Meh, it may not have been the best "finale" but it was a solid show IMO.
As for those predicting who will die next, I thought that by
killing off Rob and Ladies Stark
they'd already massively diverged from the plot of the books. Haven't read the books myself.
I'm looking forward to some serious action with the white walkers next season. Damned things have been around since the first minute of the show and we've still seen little more than a glimpse here and there, aside from Sam's hero moment.
most of the changes from the books have been small things... merging characters, drawing stuff out that was only hinted at in the books, that sorta stuff.
off the top of my head, the biggest change I can really think of is Arya's storyline. I felt like she kinda disappeared for awhile in the books, but the show has her traipsing all over Westeros ala Forrest Gump. I also feel like Margaery Tyrell has a more prominent role in the tv show, but it helps that she's played by a really phenomenal actress.
Clearly the theme of the episode was to set the stage for next season. For many of the characters it was about the choices they made.
Shae decided to stick with Tyrion. Arya decided to seek revenge. Bran decided to continue his journey. Threons sister decided to go get him back. Stannis decided to go to war against the Walkers, etc, etc.
That might be a first for the show. To its detriment if you ask me
My favorite characters thus far are Arya and the Hound. Arya is a badass, plain and simple. The hound is one of the most complex characters in the story . . . can't decide whether I should like him or hate him.
The finale overall was decent, but I thought it had a weak ending scene. A shot of danny being admired by he people she freed doesn't really leave me wanting to see what happens next season.
IMO as a non-reader, a more effective end would have been the Stannis scene. Have it cut to all the other lords reading the same message while Stannis is reading it, then end the show with Melisandre burning the note and starring speechlessly into the fire and Stannis asking "what do you see?" In the background.
he probably got confused when Ramsay murdered a whole bunch of his own men to trick Theon into believing he was also ironborn and was there to rescue Theon in order to gain Theon's trust and to eventually spill his guts and tell Ramsay everything.
pretty sure he did get some action; Walder Frey needs his daughter to pop out a son in order to completely gain control of the Riverlands, it's the reason Edmure is imprisoned instead of killed
the situation is not unlike how the Lannisters are still messing with Sansa in that they want Tyrion to get her knocked up and with a son to secure a claim to power in the North
most of the changes from the books have been small things... merging characters, drawing stuff out that was only hinted at in the books, that sorta stuff.
off the top of my head, the biggest change I can really think of is Arya's storyline. I felt like she kinda disappeared for awhile in the books, but the show has her traipsing all over Westeros ala Forrest Gump. I also feel like Margaery Tyrell has a more prominent role in the tv show, but it helps that she's played by a really phenomenal actress.
I think you might need to revisit the books, because Arya's story really isn't that different from the books, the only difference so far is that she killed a guard with the coin trick to escape Harrenhal and instead the show decided to not have that scene happen until now, which might also be merging a later scene from the books.
And while its not made as clear as the show, Margaery and the Tyrells under the Queen of Thorns are definitely hinted at as being a respectable power players in the books what with how unafraid/intimidated she is of Joffrey, how quickly they were able to recover from siding with Renly after his demise, and the whole flooding King's Landing with food and flowers to let the people know who was taking care of them.
Why would they fear her? The entire series is clearly setting her up as their salvation from the dead + white walkers which can only be killed with fire and Dragon Glass.
It's also how her family attained their rule long in the past.
Why would they fear her? The entire series is clearly setting her up as their salvation from the dead + white walkers which can only be killed with fire and Dragon Glass.
It's also how her family attained their rule long in the past.
Why would they fear her? The entire series is clearly setting her up as their salvation from the dead + white walkers which can only be killed with fire and Dragon Glass.
It's also how her family attained their rule long in the past.
Because perhaps they don't want to be ruled? Remember she want to "conquer" them. With dragons. Do you have a fire fetish or something? Most people don't like being roasted alive.
Speaking of the dragons, people killed dragons once. Any reason they couldn't do it again?
