Phynaz
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Ahahaha...No.
Dual core Pentiums are faster than Quad core Kaveri. Therefore the Kaveri can't have the same single thread performance. For evidence see the link I posted earlier.
Ahahaha...No.
Dual core Pentiums are faster than Quad core Kaveri. Therefore the Kaveri can't have the same single thread performance. For evidence see the link I posted earlier.
Did you bother Googling what I posted? It's a famous line from an American movie.
Perhaps you should consider sticking to Polish speaking websites to eliminate language as a barrier to communication, just as I stick to English speaking websites.
Assuming that by "banner", you meant "banned" of course. If you actually meant "banner", I don't think my posts are particularly sticky worthy, as I'm just some random guy on the internet.
That's a bit harsh. I don't if you speak any foreign language but if you did you would know how hard it is to get close to the near native speaker's command of the language. Don't discourage people from trying to communicate in their non-native language just because of some failure to elucidate their thoughts clearly or some language comprehension errors. It does happen even if you stick to your mother's tongue, if anything you should praise him for the effort.
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Gikaseixas
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Did you bother Googling what I posted? It's a famous line from an American movie.
Perhaps you should consider sticking to Polish speaking websites to eliminate language as a barrier to communication, just as I stick to English speaking websites.
Assuming that by "banner", you meant "banned" of course. If you actually meant "banner", I don't think my posts are particularly sticky worthy, as I'm just some random guy on the internet.
Was this necessary? If you don't have a technical counterpoint keep it to yourself, why resort to a personal attack? Such a low blow wow
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Phynaz
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I feel I responded appropriately to somebody that thinks I should be banned because they don't like what I post. Basically I gave what I received.
Neither of you went down the personally attack route so therefore you also receive an appropriate reply, which will be more civil.
Although Gikaseixas, please take time to notice the the initial post by Erenhardt has no technical content, it's just him ranting because he doesn't like it when I post the truth.
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OP Updated with Rainbow Six Siege on 12-27-2015
http://gamegpu.ru/videoobzory/rainbow-six-siege-video-obzor-apu.html
http://gamegpu.ru/videoobzory/rainbow-six-siege-video-obzor-apu.html
When i get my G1820 and 1gb GT 740 GDDR5,i wouldn't mind benching my numbers against those of the 7850k and 7870k in a god to honest benchmark.Only games i own that offer benchmarks built in are GTA V and Hard Reset.
Chips like the 5400k and 7600 honestly appear to be some of the best budget minded APU chips and as someone who nearly built a new rig around one i would take one over anything Intel for budget gaming.
My issue are prices on the 7850k and 7870k and their possible prospective performance given you can order a G1820 and a GT 740 1gb for less then what a 7850k goes for let alone a 7870k.Pair the G1820 with a single 4gb ddr3 1333 stick and it becomes even cheaper.
Will benchmark GTA V on all lowest possible settings at 1024x768 and Hard reset maxed at the same resolution but without AA.Then will do both game benchmarks at 1280x800 with GTA V on all low yet again then Hard Rest of course maxed out but without AA.
Anyone with a 7850k or 7870k who wants to toss in their results please do so.I will go as far as show MSI AB and OSD readings with screenshots as well.
Chips like the 5400k and 7600 honestly appear to be some of the best budget minded APU chips and as someone who nearly built a new rig around one i would take one over anything Intel for budget gaming.
My issue are prices on the 7850k and 7870k and their possible prospective performance given you can order a G1820 and a GT 740 1gb for less then what a 7850k goes for let alone a 7870k.Pair the G1820 with a single 4gb ddr3 1333 stick and it becomes even cheaper.
Will benchmark GTA V on all lowest possible settings at 1024x768 and Hard reset maxed at the same resolution but without AA.Then will do both game benchmarks at 1280x800 with GTA V on all low yet again then Hard Rest of course maxed out but without AA.
Anyone with a 7850k or 7870k who wants to toss in their results please do so.
I will go as far as show MSI AB and OSD readings with screenshots as well.
ShintaiDK
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And we are still to assume they use a year old Intel driver and who knows what else config.
For some reasons most reviewer don't care for Intel drivers, usually they don't us up to date drivers. In many cases there isn't even a config listed with the Intel drivers they used.
A totally wrong blanket statement.
Passmark Single Threaded Scores (respectively):
Intel Pentium 3220T / Haswell 1150 = 1434
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G3220T+%40+2.60GHz&id=2189
Kaveri A10 7850K / Quad Core FM2+ = 1567
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-7850K+APU&id=2133
You know Intel makes more than one Haswell Pentium and AMD makes more than one Kaveri, right? Clearly not.
There are quite a few Kaveri chips that outperform several Haswell Celeron and Pentium chips in single threaded performance.
