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[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Ha ha, i can`t belive you let that one slip. Do you want me to scan the magazines for you? lol.

My apologies. I thought it was obvious I meant web sites. Still waiting for those links, by the way.

Metroid Prime is a far more involving and intricate game than any fps can ever hope to be....etc etc etc.

This argument stems from you being scared of calling Metroid a FPS. If you recall, your original post called Metroid a RPG, which is complete and utter horsesh*t. The FPS genre is very broad and calling a game a first person shooter does not automatically exclude elements from other genres. Calling it a FPS is symantically and argumentatively correct.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "a few rpg elements." Such as?

Metroid prime has been designed in a way where its possible to trek through the whole game oblivious to the specifics of the story. You`ll still have an idea about it, but not all the info. Its also possible to get all the info from the game, and learn more about the connections between all of the species in the game. Its cos of that that it appeals to a wide range of gamers. Both the gamer looking for an enjoyable game, and those looking for a game thats deep and involving.

That is ultimately the problem. For many people playing the game, it's just solve the puzzle to get the key to move to the next room. If you want to see a game that appeals to a wide range of gamers, just see Grand Theft Auto.

Your contradicting yourself there. First you say Metroid Primes story is crap, and now you say it`d be crap without the story!?

I recommend re-reading my post. "The problem isn't with Metroid's story, per se. The issue lies in the presentation..." Never once did I call the story crap.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: yukichigai
I think Nintendo is lagging in the US because they're trying to use the same business model here that they use in Japan. In order to unlock a lot of the extra features in games on the GC and the GBA you have to connect them up with other consoles or other systems, usually meaning you have to play or otherwise interact with other people. Now in Japan games are probably more of a social thing, but I think in the US more gamers are loners than aren't. Zelda: Four Swords, Crystal Chronicles, etc. They all require you to interact, physically, with other people. In Japan getting together with a group of friends who own all the latest Nintendo gadgets probably isn't that hard. But here... well I don't even have 3 friends with GBAs, much less 3 with the same games as me.

Well put.
More so in europe. I know of no-where that has the F-ZeroAX machine in the UK. So how in the hell do i unlock the extra tracks/vechicles without breaking my controller?

I think the bottom line is that Nintendo really needs to start developing more stuff with the US consumer in mind,

As above. US & Europe. If they`re gonna bring out this triforce connectivity in games, then provide the triforce machines with which to do it.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

I think the bottom line is that Nintendo really needs to start developing more stuff with the US consumer in mind,

As above. US & Europe. If they`re gonna bring out this triforce connectivity in games, then provide the triforce machines with which to do it.

The arcade industry is virtually dead in the U.S.. The likelihood of finding a F-zero machine in your neighborhood mall isn't that great. I can't imagine this connectivity making much of a dent in console sales when the volume of arcade units is infinitesimally small.

Nintendo needs to quit marketing gadgets to consumers that don't want or need them.

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: yukichigai
I think Nintendo is lagging in the US because they're trying to use the same business model here that they use in Japan. In order to unlock a lot of the extra features in games on the GC and the GBA you have to connect them up with other consoles or other systems, usually meaning you have to play or otherwise interact with other people. Now in Japan games are probably more of a social thing, but I think in the US more gamers are loners than aren't. Zelda: Four Swords, Crystal Chronicles, etc. They all require you to interact, physically, with other people. In Japan getting together with a group of friends who own all the latest Nintendo gadgets probably isn't that hard. But here... well I don't even have 3 friends with GBAs, much less 3 with the same games as me.

Well put.
More so in europe. I know of no-where that has the F-ZeroAX machine in the UK. So how in the hell do i unlock the extra tracks/vechicles without breaking my controller?

I think the bottom line is that Nintendo really needs to start developing more stuff with the US consumer in mind,

As above. US & Europe. If they`re gonna bring out this triforce connectivity in games, then provide the triforce machines with which to do it.

You can unlock everything possible by beating the story chapters on hard and very hard modes. There are a few special car parts that were only available in Japan with a card that came with the Japanese version of the game.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Ha ha, i can`t belive you let that one slip. Do you want me to scan the magazines for you? lol.

My apologies. I thought it was obvious I meant web sites. Still waiting for those links, by the way.

I didnt say websites. I said magazines.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "a few rpg elements." Such as?

Rewards such as more exploration around Talon brought you upgrades to your character. In a multitude of ways. The nearest most fps get to this is to give you a whole new gun or something similar.

Your contradicting yourself there. First you say Metroid Primes story is crap, and now you say it`d be crap without the story!?

I recommend re-reading my post. "The problem isn't with Metroid's story, per se. The issue lies in the presentation..." Never once did I call the story crap.

You should re-read, or re-edit your posts so they are clearer.

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
RPGs tend to be heavily story driven - something that Metroid Prime is very weak in.

Example 1: You state MPs story is weak.

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Take out Metroid's plot and you have an elaborate game of "find the key to open the next door." The difference, thankfully, is that Retro put forth a damn good, polished game.

