Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[Ichinisan]

I think it would be a bit too convenient, bordering on lazy writing. In the small council meeting they mentioned that they just found out where the mountain was... he is a wanted criminal and hasn't be able to be found so I doubt they would name him as their champion.

Are you thinking of The Mountain's brother, The Hound? I don't recall The Mountain being wanted for anything.

Also does anyone think it's dumb how you can demand a "trial by combat" after your normal trial is basically over and you're about to lose?

Oh yes. I've had this very thought. Basically, everyone who would be sentenced to die could give both options a shot.

 

[Phoenix86]

Are you thinking of The Mountain's brother, The Hound? I don't recall The Mountain being wanted for anything.


Oh yes. I've had this very thought. Basically, everyone who would be sentenced to die could give both options a shot.

Robert condemned the Mountain in S1, Ned sent the leader of the Brothers w/o Banners.

 

[smackababy]

Robert condemned the Mountain in S1, Ned sent the leader of the Brothers w/o Banners.

Who was killed and later the Mountain was seen in the service of Tywin at Harrenhal. Tywin was also sent to come and answer for the crimes of his bannerman. But, I think the beheading of Ned kind of ended that, especially with Tywin as the serving Hand of the King.

 

[techs]

Are you thinking of The Mountain's brother, The Hound? I don't recall The Mountain being wanted for anything.


Oh yes. I've had this very thought. Basically, everyone who would be sentenced to die could give both options a shot.

Yes, I was sure it couldn't be done. I found it highly unusual that people were posting about a trial by combat way before this episode. I went back and looked and it turned out a certain book reader started talking about it, and suggested that Jaime would(?) be chosen as Tyrions champion almost immediately after Tyrion was arrested.

Sigh, another spoiler, err, "speculation" by a book reader that "happened" to come true.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think a trial by combat is "letting the gods decide". Which is why the request is always granted.

But if you've already lost the trial and you're doomed to be condemned, why would anyone agree to risk his life to fight you to the death? What if NO ONE accepts the challenge?

 

[jdobratz]

Sigh, another spoiler, err, "speculation" by a book reader that "happened" to come true.

Or, maybe other people are just better at following the show's multiple storylines and subtleties/nuance. Your constant decrying of every tidbit as a spoiler is incredibly annoying.

 

[smackababy]

But if you've already lost the trial and you're doomed to be condemned, why would anyone agree to risk his life to fight you to the death? What if NO ONE accepts the challenge?

You can choose yourself to fight. However, in Tyrion's case that is always a bad idea because he is a dwarf who can't fight. The Hound chose trial by combat and represented himself in this "trial".

And the trial wasn't over in Tyrion's case here. Seeing that the trial was rigged to damn him regardless of innocence, he determined his most likely way out of it was having someone represent him in a trial by combat.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yeah, it served to show just how far gone he was, but remember what he said when she showed up "I won't let him trick me". He thought the whole rescue was one of Ramsey's games, like his original "rescue" when he was first captured. Likewise in the bathing scene he was hesitant to take his pants off, showing he still had some small bit of pride left.

I think Ramsey's plan to have him "playact" as Theon is going to backfire as he rediscovers his identity while doing so.

I didn't read it that way. I saw it as hesitation because he couldn't know if this reward was yet another cruel trick.

 

[techs]

Or, maybe other people are just better at following the show's multiple storylines and subtleties/nuance. Your constant decrying of every tidbit as a spoiler is incredibly annoying.

Ha. Pretty funny. And wrong. Lurker.

 

[Phoenix86]

Who was killed and later the Mountain was seen in the service of Tywin at Harrenhal. Tywin was also sent to come and answer for the crimes of his bannerman. But, I think the beheading of Ned kind of ended that, especially with Tywin as the serving Hand of the King.

Yep, and just so people aren't confused Beric Dondarrion is still alive. He's the one who has been resurrected several times by the red priest with the group.

 

[alkemyst]

But if you've already lost the trial and you're doomed to be condemned, why would anyone agree to risk his life to fight you to the death? What if NO ONE accepts the challenge?

This was yesteryear's way of out LAWYERING someone 🙂

Might Makes Right!

Hell in our Senate and House in early days, people would duel or go to fisticuffs instead of allowing or to overrule a vote.

 

[techs]

I didn't read it that way. I saw it as hesitation because he couldn't know if this reward was yet another cruel trick.

I agree. I thought he might snap at some point and kill the bastard. Unfortunately due to a spoiler I know that he will stick around for the bastards, or rather, Rooses's plan to be carried out.

