(gamegpu.ru) assassins-creed-syndicate-test

[96Firebird]

It amazes me how many people do not understand how shadows actually look in real life.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Look at the picture. Pretty clear there is just one light source.

So what ? Do you have an idea where the light is bouncing off from in the image ? Give up, no amount of examples from real life life will prove that your case is correct ...

Not when the sun is the only light source:

http://sciencequestionswithsurprisi...-does-diffraction-make-a-trees-shadow-blurry/

Yes we know that shadows will get softer with larger distance between projection and the object however PCSS is NOT CORRECT, period! This is not arguable no matter how much you object. Image space methods like PCSS are limited with the information they can work with but in addition to that PCSS has robustness and quality issues too ...

What do you compare here? PCSS is a technique to mimic the realistic behaviour of shadows. It is a concept. Not the only way in this world.

But great to see that you dont need any proof for you claims. :thumbsup:

It's not anywhere near realistic. In fact when it comes to accuracy, regular shadow mapping is just as accurate when been compared to a reference path traced image in a mid complex scene along with PCSS. It's a concept alright, a failed one at that if I had to say. It's sooo bad that the effect is comparable to screen space motion blur that games use or maybe even worse!

 

[Techhog]

It amazes me how many people do not understand how shadows actually look in real life.

Yeah. How could Nvidia be so clueless!?

 

[96Firebird]

Educate yourself.

 

[raghu78]

This game defines what Gameworks is all about. Crap performance and totally detrimental to PC gamers regardless of which GPU brand you own. nVIDIA really screwed this one up badly. SLI scaling sucks and Fury X CF tramples 980 Ti SLI at all resolutions and settings where the performance is playable. Wow epic failure given that its a Gameworks title. And people keep saying AMD has no game ready drivers. The performance at UQ with AA is plain retarded given the almost non existent or minimal IQ gain. The performance of 980 Ti and 980 Ti SLI is laughable at 1440p with UQ and AA. 980 Ti is a 1440p beast and its crawling at 32 fps and 980 Ti SLI at 37 fps. lmao. I pity those guys who actually buy this trash game and see their 980 Ti SLI struggle at sub 40 fps. Ubisoft is one of the worst publishers in the game industry and their game launches in the last 12-18 months have been going from bad to worse.

 

[Rvenger]

Educate yourself.

Drop it, now.


The other members turning this into a Gameworks bashing session will have infractions in no time if it keeps up. This is not a thread to bash gameworks, you know very well how they end up.


-Rvenger

 

[3DVagabond]

I know YOU wouldn't support a company that is detrimental to your PREFERRED company's livelihood. But others seem to not care.

Getting their hands in the game involvement is just another means to promote their products. It's all tied to marketing and brand recognition.



Sure, but it isn't making them money. They go full-ham pioneering new things and come out broke.

I don't care if nVidia makes more money. Why do you? It makes zero difference to me. I do care if they stick their paws into games though and make them run like crap.

 

[railven]

I don't care if nVidia makes more money. Why do you? It makes zero difference to me. I do care if they stick their paws into games though and make them run like crap.

You do realize the two are tied together? AMD is floundering. They are getting crushed on AAA titles BECAUSE NV is getting their paws onto them. A lot of people seem to like Battlefront, a game AMD got their paws on.

Now imagine if AMD did that for more titles. All of a sudden AMD isn't getting rekt'd day 1 on huge blockbuster titles.

They might actually make more money! Imagine that.

 

[3DVagabond]

You do realize the two are tied together? AMD is floundering. They are getting crushed on AAA titles BECAUSE NV is getting their paws onto them. A lot of people seem to like Battlefront, a game AMD got their paws on.

Now imagine if AMD did that for more titles. All of a sudden AMD isn't getting rekt'd day 1 on huge blockbuster titles.

They might actually make more money! Imagine that.

You are missing, or obscuring, the entire point. We are the ones affected just as much as AMD. We get to buy lousy performing games. I'll ask you again, Why do you care how much money either of them make? Why don't you care that nVidia gets involved and ruins the performance of games? Why do you consider that a good thing? How does that benefit you?

 

[railven]

You are missing, or obscuring, the entire point. We are the ones affected just as much as AMD.

Here, I'm simplify it for you. Money is finite. One company making more means the other makes less. Now, think of how money would affect resources.

We get to buy lousy performing games. I'll ask you again, Why do you care how much money either of them make? Why don't you care that nVidia gets involved and ruins the performance of games? Why do you consider that a good thing? How does that benefit you?

