[gamegpu.ru] APU gaming including Skylake GT2 and Broadwell Iris Pro 6200

[AtenRa]

So again, you know its flawed, yet you keep posting.

The only thing we dont really know is the driver, that doesnt make it flawed.

edit: Just to let you know the 4080 driver mentioned on the review is incompatible with the Skylake iGPUs.
HD530 older driver is the 15.40.7.4279 from September 2015.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/pr...-530-for-6th-Generation-Intel-Core-Processors

So i highly doubt they used more than 2-3 months old drivers.

 

[mikk]

I wonder why he don't start new threads from other tests where the 6200 Iris Pro is usually superior to AMD offerings.

 

[AtenRa]

I wonder why he don't start new threads from other tests where the 6200 Iris Pro is usually superior to AMD offerings.

Because gamegpu.ru updates its APU tests with every new game review and they dont use 720p low settings to make the Intel iGPU look better than it is.

We can clearly see how big of a performance hit the Intel iGPUs get once we raise the Image Quality settings on the gamegpu.ru. Something that cannot be observed on the other reviews.

And just to clarify, im not talking about unplayable sub 20-30 fps. The games in the OP are easily playable at 1080p Low or even with Medium settings and there lies the problem with the Intel iGPUs. They may have high performance at lower resolutions (720p) and low Image Quality settings but once you raise both, the performance hit they get is massive.

So, im sorry some people here dont like the results but those are what you are going to get with the Intel iGPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

I'm really sorry if you don't like these results AtenRa (1080p). Keep the crippled Intel tests coming if that makes you feel better about AMD losing the iGPU crown.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I wonder why he don't start new threads from other tests where the 6200 Iris Pro is usually superior to AMD offerings.

The AMD sales pitch would be lost

 

[AtenRa]

.......

1. AMD Catalyst Software Suite 15.5 Beta;

2. In games that support Mantle (BF4 and Thief) they only used DX-11

but, lets assume the Intel IRIS Pro 6200 is faster than the AMD A10-7870K, in many games it is faster at playable settings but it also 2-3 times more expensive.
How about the Skylake GT2 that is on the same price as the AMD APU ?? That iGPU is still way slower even than the 45W Kaveri A8-7600 that is currently at sub $90.

 

[ShintaiDK]

1. AMD Catalyst Software Suite 15.5 Beta;

Oh so now an older driver is a problem when its AMD being behind. What a turnaround and yet a display of the double standards you got.

And Mantle not used, oh no!

 

[frozentundra123456]

1. AMD Catalyst Software Suite 15.5 Beta;

2. In games that support Mantle (BF4 and Thief) they only used DX-11

but, lets assume the Intel IRIS Pro 6200 is faster than the AMD A10-7870K, in many games it is faster at playable settings but it also 2-3 times more expensive.
How about the Skylake GT2 that is on the same price as the AMD APU ?? That iGPU is still way slower even than the 45W Kaveri A8-7600 that is currently at sub $90.

Or how about the fact that an athlon x4 plus dgpu is faster, *by a lot* than any of the integrated solutions, for at most 50.00 more, and close to the same price if you watch for one of the frequent sales on something like the 250x?

Yes, intel is more expensive, but OTOH you have a much more powerful cpu if you decide to upgrade to a powerful dgpu later. But really, gaming on any apu is a very niche application, and only makes sense in a SFF build.

 

[AtenRa]

Oh so now an older driver is a problem when its AMD being behind. What a turnaround and yet a display of the double standards you got.

And Mantle not used, oh no!

I told you above that the drive they used for the Intel Skylake is not that old. The oldest one is from September 2015.

Catalyst 15.5Beta is from May 2015.

And yes nobody benchmark games with Mantle, why ??

 

[mrmt]

Or how about the fact that an athlon x4 plus dgpu is faster, *by a lot* than any of the integrated solutions, for at most 50.00 more, and close to the same price if you watch for one of the frequent sales on something like the 250x?

