#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[Phanuel]

The whole point of your "movement" is to exclude people you don't like, namely relative newcomers and those you call feminists and liberals. It's a reaction against much broader social movements that have nothing to do with gaming. Only now that you feel those movements are starting to affect gaming has your mistrust of those movements has turned to open hatred. Now it's all about protecting your sanctuary, the basement, and keeping it just as racist and sexist as it has ever been.

Except that it's the complete opposite of all of this nonsense?


Why would I listen to a man, who chopped his own penis, off rail against patriarchy of white men when he quite literally came from a white trust fund family?

Why would I listen to a woman who is a known fraud and multi level marketing scam artist who doesn't even play video games?

If you're anti-GG, you're uninformed or just enjoying being a sheep because you've already stereotyped gamers as basement dwelling neck beards (your own words, quoted right above) and just want to yell at someone else from a false high horse of moral superiority.

Grow up and investigate things for yourself. Stop parroting garbage from frauds and cons.

 

[Ruptga]

durka durr

I don't know which specific people you're referencing. I don't care about internet celebrities, and I certainly don't pay attention to their blogs. Also, I am a basement dweller. I've been gaming since my family got an NES, I'm an introvert, and I do have a beard although it is a tastefully trimmed away from my neck. I parrot nothing; these are my own opinions formed over decades of being around the people that now make up this asinine "movement". In short, you don't know me and may as well be parroting your own crap from a script.

Gamergaters are an embarrassment to gamers in specific and humanity in general. Your entire ideology is founded on false dichotomies and xenophobia, and you've done nothing but ensure that society at large still sees us all as ugly, ignorant, and hateful losers.

 

[Blue_Max]

Hahaha, cultural marxism. Oh the things you rightwingers will invent to justify your stupidity.

You somehow believe there is a Illuminati of gaming journalists, how you believe that and still manage to put your shoes on without help is amazing. Unless they are velcro or something.

Like I keep sayin', feminists NEVER miss an opportunity to hurl an insult. Debates, like fights, are won by "anger points" not facts.

 

[Subyman]

So how about them video games y'all? Personally, I think Civ:BE could use more T&A.

 

[0roo0roo]

163,000 views in a day...
#Equality
Neel Kolhatkar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM-HJT8_esM

The Cognitive Dissonance of the Social Justice Warrior
Chris Ray Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOHrd-Punw

Video Games, Sexism, and the San Francisco Problem
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ZKqDtFBE0


RANT: #GamerGate - Zoe Quinn, Journalism, and Anita Sarkeesian
Chris Ray Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D6EAmH538o

News Media VS Video Games AGAIN - #GamerGate #FullMcIntosh
Chris Ray Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgbcBoBt-10

Good @Nightline, Sweet #GamerGate
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXOhN2u5wtY

The Video Games Cause Violence Argument
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMWEg-DdUDg

Anita Sarkeesian & ABC News Both Completely Fucking Suck
AlphaOmegaSin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhDTtO_lDTs

Tyler's Views on ABC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1Dz4iqAg4

First World Feminism vs Islam
Thunderf00t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUd4Jn6p8U

The Curious Case of Kim Kardashian: Hollywood - Top Game of 2014
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL2hQpa4EnU


Threedog's #Gamergate News Radio Ep 15
Oliver Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZ85Ns7qaI

Bonus side show
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/10/the-madness-of-queen-shanley/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry

Yes, you thought it would stop at gamers? Crazies like her are attacking Linus of Linux...
Ars being the corrupt sjw's they are helped lead the attack...

 

[Blue_Max]

OMG... what the heck to feminist SJW's have against Linus/Linux??? The Penguin of Patriarchy? "Open" Source sounds like rape?!?

oy... must dig into that coily steamer.

 

[0roo0roo]

OMG... what the heck to feminist SJW's have against Linus/Linux??? The Penguin of Patriarchy? "Open" Source sounds like rape?!?

oy... must dig into that coily steamer.

Her twitter feed is....something....

 

[Blue_Max]

Bat. S&#t. Crazy.