 

[Ichinisan]

You can choose yourself to fight. However, in Tyrion's case that is always a bad idea because he is a dwarf who can't fight. The Hound chose trial by combat and represented himself in this "trial".

And the trial wasn't over in Tyrion's case here. Seeing that the trial was rigged to damn him regardless of innocence, he determined his most likely way out of it was having someone represent him in a trial by combat.

I'm not really talking about this particular case with that particular participant, I'm talking about the system. If I'm the defendant, why would someone choose to risk his life and be my opponent in a fight to the death?

 

[smackababy]

I'm not really talking about this particular case with that particular participant, I'm talking about the system. If I'm the defendant, why would someone choose to risk his life and be my opponent in a fight to the death?

I think generally, you defend yourself in trials by combat. However, the motivation for being someone's champion can vary greatly I suppose. Take how Bronn was "moved" by Tyrion's speech in the Eyrie. He understood he, being a particularly well skilled sellsword, stood to make considerably more money defending Tyrion than remaining in Cat's service.

It is always about what you have to gain from it. The knights champion the Eyrie were seeking favor of Lysa.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I don't understand why anyone is even entertaining the idea that Jaime, the lord commander of the KINGSGUARD, is going to be the champion of the guy accused of killing the KING.

 

[Anubis]

apparently everything techs missed in the show is now a spoiler

 

[TheAdvocate]

Spoiler

.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Peter Dinklage killed it last night.

Absolutely brilliant.

 

[jerk-chicken]

I was very surprised to see the "whore"

 

[zinfamous]

Why not use Bronn again? He proved himself last time and he still has both of his hands.

Because Tyrion wants to fuck over Tywin and ruin his plans. The one thing the Lannister kids have in common with each other--even Cersei--is that they resent their father's rule over their lives.

This is Tyrion's chance to turn Tywin's scheming upside-down. Choosing Jamie is a checkmate move.

 

[zinfamous]

We havent seen Bronn and he could have bugged out wanting to keep his head. I personally believe he went on some kind of mission for Tyrion like finding Sansa.

He's been in the last 2-3 episodes--training with Jamie and in the previous episode, seeing Pod off with the manwomanknight person.

We didn't see Tyrion in the previous episode (but we knew he was in prison), but we did see Bronn.

 

[zinfamous]

I agree. I thought he might snap at some point and kill the bastard.

Spoiler

Unfortunately due to a spoiler I know that he will stick around for the bastards, or rather, Rooses's plan to be carried out

.

so now you're spoiling it for everyone else?

😀

 

[zinfamous]

I don't understand why anyone is even entertaining the idea that Jaime, the lord commander of the KINGSGUARD, is going to be the champion of the guy accused of killing the KING.

Have you been watching the show--particularly the last 3 episodes (including this episode--when Jamie agrees to step down)?

Regardless, I'm pretty sure that if that is how things turn out, you will again accuse me of being a book reader. 😀

 

[cronos]

I don't understand why anyone is even entertaining the idea that Jaime, the lord commander of the KINGSGUARD, is going to be the champion of the guy accused of killing the KING.

Did you even watch the past few episodes? From Jaime's side, he is convinced that Tyrion didn't do it, he even made a deal with his father to save Tyrion's life to do things he really didn't want to do before. He'll jump in for a chance to save his brother's life. From Tyrion's side, there's a history of Tyrion naming Jaime his champion. He makes the most sense, except for what I mentioned above, he's not as great a fighter as he once was because he lost his fighting hand, so it might not be such a great strategy for Tyrion to have Jaime represents him (although we really don't know how far he is in his training, which I mentioned above as well).

 

[Ichinisan]

I think generally, you defend yourself in trials by combat. However, the motivation for being someone's champion can vary greatly I suppose. Take how Bronn was "moved" by Tyrion's speech in the Eyrie. He understood he, being a particularly well skilled sellsword, stood to make considerably more money defending Tyrion than remaining in Cat's service.

It is always about what you have to gain from it. The knights champion the Eyrie were seeking favor of Lysa.

Opponent. What would motivate someone to fight AGAINST you? ...or against your champion, either way. If you couldn't find a challenger, do you lose the option for trial by combat?

 

[Phoenix86]

Opponent. What would motivate someone to fight AGAINST you? ...or against your champion, either way. If you couldn't find a challenger, do you lose the option for trial by combat?

It's good to be the king.

"Hey, you, fight as my champion."