Do you remember that talk about AMD resellers choking with APU inventory a few quarters ago? It seems that the problem wasn't solved and there's still plenty of inventory to burn. And with the write-down AMD had to swallow last quarter, no wonder we are seeing articles emphasizing how wonderful AMD APU's perf/$ is.

I think the Q415 CC, but especially the Q116 CC will be very interesting.

 

[Techhog]

ITT, fanboys call out OP for being a fanboy.

 

[Arachnotronic]

AtenRa has a point that Intel iGPUs seem to fall off in performance when you up the quality settings, but aren't you going to be playing at fairly low settings anyway on an iGPU?

If you want excellent 3D performance in AAA, integrated graphics simply won't do.

 

[Phynaz]

For just $82 the A8-7600 is the undisputed perf/$ champion of APUs.

For cherry-picked results, yes it is.

Want to put that A8-7600 up against Skylake in other applications, a broader range of results?

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1270?vs=1543

Nah, didn't think you would.

I eagerly await your first move of the goalposts.



Edit:
A8-7600 vs an almost two year old $50 Pentium.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1270?vs=1265

 

[Phynaz]

The AMD sales pitch would be lost

Business is slow, and Baby needs a new pair of shoes :biggrin:

 

[AtenRa]

For cherry-picked results, yes it is.

Want to put that A8-7600 up against Skylake in other applications, a broader range of results?

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1270?vs=1543

Nah, didn't think you would.

I eagerly await your first move of the goalposts.

You are talking about goalposts when you post a comparison of CPU performance for the Core i7 6700K that sells at $350-400+ against the currently sub $90 A8-7600 ??

You also missed the context of the thread, its about iGPU gaming in case you want to seriously take part in the conversation

 

[Arachnotronic]

You are talking about goalposts when you post a comparison of CPU performance for the Core i7 6700K that sells at $350-400+ against the currently sub $90 A8-7600 ??

You also missed the context of the thread, its about iGPU gaming in case you want to seriously take part in the conversation

What I find interesting is that even with such a big process lead relative to AMD, Intel's iGPU with GT3 is ahead but not as much as you would expect.

Even with the Gen 8 GPU it's clear that Intel's architecture is still far rougher around the edges than AMD's is. With Gen 9 things got a lot better, but I still think that there is a lot of room for Intel to make its architectures better for gaming applications. AMD has much more experience in designing robust, gaming-oriented gaming GPUs than Intel does and it still shows.

It will be interesting to see what Gen9.5 (Kabylake) and Gen10 (Cannonlake) bring to the table.

 

[Phynaz]

You are talking about goalposts when you post a comparison of CPU performance for the Core i7 6700K that sells at $350-400+ against the currently sub $90 A8-7600 ??

You also missed the context of the thread, its about iGPU gaming in case you want to seriously take part in the conversation

You set the comparison by listing the 6700K in your orginal post. Don't roll your eyes at me when you get called out on it.

So there's an attempt to move the goalposts - let's call it a .5 move, plus one move by narrowing it down to IGP gaming (in other-words "cherry picking").

Let me refresh your memory:

$82 the A8-7600 is the undisputed perf/$ champion of APUs

Now that I have proven that conclusion to be false what's your next move?

1.5 goalpost moves to go

Edit:
Couldn't help but notice you ignored the $50 Pentium. Doesn't fit your agenda I guess.

 

[bystander36]

What I find interesting is that even with such a big process lead relative to AMD, Intel's iGPU with GT3 is ahead but not as much as you would expect.

Even with the Gen 8 GPU it's clear that Intel's architecture is still far rougher around the edges than AMD's is. With Gen 9 things got a lot better, but I still think that there is a lot of room for Intel to make its architectures better for gaming applications. AMD has much more experience in designing robust, gaming-oriented gaming GPUs than Intel does and it still shows.

It will be interesting to see what Gen9.5 (Kabylake) and Gen10 (Cannonlake) bring to the table.

