#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[Exophase]

Is this endless musings by guys with small penises?

On one side you have people shouting about those annoying feminists or SJWs or whatever who are apparently all fat and ugly smelly cat ladies with died hair who are raging lesbians.

On the other side you have people shouting about those disgusting MRAs or gators or whatever who are apparently all neck beard creeper virgin losers with small penises who live in their parent's basement and will die alone.

These stereotyping slurs are really not that useful and probably not even that accurate most of the time...

 

[Exophase]

This is the problem which is GamerGate, it exposes many weaknesses in the system. Guess who creates the citations which wikipedia accepts? Gawker and the slew of progressive outlets who do little more than click bait agenda journalism and hold to a narrative no matter what the truth is, they become sources for the lazy and many times similarly ideologically corrupt main stream media which do little more than paraphrase blogs for their tech/gaming coverage.

So you end up with this situation

Also, like the rest of the bay area moral majority tech elites, Wikipedia is riddled with sjw ideologues, some editors were so corrupt they took money(ryulong) who now does his damage at "rationalwiki" which is even more cancerous. People fought over the wikipedia page for quite a while but its considered a lost cause a this point because when you fight the media, the media slanders you, and they are the only recognized citations for producing wikipedia articles. SJW's understand that places like wikipedia are a battle ground and so they entrench themselves into the system to control the narrative, feminist groups at colleges/women's studies departments also make it a priority to encourage involvement with wikipedia.

The majority of edits are by a few people, the most egregious was banned for appearances sake, the rest are hardly any better.

Eron didn't lie about his ex, his ex lied about him. Much like the Gregory Alan Elliott case, once this reaches a court the story from the feminist starts to fall apart under scrutiny. She lied on the affidavit implying he had leaked revenge porn in order to get her original gag order, which was an abuse of the law. The pictures were preexisting from previous pornography photoshoots she did for a porn website. Her case had no merit, so failing to bleed him out financially, she had to drop her case, and most any of you would have been bled out by this, his legal fund required 30k and that is with a good will discount from a firm interested in setting precedent to prevent the law from being abused this way in the future.

This is the video explaining the case.
Turnabout #Gamergate! -- Indie-Fensible
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5QkJGA1ds

GamerGate is simply an illustration of just how far the media is willing to go to push a false narrative, from the BBC, CBC, NPR, PBS, it doesn't matter how respected or how much government oversight you think these outlets have, they all failed when reporting on this issue, shamelessly at times.

I already showed in previous posts even after Gregory Allan Elliot was vindicated, the CBC continued to smear his name. The only tweet the judge deemed "homophobic", was tweeted by a feminist impersonation account of Elliott just slightly mispelled, but even the judge was fooled.

The article from yesterday on the case as it continues because Eron is pushing foward to set precedent.

Appellate argument today as to the order that Eron Gjoni ‘not . . . post any further information’ about Zoë Quinn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...post-any-further-information-about-zoe-quinn/


This is simply one aspect. The other is how societal biases have been molded and exploited by those with agendas to allow for such things to happen, to create an environment where it is easier and safer for most "journalists" to go along with the narrative than to question it, and for the ones who drink the koolaid, its an environment where there are no repercussions for shameless dishonesty. They are well aware of the "facts", as they are bombarded with them every time one of their dishonest pieces comes out, they simply do not care.

The influencers in academia which feed the media have been delt with during GamerGate
How DiGRA Caused the End of Gamers, #Gamergate and #NotYourShield
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rouq-VdgXdo

Now that sci-hub exposes their research for everyone to see, it may become harder for them to maintain their veneer of credibility. Of course this is probably putting too much faith in the media.

There are interrelated issues which are covered in the thread already. GG started off with tens of thousands of comments being deleted from reddit after all.


The recent Syfy series is just the narrative taken to the logical extreme.

I only have to ask if you ever got the impression from an article on the case that this Eron Gjoni guy was anything other than a misogynist. Ask yourself who hangs out with someone like Zoe Quinn, who swims in those circles. He was a SJW like the rest of them, and he was only convinced to do his "call out" by his lesbian friend.
GamerGate Launched in My Apartment, and, Internet, I’m Sorry. (Not that sorry.)
https://medium.com/@srachel_m/gamer...internet-im-sorry-not-that-sorry-13e5650fd172
It doesn't fit with the story the press would like to tell you, so it is always omitted and replaced with the tale of "misogyny".


Much of the awareness of things like SJW's were pushed into the public consciousness by GamerGate.