 

[PottedMeat]

part of the ToleranUX parody?

http://arstechnica.com/information-...x-fork-mocks-calls-for-open-source-diversity/

Absolutely no coding experience is necessary: all code are equal in the eyes of the Feminist Software Foundation. There is no objective way to determine whether one person's code is better than another's. In light of this fact, all submitted code will be equally accepted. However, marginalized groups, such as wom*n and trans* will be given priority in order to make up for past discrimination. Simply submit a pull request for any submission, whether code, artwork, or even irrelevant bits — nothing is irrelevant in the grand struggle for a Truly Tolerant UNIX-ike Kernel!:

 

[DrDoug]

part of the ToleranUX parody?

http://arstechnica.com/information-...x-fork-mocks-calls-for-open-source-diversity/

Looks like the boys are being boys, again. Life must really suck in their Mom's basement.

She's probably telling them to make their own damned sammiches...lol!

 

[MrPickins]

If you're anti-GG, you're uninformed or just enjoying being a sheep because you've already stereotyped gamer gaters as basement dwelling neck beards

Fixed that.

At this point most everyone realizes that that stereotype doesn't fit most gamers.

In fact that was the whole point with the "'Gamers' are over" articles (something most GG supporters don't seem to understand).

Gamergaters are an embarrassment to gamers in specific and humanity in general. Your entire ideology is founded on false dichotomies and xenophobia, and you've done nothing but ensure that society at large still sees us all as ugly, ignorant, and hateful losers.

:thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

At this point I need to borrow a "Sweet Lord, is this still going on?" GIF.

I'd also like an explanation of why there seems to be no one involved except Sommers and Torvalds who is above the age of fifteen, but I understand that could probably only be explained in a doctor's office with dolls.

 

[blankslate]

At this point I need to borrow a "Sweet Lord, is this still going on?" GIF.

How about this

cause that is pretty much how people should react to the issue that is purportedly the subject of this thread being hijacked by people looking to turn videogames into a political identity shitstorm

too put it another way...

And so... you can have these arguments; they are worth having.
What should our art look like?
Should our art include the category of things we traditionally call videogames?
I would argue that they should.
But if you want to disagree with Roger Ebert.
If you want to win the argument; that videogames should be considered art.
You necessarily have to let other artists into the mix
You necessarily have to let other kinds of criticism into the mix.

So when feminists critique Michael Bay movies you don't get gamergate...
What You get is people being like "ugh, it's happening again." and then lots of people watch Michael Bay movies.
When feminists critique videogames...
What you get is you get is GamerGate.

And that is the problem.

instead we get dipshits doxxing each other and swatting each other...

ffs.

^Some of you posters in here need to try one of the categories on the game board in this image.. hint it's the lower right one.
....

 

[Blue_Max]

This is why gamergaters haven't just "shut up and gone back to their moms' basements". The feminist attacks certainly haven't stopped. The game-shame hasn't stopped.

People are gonna' keep defending themselves and calling you out on your bullshit as long as you keep spewing it.

 

[yllus]

Gamergaters are an embarrassment to gamers in specific and humanity in general. Your entire ideology is founded on false dichotomies and xenophobia, and you've done nothing but ensure that society at large still sees us all as ugly, ignorant, and hateful losers.

Yep. My hope is that most of these folks are young and will grow out of it and into some sense.

 

[Blue_Max]

Yep. My hope is that most of these folks are young and will grow out of it and into some sense.

...and what sense is that, exactly? To allow a panel of feminists to dictate what can and cannot be in video games? Or to just quit gaming entirely and put in more overtime?

 

[yllus]

...and what sense is that, exactly? To allow a panel of feminists to dictate what can and cannot be in video games? Or to just quit gaming entirely and put in more overtime?

The sense is that there's no grand feminist conspiracy to persecute you. Sure, there are some feminists who hate games/gamers/men, there are some other people who think games are for children, and so on - but aside from a rare article or two they're almost entirely ignored by game developers, publishers and the gaming press. The grandness of all of this is entirely a work of fiction.

