do remember it happening the raid leader asked her, "What the fuck was that? How did you miss that big glowing symbol on the floor?" Then she immediately left the raid, quit the guild, and logged off.

So no, that's not equality, that's expectation of better than normal treatment. :\

Also, in regards to that article about women being harassed online and their example of 130ish Halo games.


El oh el? This one bit tells anyone who has ever played online all they need to know that it is complete bull.

Yep, complete and utter horseshit that only non-gamers would ever believe. The whole thing appears to be made up, which wouldn't surprise me given the state of social "science" studies.

 

[MagickMan]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966

 

[Chiropteran]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbeEuYAZFL4

 

[Atomic Playboy]

1- I thought you banned people who did those things. Were you lying earlier when you said that? Or was your earlier point completely pointless because it only applied to one little server?

2- All the above occurs all the time. It's called trolling, has not a damn thing to do with harassing the ladies, idiots do it for fun and they don't care if they are pissing off a guy or girl in the process. Since it isn't discriminatory towards women, doesn't that mean that stuff is perfectly fine a-okay by your book?

Yes, I ban people who do those things. My point was not "here's a great way to get away with harassment and never get caught," it was a direct rebuttal to your point that if a game has an ignore function it's impossible to harass someone in it. You can absolutely harass someone without saying or typing a single word to them. Regardless of what triggers that harassment, it's wrong, and we remove people who engage in it.

Are these things exploiting bugs that people can ordinarily do to get an unfair competitive advantage? Or are these things people do to sabotage their own team?

I'm legitimately curious here, how often have you seen people resort to this sort of harassment vs more conventional shit talking?

Team attacking and team flashing is fairly common trolling, especially on servers with friendly fire enabled. Some people just want to watch the world burn, you know? When I'm playing regularly, I'd see a handful every week. And that's on a server with a lot of active admins who don't put up with such shenanigans. Fortunately even a mere kick is often enough to get rid of the offenders.

 

[Chiropteran]

Yes, I ban people who do those things. My point was not "here's a great way to get away with harassment and never get caught," it was a direct rebuttal to your point that if a game has an ignore function it's impossible to harass someone in it. You can absolutely harass someone without saying or typing a single word to them. Regardless of what triggers that harassment, it's wrong, and we remove people who engage in it.

In your specific example, you are being "harassed" by someone you let into your own team in a game. It's absolutely within your power to stop the "harassment" at any moment, because you can either form a new team elsewhere or perhaps vote-kick the troll off.

Besides that, it's not really even harassment. Team killing or purposely losing a game already has a more appropriate term: griefing. It's not harassment based on any previous definition of the word, it's just something you might dislike.

Griefing is still completely equal. Trolls who pull that shit do it to everyone. Harasment is personal, griefing your whole team isn't harasment.

I don't like losing, all these assholes on Hearthstone are harassing me because they play strong decks and beat me, please fix.

Team attacking and team flashing is fairly common trolling, especially on servers with friendly fire enabled. Some people just want to watch the world burn, you know?

You even admit it yourself. It's trolling, or griefing, it's not harassment.

 

[MrPickins]

Yes, I can, because what everyone else calls "bullshitting" and "bro talk", women call harassment.

I know I always ask my bros if I can see their tits.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I've literally watched people specifically target a single individual with such tactics, which is absolutely harassment. And your solutions don't apply; "form a new team" doesn't exist in CS and "vote-kick" is dependent on the server having third party mods installed AND convincing enough people to vote in your favor. I'm glad to be part of a community which has a zero-tolerance policy for that sort of behavior, but I've played in other pubs where that's not the case, and I've seen people gang up on a single individual for shits and giggles. You're engaging in hypotheticals, I'm telling you about what I have specifically seen happen in the real (virtual) world. And I still have absolutely no idea why you're going to such lengths to defend harassment, as if there was ever a valid reason to engage in such behavior.

 

[Phanuel]

You can also just leave the CS server... I know that's hard to do and all hitting "Esc" and then "Quit Game".

 

[MrPickins]

You can also just leave the CS server... I know that's hard to do and all hitting "Esc" and then "Quit Game".

Or, hear me out, people could just stop harassing others.

 

[Phanuel]

You've lost any sense how how the world and people works if you think that's a reasonable or realistic solution.

Do you have the same solution for cat-calling on the street?

You want to mentally change every male on the planet at a genetic/chemical level. It'll never happen.

What could happen and is WAAAAAY more likely is empowering women to stand up for themselves and take proactive actions to eliminate themselves being on the receiving end of what they perceive as harassment.

 

[MrPickins]

You've lost any sense how how the world and people works if you think that's a reasonable or realistic solution.

Do you have the same solution for cat-calling on the street?

You want to mentally change every male on the planet at a genetic/chemical level. It'll never happen.

Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophesy?

Besides, you act as though every male cat-call or harasses women online. Really, it's the small minority that do it, but attitudes like yours allow it to continue unchecked.

Somehow, the majority of us have learned to act like gentlemen.

What could happen and is WAAAAAY more likely is empowering women to stand up for themselves and take proactive actions to eliminate themselves being on the receiving end of what they perceive as harassment.

You mean like actively speaking up against harassment? They do, and your kind calls them feminazis and tells them to get over it. (See all of your responses in this thread.)

 

[Phanuel]

*shrug* Pretty pointless continuing this as you live in fantasy land.

And being one of those "gentlemen" myself in current society, let me tell you, it's awful. I'll die a virgin at this rate because I'm not acting like an animal and slobbering over every woman I see until one of them reciprocates.

Being nice as a guy is a death sentence. You're lying if you never behaved a bit like a proper male animal to get female attention. But now you have no problem telling the rest of us to cut our balls off.

Be continue preaching a solution akin to abstinence (stop acting like a male) to avoid teen and pre-marital pregnancies (harassment).

 

[Chiropteran]

I've literally watched people specifically target a single individual with such tactics, which is absolutely harassment. And your solutions don't apply; "form a new team" doesn't exist in CS

BS.

You get on skype or teamspeak or google talk or send a damn mass email to your friends "hey, this server sucks some teamkilling jerk is here messing with me" Then you and your friends find a new server, without the asshole. Ta-da.

That fact that you think women are incapable of such rational thought makes you a much bigger misogynist than anyone else in this thread.

 

[Chiropteran]

Or, hear me out, people could just stop harassing others.

If you truly believed that you wouldn't be posting in P&N.

 

[Exophase]

You're lying if you never behaved a bit like a proper male animal to get female attention.

I'm not lying when I say I haven't, and I'm still in a relationship now (ie, not dying a virgin)