Kaveri does needs a little extra clock speed to do it, but your statement is factually incorrect.
My overclocked 860K will thrash pretty much anything short of an i3 in single threaded performance. Obviously,
My 4790K kills it, the AMD is not even remotely close -- but considering my i7 was 3 times the cost, the little 860K
is a very solid chip.
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ShintaiDK
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Why do you use a T version of the Pentium? Also Passmark is terrible because they take OCed results.
The G3220T is based on 22 samples, the 7850K on 662.
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G3220+@+3.00GHz&id=2020
The real G3220. 794 samples, 1744 Singlethreaded.
G1820:
https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+G1820+@+2.70GHz&id=2129
1587 Singlethreaded.
It needs AMDs best FM2+ CPU to compete with the slowest regular Haswell Celeron.
You really made your case for AMD so much better....
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LOL. Criticizes the use of Passmark.
Then quotes directly from Passmark. Shintai is always good for a laugh.
Just pointing out that his blanket statements are wrong. There are multiple Kaveri chips (860K, multiple A10's) that outperform the entry level Haswell chips in single threaded performance. That's the bottom line.
ShintaiDK
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A G1820 beats a 7850K in ST Passmark. And that's with all the OCed 7850K results in.
So no, they do not outperform an entry Haswell chip.
TheELF
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Why don't you prove it?
Choose anything a normal user would run,run it on your overclocked x4 860 using affinity to run it on one core only and give us the youtube link of the video.
I noticed you didn't post the numbers, probably because you're embarrassed.
1587 versus 1567. That would be considered a statistical tie because the margin is about 1%.
BTW, my 860K posts 1832 in Passmark single threaded -- find a Haswell Celeron that is faster (my bad, it's impossible since they are all locked chips).
PS, I have 2 additional cores that are all faster than respective Haswell Celeron to rub salt in the wounds..... Unlocked chips are fun.
Plus the motherboard was free from Micro Center with the bundle.
So how exactly would the Celeron have been a better purchase in any possible way? Crickets......
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My Athlon X4 860K is running at 4.5 Ghz with a Hyper 212 Cooler. I've never met an owner of a Black Edition AMD chip that was running at stock clock. That is kinda the point of buying a Black Edition.
Obviously, my 4790K liquid cooled to 4.7 Ghz will stomp it -- but that system build cost considerably more.
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That is beyond dumb. What a waste of time. When I bought a quad core -- it was to run 4 cores. If I only wanted to run 1 or 2 cores, I would fire up the G3258 (which I use
for older games).
I'm not going to install a bunch of crapware into my windows registry to appease people who can't even read graphs. If you don't want to believe me, I really could care less.
Keep sticking your head in the sand and buy whatever you'd like. I am just pointing out that I run Radeons and GeForces..... Intel, Via and AMD chips..... and this is what
I have seen so far.
I probably should also point out that in my experience AMD chips seem to perform better with Nvidia video cards, so if you've seen comparisons of other chips
versus the 860K with a Radeon..... Take the results with a grain of salt. The 860K just seems to play nicer with a GeForce.
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TheELF
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Beyond dumb is the fact that you talk about single core performance,only link to passmark and are too afraid to run a real software to prove it.
You don't need to,you only have to know how to multitask with windows.
If you want people to believe you all you have to do is prove it and I have shown you how to do that.
Every chip performs better with nvidia but that is an other conversation.
Why is it wrong? You didn't prove anything. He said Kaveri can't have the same single thread performance which you can't disconfirm with just one benchmark, even less when it's a synthetic benchmark.
Actually, I posted a single threaded benchmark that indeed proved he was wrong.
But even larger, I proved a lot more -- that indeed there is so much ridiculous bias on this forum that when someone uses a benchmark that shows Intel is tied or in some cases slower.... Boom, it's a conspiracy.... or instantly discounted.... or oh that doesn't really count because it's synthetic.
Sure. Whatev. Carry on. Just like there is no such thing as climate change. Funny, my thermometer says 86 degrees F in December.
TheELF
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Do you have a link where the passmark score is explained?
For other benchmarks it is known if it is integer floating or both,what does passmark even measure?
Re-read post #84, dude. Scores posted -- Respective Haswell Pentium scores lower than the Kaveri in single threaded benchmark according to Passmark. Don't know how you could be any more dense. If Phynaz's earlier comment
was actually true, what I linked would be impossible.
There are a range of chips available from both companies -- even when a Kaveri merely ties a Haswell Celeron in single threaded @ stock clocks (which they do).... There are quite a few unlocked Kaveri's available
which can be pushed well beyond Celeron single threaded performance. The only Pentium that can keep up with the unlocked Kaveri's in single threaded performance is the unlocked G3258 (which I also own).
Personal attacks are not allowed.
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