I'll echo what someone else wrote - gamers are over. We literally have won; everyone plays games today, even if it's just $1 iOS games or Madden. I can stand up at work and announce something about LoL or DOTA and there are going to be a half dozen people who respond. The subculture isn't so sub anymore, so there are going to be different groups telling "us" what we should be / act like. That's normal. It's not a conspiracy.

 

[nickqt]

The sense is that there's no grand feminist conspiracy to persecute you. Sure, there are some feminists who hate games/gamers/men, there are some other people who think games are for children, and so on - but aside from a rare article or two they're almost entirely ignored by game developers, publishers and the gaming press. The grandness of all of this is entirely a work of fiction.

I'll echo what someone else wrote - gamers are over. We literally have won; everyone plays games today, even if it's just $1 iOS games or Madden. I can stand up at work and announce something about LoL or DOTA and there are going to be a half dozen people who respond. The subculture isn't so sub anymore, so there are going to be different groups telling "us" what we should be / act like. That's normal. It's not a conspiracy.

This is right.

My girlfriend plays all sorts of games on her iphone. I get game requests for lives or to play some crap game from females through facebook all the time.

Some people are quick to scream "FEMINIST NAZI" because a few females are making their voices loud and clear. I just ignore them because I don't care and I'm not intimidated by women. Same way I ignore far more men who are clearly obnoxious and idiotic, because again, I'm not intimidated by men.

I'm not even sure why any of this matters. It's pretty clear that most PC games are going to cater to youngish males and will show lots of cleavage, etc, ad nauseum.

The only people who are going to get upset over women being upset over this are people who are easily intimidated and who feel the need to put women in their place. Otherwise, you'd just look at them, consider them typically over-emotional sacks of hormones, laugh internally, and move on.

Feminists, DeathPanels™, and hispanic preteens inoculated with ebola and trained by ISIS are coming to take all of us white heterosexual men off to FEMA re-education camps while taking away our guns and forcing us to gay marry our uncles.

I mean, some people actually believe the joke I just wrote above. They're usually the ones overly concerned with this whole "gamergate" thing. Boogiemen sure are useful for scaring a whole subset of people. I just wish they'd stay home on election day.

 

[Blue_Max]

...so you're saying that since "almost everyone is a gamer" there's no need to identify as one? I can agree to that. I never considered myself as one in any sense beyond enjoying the games I like - always have, always will.

But you're wrong about feminists not wanting to get in there and push their agenda -- Snark-eesian and her cronies most certainly are and she's all over the papers and TV. She's keeping the topic hot & fresh so she can keep crying crocodile tears about how "those bad, bad gamer boys are saying mean things to me!" *sniffle*

...one can only hope that ignoring her will make her influence shrivel, except she's using every opportunity to gain publicity for herself and her cause.

...and I hope for your sake you never have to deal with family courts, where you get to see some of the true power feminism holds today.

 

[DrDoug]

...so you're saying that since "almost everyone is a gamer" there's no need to identify as one? I can agree to that. I never considered myself as one in any sense beyond enjoying the games I like - always have, always will.

But you're wrong about feminists not wanting to get in there and push their agenda -- Snark-eesian and her cronies most certainly are and she's all over the papers and TV. She's keeping the topic hot & fresh so she can keep crying crocodile tears about how "those bad, bad gamer boys are saying mean things to me!" *sniffle*

I hope that one of these days you gain enough experience to realize that just about everyone has an agenda of one sort or another. Sometimes they have several of them! In this case everyone who is emotionally invested in this bullshit has an agenda, including you. Once you realize that people have agendas and there are other people who are against those agendas, you will hopefully decide that being a part of crap like this is a waste of your time.

All I am seeing are stupid people (GGers) battling a self-created 'enemy' and doing a remarkably shitty job of it. They have shot themselves in the foot so many times that there's only a stump left. Most people have largely ignored radical feminists up to this point but GGers are out there putting them up on a pedestal and trying to burn their enemy at the stake.