Anyone think Aegon will be introduced at the end of next season, or will they wait until season 5? Presuming that episode 9 is the shitting gold incident and escape, that would leave the finale, one episode would be plenty of time for Pentos right?
off the top of my head, the biggest change I can really think of is Arya's storyline. I felt like she kinda disappeared for awhile in the books, but the show has her traipsing all over Westeros ala Forrest Gump. I also feel like Margaery Tyrell has a more prominent role in the tv show, but it helps that she's played by a really phenomenal actress.
In the books Arya did travel with Gendry and Hotpie up the rivers, was intercepted by the brotherhood, escaped, recaptured by the Hound, and flees the wedding with him. It's accurate in that regard.
Margery definitely has a more prominent on screen role in the TV series vs the books. In the books she's described as being much loved by the people and it's certainly implied that she and Lady Olenna are astute power players.
The whole idea of Yara (Asha) Greyjoy sailing to save Theon is flat out made up though.
Anyone think Aegon will be introduced at the end of next season, or will they wait until season 5? Presuming that episode 9 is the shitting gold incident and escape, that would leave the finale, one episode would be plenty of time for Pentos right?
I doubt it. The timelines don't really work anyway if they're going to introduce him via Tyrion. I think the big deal about next season's finale will be Jon Snow being elected Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
They did a great job on the Red Wedding, but I thought the finale was a little flat this season. The whole Varys/Shae conversation was just...a waste of good screen time, imo. I really thought they'd end the episode with
In the books Arya did travel with Gendry and Hotpie up the rivers, was intercepted by the brotherhood, escaped, recaptured by the Hound, and flees the wedding with him. It's accurate in that regard.
Because perhaps they don't want to be ruled? Remember she want to "conquer" them. With dragons. Do you have a fire fetish or something? Most people don't like being roasted alive.
Speaking of the dragons, people killed dragons once. Any reason they couldn't do it again?
She'd be taking back her rightful place. They didn't "conquer" the first time. They used their dragons to maintain their rule though. The mad kings went mad due to incest due to trying to maintain pure blood through incest due to not all offspring having dragon blood (her brother, for example).
She would be saving them or ignoring them. If they don't want her as their ruler, she could just let the White Walkers finish them off and then start a new kingdom.
She'd be taking back her rightful place. They didn't "conquer" the first time. They used their dragons to maintain their rule though. The mad kings went mad due to incest due to trying to maintain pure blood through incest due to not all offspring having dragon blood (her brother, for example).
She would be saving them or ignoring them. If they don't want her as their ruler, she could just let the White Walkers finish them off and then start a new kingdom.
Aegon aspired to unite the seven Westerosi kingdoms under one ruler, and he was determined to be that ruler. A hundred years after the Doom, Aegon set forth from Dragonstone with his sister/wives Rhaenys and Visenya, their dragons, and a small force, landing at the mouth of the Blackwater Rush and beginning the Wars of Conquest. During his campaigns, Aegon was anointed king by the High Septon in Oldtown, leading to the unification of the Seven Kingdoms under Tlargaryen rule from the Iron Throne, starting a dynasty that lasted nearly 300 years. The area where the Targaryens had begun their conquest became the site of their new capitol, King's Landing.
The War of Conquest was the campaign in which Aegon I conquered Westeros. Supported by his two sisters, their dragons and a small army of soldiers, the Targaryens subdued six of the Seven Kingdoms.
Or they could let her destroy the White Walkers and then turn on her. Or they could figure out what Obsidian does for themselves. This is Game of Thrones, you're expecting a LOTR-ish heroic final battle where everyone beats the big bad, kisses and makes up?
They did conquer. Harrenhal was destroyed by dragons during their conquest. In their conquest, they also roasted the lords tried to stop them at the Field of Fire where they unleashed all three dragons. I think both events were mentioned in the show.
The Harrens were wiped out to be replaced by the Tullys in the Riverlands and the Greyjoys in the Iron Islands. The Gardeners were wiped out and replaced by the Tyrells. Durrendons were also wiped out and replaced by the Baratheons.
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