There are likely a lot of factors to talk about there. Did Intel make the GPU as large as they could have? Are Intel's drivers as efficient? And of course the architecture differences.

 

[AtenRa]

What I find interesting is that even with such a big process lead relative to AMD, Intel's iGPU with GT3 is ahead but not as much as you would expect.

Even with the Gen 8 GPU it's clear that Intel's architecture is still far rougher around the edges than AMD's is. With Gen 9 things got a lot better, but I still think that there is a lot of room for Intel to make its architectures better for gaming applications. AMD has much more experience in designing robust, gaming-oriented gaming GPUs than Intel does and it still shows.

It will be interesting to see what Gen9.5 (Kabylake) and Gen10 (Cannonlake) bring to the table.

Well if you put the R7 250 1GB GDDR5 against the IRIS PRO 6200 they will have comparable performance. The R7 250 is 90mm2 at 28nm including the dual channel memory controller against 80-90mm2 for the Iris pro 6200 (graphics die area alone) at 14nm.

It is clear that currently, Intel needs double the IC(double the die size at the same node) for the same performance against AMDs GPUs.

That is going to hurt them when AMD will have 14nm and HBM APU products in 2017. The only thing Intel will have to counter AMD 14nm products, at least for the mobile sector in 2017 is 10nm Cannon Lake. But again they will need to devote double the IC (bigger die area) for graphics and that will hurt their margins and yields on a new 10nm process.
But this time AMD will not be 2 nodes behind like today but only one.

So yes it will be very interesting to see how this will turn out and how much more Intel will get from new mArchitecture.

 

[bystander36]

Comparison is moot anyway, no one in their right mind will buy a 5775C and game on igp.

No one in their right mind buys a 5775C if they didn't also want the Iris Pro. Besides being used as a test platform for Iris Pro, the only real market for these CPU's are for those who want a fast CPU, and might occasional need an iGPU to game or accelerate some other app.

 

[AtenRa]

You set the comparison by listing the 6700K in your orginal post. Don't roll your eyes at me when you get called out on it.

So there's an attempt to move the goalposts - let's call it a .5 move, plus one move by narrowing it down to IGP gaming (in other-words "cherry picking").

Let me refresh your memory:


Now that I have proven that conclusion to be false what's your next move?

1.5 goalpost moves to go

I have only this to say to you because you are a grownup and can understand when you need to stop

Read Topic title and post #1 again

Do you see any CPU performance graphs or comments ??? no

Now with a clear mind, tell me the context of my A8-7600 comment which by the way is in the first post of this topic.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

The AMD sales pitch would be lost

I've personally never played a PC game in low quality settings in my life. If that's what your advocating, you've officially jumped the shark.
But looking at the benchmarks, the performance of Intel iGPU's does seem to collapse at medium quality or higher. Even a lowly single
module Trinity can run medium settings @ 720p for a large number of games.... and Trinity is an antique now.

 

[Phynaz]

I've personally never played a PC game in low quality settings in my life. If that's what your advocating, you've officially jumped the shark.

Your buddy up there advocates it all the time.

 

[Phynaz]

Do you see any CPU performance graphs or comments ??? no

There's the goalpost move.

So now it's "The best APU as long as you don't use it as a CPU". So ridiculous. You pull crap like this once a week. I can only assume this thread was created because you got beat in the Kabini thread.

 

[AtenRa]

There's the goalpost move.

So now it's "The best APU as long as you don't use it as a CPU". So ridiculous.

TOPIC title : [gamegpu.ru] APU gaming including Skylake GT2 and Broadwell Iris Pro 6200

They have uploaded two games so far, War Thunder and Dirt Rally. At 1080p on those two games, it seams that pushing image quality has a higher performance impact on Broadwell Iris Pro 6200 performance allowing Kaveri 65W TDP A8-7600 to close the gap.

For just $82 the A8-7600 is the undisputed perf/$ champion of APUs.

I will not say anything else......be free to believe what you want.