It's a fools errand and you are fools for pursuing it.

 

[nickqt]

I hope that one of these days you gain enough experience to realize that just about everyone has an agenda of one sort or another. Sometimes they have several of them! In this case everyone who is emotionally invested in this bullshit has an agenda, including you. Once you realize that people have agendas and there are other people who are against those agendas, you will hopefully decide that being a part of crap like this is a waste of your time.

All I am seeing are stupid people (GGers) battling a self-created 'enemy' and doing a remarkably shitty job of it. They have shot themselves in the foot so many times that there's only a stump left. Most people have largely ignored radical feminists up to this point but GGers are out there putting them up on a pedestal and trying to burn their enemy at the stake.

It's a fools errand and you are fools for pursuing it.

Ultimately, it the Streisand Effect, and the people who keep talking about it are losing to people who no one else are paying attention to.

 

[brycejones]

This is why gamergaters haven't just "shut up and gone back to their moms' basements". The feminist attacks certainly haven't stopped. The game-shame hasn't stopped.

People are gonna' keep defending themselves and calling you out on your bullshit as long as you keep spewing it.

You're going to keep boxing shadow puppets? Good luck man.

 

[Blue_Max]

You're going to keep boxing shadow puppets? Good luck man.

Heh... the ol' feminist "no such thing as misandry" approach, eh?

 

[yllus]

...so you're saying that since "almost everyone is a gamer" there's no need to identify as one? I can agree to that. I never considered myself as one in any sense beyond enjoying the games I like - always have, always will.

No, you and others welcome to self-identify as a gamer. My point is that there are now so many gamers out there that there's naturally going to be a wide range of opinion on what traits that identity should contain. The key is understanding that you don't have sole claim on the term. I mean, I rolled my eyes when the girlfriend I had in university called herself a gamer (she only ever played Bejeweled on my Xbox 360), but rationally I have no greater claim on 'gamer' than she does.

But you're wrong about feminists not wanting to get in there and push their agenda -- Snark-eesian and her cronies most certainly are and she's all over the papers and TV. She's keeping the topic hot & fresh so she can keep crying crocodile tears about how "those bad, bad gamer boys are saying mean things to me!" *sniffle*

...one can only hope that ignoring her will make her influence shrivel, except she's using every opportunity to gain publicity for herself and her cause.

I watched the first few Feminist Frequency videos that came out before Ms. Sarkeesian came into all of this; I thought her analysis was somewhat contrived but also right on some basic points. Women are characterized as helpless, as sexual trophies or as both in many, many games. That has to bother female gamers at least a little bit. There is a legitimate complaint that can be made there. I can accept that there are things the gaming industry could stand to do a little differently from time to time.

 

[Blue_Max]

I watched the first few Feminist Frequency videos that came out before Ms. Sarkeesian came into all of this; I thought her analysis was somewhat contrived but also right on some basic points. Women are characterized as helpless, as sexual trophies or as both in many, many games. That has to bother female gamers at least a little bit. There is a legitimate complaint that can be made there. I can accept that there are things the gaming industry could stand to do a little differently from time to time.

If it was as simple and balanced as you made it out, I wouldn't have a problem either. In later videos, Sarky used outright lies to try and "prove" her point about how eeeeevil these games are, and how evil it makes the men who play them, even without their consciousness of it. She did a lot of other sneaky, underhanded stuff too, like stealing artwork and gameplay footage from others without acknowledgement, then denied the accusations even after proof of her theft. The only gameplay footage actually hers was when she played Hitman and purposely misused the game to kill all the women, claiming "that was the object of the game" (despite the score being penalized over and over for doing so - and no other playthrough video on YT contained what she claims because you can fail the game for harming the innocent - male or female.

I could go on and on but there's little point. Sarkeesian has no credibility. Zero. None. She should not be taking in six-figure wads of cash and putting on public talks about anything - she should be shamed and then forgotten for the lying hack that she is.

Instead, she's the forerunner for the panel on how to make games more feminist-friendly.

*sigh*