Example 2: You state that MP is a great game, and without the story it`d be rubbish.

Can you see the contradiction there?

 

[Vortex22]

Oh yeah, and there's an arcade with a couple F-zero machines about 2 minutes from my house. I've haven't actually played them though.

 

[BoomAM]

I know of no F-ZeroAX machines in my town, or in Manchester. Or Liverpool. Or Birmingham. Some of the biggest cities in the UK, have none, afaik.

 

[yukichigai]

Arcade gaming is by no means dead. Go to Vegas sometime. There are a number of businesses devoted entirely to arcade games.

Nintendo has no concept of a multi-cultural consumer base.

 

[TallBill]

i own a gamecube.. and dont own to many gamecube games... it could be a lot better.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
I didnt say websites. I said magazines.

Many magazines have sister sites that post news as well. You mean to tell me you can't find a link at IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot, etc?

Rewards such as more exploration around Talon brought you upgrades to your character. In a multitude of ways. The nearest most fps get to this is to give you a whole new gun or something similar.

I can agree with this, though many games have upgrades -cameras, lock picks, tazers, stronger/better armour, new guns, better jumping ability- just obviously not in the same vein as Metroid.

Example 1: You state MPs story is weak.
Example 2: You state that MP is a great game, and without the story it`d be rubbish.

Can you see the contradiction there?

Could that quote be any more out of context?

I was talking about how players might miss parts of the plot due to the presentation of story. Without the plot (THAT THE GAMER MIGHT HAVE MISSED), then you are left with a simple "find the key to unlock the next door" type game. In neither example did I say the story was good or bad.

Most RPGs are strong in story-driven plots. Metroid Prime is weak in this regard because the story is not instrumental in completing the game - hence not story driven. How about working on your reading comprehension before trying to post a rebuttle?

 

[yukichigai]

It could be a lot better, but they've had some games that make the console worth owning. Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Sunshine, Sonic Mega Collection, Super Smash, Double Dash... yeah. It isn't as many as the other consoles, but I'm still glad I bought my GC.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Arcade gaming is by no means dead. Go to Vegas sometime. There are a number of businesses devoted entirely to arcade games.

Nintendo has no concept of a multi-cultural consumer base.

And Vegas is by no means representative of the entire U.S. market. Quite a few companies have pulled out of the U.S. market in the past decade.

Interesting article (posted today, actually)

 

[BoomAM]

Dunno the website, but the mag was called Cube mag. I [/i]think[/i], may have been another.

 

[bleeb]

<---- It's a good thing I made the RIGHT DECISION and bought a NINTENDO GAMECUBE. THIS THING ROCKS!!

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Arcade gaming is by no means dead. Go to Vegas sometime. There are a number of businesses devoted entirely to arcade games.

Nintendo has no concept of a multi-cultural consumer base.

And Vegas is by no means representative of the entire U.S. market. Quite a few companies have pulled out of the U.S. market in the past decade.

Interesting article (posted today, actually)

Oh no, of course it isn't. Vegas is so unique it's almost a different country in itself. But I contend that places like Vegas -- in that they're devoted entirely to frivolity and fun (at the right price) -- will always have arcade gaming. What amusement park (except the Disney varieties) would be complete without arcade machines?

 

[Joker81]

xbox is the best since it is the most moddable for now anyways.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Arcade gaming is by no means dead. Go to Vegas sometime. There are a number of businesses devoted entirely to arcade games.

Nintendo has no concept of a multi-cultural consumer base.

And Vegas is by no means representative of the entire U.S. market. Quite a few companies have pulled out of the U.S. market in the past decade.

Interesting article (posted today, actually)

Oh no, of course it isn't. Vegas is so unique it's almost a different country in itself. But I contend that places like Vegas -- in that they're devoted entirely to frivolity and fun (at the right price) -- will always have arcade gaming. What amusement park (except the Disney varieties) would be complete without arcade machines?

I agree! Arcade machines are a necessity at any amusement park, but the mom&pop arcades are a dying breed. I can think of 2 arcades at close by malls that closed years ago. I spent a good few hundred bucks at these joints when I was a kid (RIP Aladdin's Castle and Nickelodeon)

Just a side note, but the arcades at a couple amusement parks in Ohio (Cedar Point and Six Flags) were pretty out of date by gamers standards last summer.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: Joker81
xbox is the best since it is the most moddable for now anyways.

Good reasoning that.
From a PC fanatics viewpoint, like most here, i`d agree with you. But for the majority of the population of the world, they have no idea about these mods.

Oh and bty, lets leave the xbox discussion at that. Its a GC thread, and we dont need a flame war.

 

[Lawrencetan21]

We need a console pole! NOW! WHo want to do it?

 

[Lawrencetan21]

I would but I'm terrified of the "repost nazi"

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: bleeb
<---- It's a good thing I made the RIGHT DECISION and bought a NINTENDO GAMECUBE. THIS THING ROCKS!!

What games?

 

[DivideBYZero]

I have 15 Gamecube games. I am a gaming whore.