On other similar cases like Stephanie Guthrie and Jian Ghomeshi. Again, who are these people, Jian Ghomeshi(male feminist), Gregory Allen Elliot, friends with feminists, its why he had contact with them.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVRQqUgDRBevsDGOeE1DL3A/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/johntheother/videos

I don't usually agree with all of your thoughts on these matters but I think this more or less aligns with how I see it.

I'm not very happy with how the GG "discussion" has ended up at this point; there are a lot of negative things going on in even the most once-moderate places and I've grown pretty disillusioned with that. But none of that ever changed what I've seen as the most core issue brought about all of this, which is how easily the media forms an unfair and unified front. And if you even say this you'll just called a conspiracy theorist at best, but probably also a misogynist and bigot or whatever. If there's any increase in online prejudice I would say it is very much been pushed along by the media who has made people feel like they are being preemptively judged and that no one will really listen to them. There's now a growing subset of people who have a harder and harder time listening to feminists in particular because of the media message.

But I'm nobody (in this anyway) and there's no point listening to me. Better off listening to people like David Auerbach. He is NOT pro-GG and very much thinks the whole debacle has caused a lot of bad blood for little worthwhile cause. But he, unlike most of the media, has been willing to look at it with some nuance and consideration. And I feel this goes well with much he has written on other subjects which has been very thoughtful and analytical.

So I recommend him as a place to start looking if anyone really cares to look.

Here's an article he wrote about it in October 2014, when things were really going crazy everywhere:

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn..._end_gamergate_a_divide_and_conquer_plan.html

Since then he's become more jaded at the media response. He followed with a comment in August 2015:

"Gamergate" is simply a catch-all smear term at this point for anyone the fauxgressives want to shut down. And that only helps GG too.

https://twitter.com/auerbachkeller/status/631517874679513089

And finally released this statement that November:

I think there is next to zero interest among the press in establishing the facts around Gamergate, and quite a lot of pressure against establishing a factual record. The entire thing has been the worst case of journalistic malpractice of any issue I've been involved in, it has made any sort of public discussion around Gamergate impossible, and it is why I no longer participate in such discussion. I have moved on to areas where I think I can have a more positive impact, such as my reporting around facilitated communication, which I believe to be a more important story anyway.

I have give up trying to correct the record. And until the record is corrected, there seems to be little point in discussing any of the issues below. It's putting the cart before the horse. Knowledge is a prerequisite to thoughtful opinion. I did my best to bring the actual facts to people's attention, but as I told Koretzky when he invited me to the Florida SPJ event, I'm done with that particular Sisyphean boulder.

https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/667199219539775488

It's sad, but I can't really blame him. I feel mostly the same way. When someone says something about this I think is unfair/prejudiced/inaccurate it's hard not to be frustrated, but I try to just accept that that's the way things are. Like what's the point even correcting someone again for saying that Eron Gjoini falsely accused his ex about anything? It'll just be repeated yet again by another media outlet and people will much more easily believe that than me. What are they going to do, actually read what the lengthy screed he wrote? Of course not. Just like I'm sure few journalists who have commented on it have.

People (on both sides really) seem way more interested in throwing around petty insults than really talking about anything anyway.

 

[Roflmouth]

Yup, that's basically all it is.

You wish that's all it was, but yet again, your hopes and dreams don't reflect reality. Better luck lying next time.

 

[Roflmouth]

Is it primarily just the one guy (0roo0roo) posting? His posts look like spam to me, but must take a while to create. Was I right in my post above about what this threads about? If not, what is the thread about? To me (again I have no idea wtf is going on) it just seems like hating on females.

Golly, for someone who has "no idea" what's going on, you miraculously reached the most uncharitable conclusion possible. What are the odds?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Is this endless musings by guys with small penises?

Reactionary culture warriors who happen to play computer games. <shrug>

 

[Exophase]

Golly, for someone who has "no idea" what's going on, you miraculously reached the most uncharitable conclusion possible. What are the odds?

Given that's basically the first (and often only) thing most people say about it it's not hard to see how someone can think that while knowing they don't really have any other idea about it. He did say he had only limited knowledge first.

I can't really blame people for only knowing "that" about it.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Golly, for someone who has "no idea" what's going on, you miraculously reached the most uncharitable conclusion possible. What are the odds?

lol true.

Given that's basically the first (and often only) thing most people say about it it's not hard to see how someone can think that while knowing they don't really have any other idea about it. He did say he had only limited knowledge first.

I can't really blame people for only knowing "that" about it.

Calling someone or a group of people evil misogynist seems like the type of accusation you should reserve, until you are informed.

 

[Exophase]

Calling someone or a group of people evil misogynist seems like the type of accusations you should reserve until you are informed.