Are you dense? If AMD was healthier, they would most likely get their hands into more games (did you forget that recent push of AMD Gaming Evolved titles a few years back?) AMD's overall health affects me because as you said, NV's involvement is detrimental for games.

Now I'm sure you'll ask me why I bought an Nvidia card. I tell you it wasn't because of how Nvidia runs GameWorks, but more so because AMD decided to charge the same price as a card that is overall FASTER in the games I do play (which majority don't even have GameWorks).

TL;DR:
If AMD made more money, we might not see as many GameWorks titles, and probably a more balanced gaming field. Instead, AMD is getting it's teeth kicked in and basically allowing NV to go unchecked in their gamedev relations.

Infraction issued for personal attack.
-- stahlhart

 

[3DVagabond]

Here, I'm simplify it for you. Money is finite. One company making more means the other makes less. Now, think of how money would affect resources.



Are you dense? If AMD was healthier, they would most likely get their hands into more games (did you forget that recent push of AMD Gaming Evolved titles a few years back?) AMD's overall health affects me because as you said, NV's involvement is detrimental for games.

Now I'm sure you'll ask me why I bought an Nvidia card. I tell you it wasn't because of how Nvidia runs GameWorks, but more so because AMD decided to charge the same price as a card that is overall FASTER in the games I do play (which majority don't even have GameWorks).

TL;DR:
If AMD made more money, we might not see as many GameWorks titles, and probably a more balanced gaming field. Instead, AMD is getting it's teeth kicked in and basically allowing NV to go unchecked in their gamedev relations.

I'm far from dense. Stop with the personal attacks. Since it's the person arguing for AMD that gets banned around here I'll put you on ignore instead. Fair well!

 

[desprado]

I'm far from dense. Stop with the personal attacks. Since it's the person arguing for AMD that gets banned around here I'll put you on ignore instead. Fair well!

Totally wrong. Most of the user who Argue for AMD here are trolling and Personal insulting others. They never post any source or proof to back their claim. Some members here pretended that they know better than AMD and claim that more than 80% DGPU are some what fools.

Infraction issued for responding to trolls.
-- stahlhart

 

[littleg]

Here, I'm simplify it for you. Money is finite. One company making more means the other makes less. Now, think of how money would affect resources.



Are you dense? If AMD was healthier, they would most likely get their hands into more games (did you forget that recent push of AMD Gaming Evolved titles a few years back?) AMD's overall health affects me because as you said, NV's involvement is detrimental for games.

Now I'm sure you'll ask me why I bought an Nvidia card. I tell you it wasn't because of how Nvidia runs GameWorks, but more so because AMD decided to charge the same price as a card that is overall FASTER in the games I do play (which majority don't even have GameWorks).

TL;DR:
If AMD made more money, we might not see as many GameWorks titles, and probably a more balanced gaming field. Instead, AMD is getting it's teeth kicked in and basically allowing NV to go unchecked in their gamedev relations.

AMD getting into those shenanigans and gimping NV cards in their sponsored games is the worst thing that can happen.

Fine, AMD might make some more money but guess what, I don't own AMD. I'm not a stockholder of AMD. Not one red cent of that will benefit me in any way.

All that would mean is that another set of gamers get screwed on performance for the hardware they've paid for.

What would be sunshine and rainbows is if we could have well made, competently coded and optimised games that were brand agnostic and ran well on all hardware no matter the vendor.

Sure we'll get that right after we've found the unicorn and all those flying pigs.

 

[Erenhardt]

AMD getting into those shenanigans and gimping NV cards in their sponsored games is the worst thing that can happen.

Fine, AMD might make some more money but guess what, I don't own AMD. I'm not a stockholder of AMD. Not one red cent of that will benefit me in any way.

All that would mean is that another set of gamers get screwed on performance for the hardware they've paid for.

What would be sunshine and rainbows is if we could have well made, competently coded and optimised games that were brand agnostic and ran well on all hardware no matter the vendor.

Sure we'll get that right after we've found the unicorn and all those flying pigs.

AMD Gaming Evolved games are very well optimized and run good on all hardware, contrary to nvidia, where for example borderlands run 2 times faster on the competing nvidia parts, compared to amd equivalents.

So what people (like you for example) do? They want all games to run smoothly. AMD games work good no matter what you have, and nv games work good if you have the latest nv gpu. So the logial choice is to buy nv gpu to now suffer in nv games.

So you actually support company that screws gamers, and say you are against the other company to screw with you? Where is the logical sense here?

Screwing the owners of opposite brand helped nvidia sell more cards. Why shouldn't a money starved company like amd that is a direct competitor use the same tactic? Because a lot of gamers could suffer? Did you gave a damn about rest of the gaming community when you decided to go with nvidia card to not suffer in nv titles?