It's not just that they're going off of the media calling them misogynists without explanation though; they're putting forth a pretty specific (but inaccurate) story. That it's an organized harassment campaign directed and keeping women out of game development, game journalism, and playing games in general. To support that they haul out the three main (female) anti-GG victims who have received harassment from whatever actual parties (like anyone with notoriety on the internet) and who have heavily co-opted the media and GG to spread their activism. People just don't have enough reason to doubt any of this.

It doesn't help that it has attracted some legitimately bad elements. Pretty much any time you have something like this, backed by the staunchest and most militant of media feminists, it will attract their biggest natural opponents which include some chauvinists and actual misogynists. And then there's GG's biggest media advocate, Milo Yiannapolus, a massive troll and unethical journalist, and people like Ethan Ralph who runs a pretty gross pro-GG tabloid-esque smear blog and has since the beginning. Easy targets to pull out to try to then apply to everyone.

People don't really consider nuance and variation within a group like this. Not if the entire media is pushing this narrative, and Wikipedia is backing it (because of how Wikipedia works), they're not going to automatically question it.

What's more, part of the narrative has been to heavily politicize things, quickly pushing the major lie that pro-GGers are all far-right conservatives. Which is an easy way to get a lot of liberals and even moderates to reflexively react negatively to it. But then most on the actual right (save Breitbart) don't care about it either, so for the most part only the liberal media says anything. And it's all bad.

So yeah I don't really blame people for starting out believing the media, given no reason not to.. especially if they're willing to listen to people who say otherwise. I wish it wasn't like this but ultimately I blame the writers themselves far more than the readers.

 

[Blue_Max]

Without reading over 100 pages to catch up, wtf is this even still about? My limited knowledge on it is that some girl made a game and slept with some guy so he would write a good review. Then it morphed into being just a general anti female sentiment. Am I even close? What exactly is GamerGate?

It's probably been posted before but there's too much to slog through.

Milo explains it extremely well (while still including all pertinent details) in under 15 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

 

[werepossum]

It's probably been posted before but there's too much to slog through.

Milo explains it extremely well (while still including all pertinent details) in under 15 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

Milo is freakin' brilliant. He's my favorite supervillain, even ahead of the Mighty Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend. Um, I mean Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.

 

[UglyCasanova]

It's probably been posted before but there's too much to slog through.

Milo explains it extremely well (while still including all pertinent details) in under 15 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

Ok I guess I understand it a little better, thanks for posting. As a staunch feminist I take issue with the idea that feminists are fat man hating lesbians, and I'm sure there are those but it's certainly not representative of what feminism actually is at the heart of it. I've seen the video game trope vid that is talked about back when it first came out and I do have to admit that I agree with a lot of what she said in it. That doesn't mean that I'm for regulating the industry to be more female friendly or anything, but I did agree with her basic premise.

It seems to be that GG is about the tensions of progressives - what some would call sjw's - and "regular folk" and that video games just happen to be one of the battlegrounds in which it manifests? Does that seem like a fair description?

I think the video game aspect of it lends people (myself included) to not take it seriously, and the socially akward and crude ways the anti-sjw side can come off sometimes doesn't help their case much. It is interesting to hear what that guy had to say though, and given the hyper progressive makeup of this board (although I hazard to guess some of it isn't genuine but people just looking to argue) it's surprising to see this thread even on here.


Or I could be 100% off on what I gathered from that vid, and if so steer me back on track.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Ok I guess I understand it a little better, thanks for posting. As a staunch feminist I take issue with the idea that feminists are fat man hating lesbians, and I'm sure there are those but it's certainly not representative of what feminism actually is at the heart of it. I've seen the video game trope vid that is talked about back when it first came out and I do have to admit that I agree with a lot of what she said in it. That doesn't mean that I'm for regulating the industry to be more female friendly or anything, but I did agree with her basic premise.

It seems to be that GG is about the tensions of progressives - what some would call sjw's - and "regular folk" and that video games just happen to be one of the battlegrounds in which it manifests? Does that seem like a fair description?

I think the video game aspect of it lends people (myself included) to not take it seriously, and the socially akward and crude ways the anti-sjw side can come off sometimes doesn't help their case much. It is interesting to hear what that guy had to say though, and given the hyper progressive makeup of this board (although I hazard to guess some of it isn't genuine but people just looking to argue) it's surprising to see this thread even on here.


Or I could be 100% off on what I gathered from that vid, and if so steer me back on track.

This is the gist of it.

People complained about the complete lack of journalistic ethics in the gaming industry, which is a very legitimate complaint.

The gaming media outlets, knew they were in the shit, so then tossed out a red herring about gamers being misogynist. SJWs picked up this nonsensical narrative and ran with it.

Obviously, gamers took offense at being called evil misogynist, thus they fought back against the media and the SJWs outlandish claims, and it became a huge mud slinging contest.

End result, the red herring from the gaming media was a huge success!

 

[stlc8tr]

Or I could be 100% off on what I gathered from that vid, and if so steer me back on track.

"Milo Yiannopoulos (conservative pundit, Breitbart journalist)"

 

[UglyCasanova]

"Milo Yiannopoulos (conservative pundit, Breitbart journalist)"

That was him, yes

 

[mysticjbyrd]

You should watch the rest of that interview, Milo is a little nuts.

 

[Blue_Max]

You should watch the rest of that interview, Milo is a little nuts.

In what way?

 

[MagickMan]

Ok I guess I understand it a little better, thanks for posting. As a staunch feminist...

That's where I stopped reading. 3rd wave (aka. "intersectional") feminism is cancer.

 

[BoberFett]

That's where I stopped reading. 3rd wave (aka. "intersectional") feminism is cancer.

Then you missed the best part.

I do have to admit that I agree with a lot of what she said in it. That doesn't mean that I'm for regulating the industry to be more female friendly or anything, but I did agree with her basic premise.

He agrees with falsehoods and deceptions, since her videos have been thoroughly debunked. Every time she complains about how video games are violence simulators aimed at women, even though the exact same thing is happening to male characters at 100x the rate. So, basically a typical modern feminist. Ignore facts. Listen and believe.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Then you missed the best part.



He agrees with falsehoods and deceptions, since her videos have been thoroughly debunked. Every time she complains about how video games are violence simulators aimed at women, even though the exact same thing is happening to male characters at 100x the rate. So, basically a typical modern feminist. Ignore facts. Listen and believe.

I don't remember any sort of violence against women narrative in it..? It's been a long time since I watched it and only saw it once so I may be way off here, but I thought it had to do with the sexualization and perceived frailty of female characters in games, how they always needed to be rescued, etc.

 

[werepossum]

I don't remember any sort of violence against women narrative in it..? It's been a long time since I watched it and only saw it once so I may be way off here, but I thought it had to do with the sexualization and perceived frailty of female characters in games, how they always needed to be rescued, etc.

Not in the games I play. My grandson actually asked why so many of the bad guys are girls. He finds that disturbing, and not being a true feminist, I'm glad he finds it so.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Not in the games I play. My grandson actually asked why so many of the bad guys are girls. He finds that disturbing, and not being a true feminist, I'm glad he finds it so.

I'm not disagreeing with you, and my post is based off an old memory of a video I saw one time (and I should also mention it's been several years since I've played a video game). From my own experiences gaming years ago it did seem to be the female characters were overly sexualized or victimized, but maybe things have changed or my library of games weren't a good sample.

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other since I don't really care, really I was just trying to see what the hell this long thread was about.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Then you missed the best part.



He agrees with falsehoods and deceptions, since her videos have been thoroughly debunked. Every time she complains about how video games are violence simulators aimed at women, even though the exact same thing is happening to male characters at 100x the rate. So, basically a typical modern feminist. Ignore facts. Listen and believe.

You can't win against these d-bags. We don't put females in games = Games are sexist, We put them in = We are sexualizing them, promoting violence against women, blah blah blah.

Not in the games I play. My grandson actually asked why so many of the bad guys are girls. He finds that disturbing, and not being a true feminist, I'm glad he finds it so.

I'm sure your grandson would probably also ask why the good guys are beautifully white in the LOTR movies while the baddies are black ugly people.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

On one side you have people shouting about those annoying feminists or SJWs or whatever who are apparently all fat and ugly smelly cat ladies with died hair who are raging lesbians.

On the other side you have people shouting about those disgusting MRAs or gators or whatever who are apparently all neck beard creeper virgin losers with small penises who live in their parent's basement and will die alone.

These stereotyping slurs are really not that useful and probably not even that accurate most of the time...

Except, aside from Milo's crazy ass, no one fits the description of description of the first group. There are plenty of people from the second group trying to use sexist slurs to censor opinions people they believe, without evidence, to be sexists though.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

This is an example of evil misogyny in the west, according to 3rd wave feminists. This is part of the things people are sick of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=690n8NpkYEE

Note, other characters share this pose!

 

[UglyCasanova]

Except, aside from Milo's crazy ass, no one fits the description of description of the first group. There are plenty of people from the second group trying to use sexist slurs to censor opinions people they believe, without evidence, to be sexists though.

Crap I'm being drug into this thread....

Did I read that right though? Are you saying there is no one complaining about feminists? Or that there are no fat ugly died hair raging lesbian feminists?