In perfect world there should be no game dev - manufacturer relations.
And if we can't have that, they both should play dirty to keep the healthy competitive market environment.

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD getting into those shenanigans and gimping NV cards in their sponsored games is the worst thing that can happen.

Fine, AMD might make some more money but guess what, I don't own AMD. I'm not a stockholder of AMD. Not one red cent of that will benefit me in any way.

All that would mean is that another set of gamers get screwed on performance for the hardware they've paid for.

What would be sunshine and rainbows is if we could have well made, competently coded and optimised games that were brand agnostic and ran well on all hardware no matter the vendor.

Sure we'll get that right after we've found the unicorn and all those flying pigs.

You'll find most GE titles run well on both brands. It's just nVidia that pulls this nonsense.

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD Gaming Evolved games are very well optimized and run good on all hardware, contrary to nvidia, where for example borderlands run 2 times faster on the competing nvidia parts, compared to amd equivalents.

So what people (like you for example) do? They want all games to run smoothly. AMD games work good no matter what you have, and nv games work good if you have the latest nv gpu. So the logial choice is to buy nv gpu to now suffer in nv games.

So you actually support company that screws gamers, and say you are against the other company to screw with you? Where is the logical sense here?

Screwing the owners of opposite brand helped nvidia sell more cards. Why shouldn't a money starved company like amd that is a direct competitor use the same tactic? Because a lot of gamers could suffer? Did you gave a damn about rest of the gaming community when you decided to go with nvidia card to not suffer in nv titles?

In perfect world there should be no game dev - manufacturer relations.
And if we can't have that, they both should play dirty to keep the healthy competitive market environment.

Most of the games get patched. It's done just for the early release benchmarks. If people wouldn't buy them until they were fixed the game producers would stop it because it would cost them money. Fanboys who care more about their favorite IHV than the gaming community are all that prevent it.

 

[littleg]

AMD Gaming Evolved games are very well optimized and run good on all hardware, contrary to nvidia, where for example borderlands run 2 times faster on the competing nvidia parts, compared to amd equivalents.

So what people (like you for example) do? They want all games to run smoothly. AMD games work good no matter what you have, and nv games work good if you have the latest nv gpu. So the logial choice is to buy nv gpu to now suffer in nv games.

So you actually support company that screws gamers, and say you are against the other company to screw with you? Where is the logical sense here?

Screwing the owners of opposite brand helped nvidia sell more cards. Why shouldn't a money starved company like amd that is a direct competitor use the same tactic? Because a lot of gamers could suffer? Did you gave a damn about rest of the gaming community when you decided to go with nvidia card to not suffer in nv titles?

In perfect world there should be no game dev - manufacturer relations.
And if we can't have that, they both should play dirty to keep the healthy competitive market environment.

Didn't your mother ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

You seem to have misunderstood my position on this issue anyway. I'm advocating against these Gameworks tricks because I think they are bad for gamers as a whole.

Take off your 'team' glasses and ask yourself who benefits from it. You? Me? Hell no, we get worse performance and crappy games. The money men benefit at our expense and that's why I don't want to see AMD take this route and why I want to see Nvidia abandon this route.

 

[sontin]

People will always blame nVidia for AMD problems. How is nVidia responsible that AMD doesnt care about their own customer? This is just beyond me.

AMD doesnt release a driver for Fallout 4 for over a week? Oh, it must be nVidia. AMD doesnt care about Anno2205? Oh, nVidia is responsible.

Maybe people should start to demand more from AMD instead of blaming nVidia for providing their own customer a better gaming experience. Maybe they should demand them to build better hardware, to invest more into drivers, to support more developers.

But blaiming the one company who cares about PC gaming that a console hardware provider ignores their own user base is just wrong.

 

[littleg]

Nobody cares about yappy little fanboys either.

 

[sontin]

Yeah, thats the reason why i dont really care about discussions anymore.

 

[Leadbox]

But blaiming the one company who cares about PC gaming that a console hardware provider ignores their own user base is just wrong.

Yeah they care so much that every game they get their green mitts on is broken for just about everyone on pc :thumbsdown:

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeah they care so much that every game they get their green mitts on is broken for just about everyone on pc :thumbsdown:

You blame the wrong company.

 

[Erenhardt]

You seem to have misunderstood my position on this issue anyway. I'm advocating against these Gameworks tricks because I think they are bad for gamers as a whole.

I'm sorry then. From the post I quoted it wasn't that obvious.
I really hope people will start voting with their wallets. Looking at nv marketshare and the number of pre-orders it is not happening yet.