Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[Drako]

That reveal already happened, back when Bran went on his trip through the past.

The reveal is that Jon is not a bastard. That did not happen until last night. He may be the rightful ruler of Westeros, not a bastard.

 

[Red Storm]

The reveal is that Jon is not a bastard. That did not happen until last night. He may be the rightful ruler of Westeros, not a bastard.

Ah you mean the annulment thing, yeah you're right.

 

[brainhulk]

So we are coming up on the 2nd to last episode. Usually the penultimate episode is the Mic drop of the season. But I wonder how they will top the epic episode 4? The Hype is overflowing...

 

[z1ggy]

So we are coming up on the 2nd to last episode. Usually the penultimate episode is the Mic drop of the season. But I wonder how they will top the epic episode 4? The Hype is overflowing...

A dramatic fight/chase episode between Jon and Co. vs the Wights/ Walker King. Perhaps some more updates with Euron and that whole situation. Maybe a major development in the Arya v Sansa situation involving Lilfinger.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

yes, but I'm still not sure what Raegar's annulment really means in the end? He fathered some kids like Jon Snow, that we know of--annulment is just an annulment; blood is what maters and we already know where all that blood flows, right? It seems to me that the secret marriage was to Ned's sister? (I always thought it was mutual between them, no? and that the Ned/Robert story was that she was kidnapped and raped?)


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Are you kidding? That was the biggest thing to happen in the entire episode, maybe the biggest to happen in the entire season. Rhaegar got an annulment and remarried at the same time. Jon isn't a bastard, he's the trueborn son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. And, he's ahead of Dany in the line of succession. HE is the one with the best claim to the throne. As soon as Gilly mentioned the immediate remarriage it was like dropping a bomb on the entire story line.

 

[brainhulk]

A dramatic fight/chase episode between Jon and Co. vs the Wights/ Walker King. Perhaps some more updates with Euron and that whole situation. Maybe a major development in the Arya v Sansa situation involving Lilfinger.

It predict Jon gets captured and the Night King turns him into a white walker.

Hows that for setup for season 8...lol

 

[tommo123]

I'm slightly confused how a few bro's are gonna go out there and manage to pick off just a few WW'ers while they are all marching in a large pile of death toward the wall? Should be interesting.

Further... Why would Tyrion and crew think Cersei would agree to an armistice to what I assume would be to "help" Danny & JS fight the walkers? Wouldn't it be in her best interest to let JS and company die to the hands of the walkers, all while softening them up for her so her army can defeat them? I mean, not that they COULD defeat the army of the dead, but if I was her... Even if I did believe that threat was real, it wouldn't really seem like a huge win - win.

the WW raise the dead right? fighting together to beat them might be the only chance they get. do it 1 army at a time will lead to that army losing and their dead joining the WW army. repeat for every army that comes after

 

[Skel]

yes, but I'm still not sure what Raegar's annulment really means in the end? He fathered some kids like Jon Snow, that we know of--annulment is just an annulment; blood is what maters and we already know where all that blood flows, right? It seems to me that the secret marriage was to Ned's sister? (I always thought it was mutual between them, no? and that the Ned/Robert story was that she was kidnapped and raped?)



anyway...row row row your boat! lol--BOUT TIME that fucker found his way off the boat.

I did laugh when Davos said he thought he might have still been out there rowing.

Big reveal that John isn't a bastard.

Awesome seeing Aria fall for Little Finger's honey pot.

Cool that Sam is now the lord of house Tarly - equipped with a valerian sword - and done dropped out of grad school!

The board game clearly allows you to take ship-bridges across the ocean. So the show is using the same logic, which yes, means you can get to dragon stone to kings landing, then fall back to castle black. You'd need ships in ship beaker bay, black water bay, the narrow sea, and the shivering sea.

The best part is I'm not sure Sam knows he's the Lord of that house yet, I'm also not sure what's left of it. A good chunk did die during the battle.

I'm pretty sure now that he intends to lay claim to his cousin's nether regions though!
(or she very clearly wants him to, after Drogon seemed to dig Jon--who, I'm guessing, smelled Targaryean blood. And yeah, so Jon is "a real dragon," but not pure Targaryean?)

This is going to be more disturbing than Luke and Leia in Empire, and I'm pretty sure that the Fat Man really wants the audience to be that disturbed.

Tyrion got the same reaction from the Dragons, so them liking someone is not just a Targaryen thing.... unless someone is going to bring up the idea that Tyrion is a Targaryean, which at this point would be stupid as only one throw away line that could be taken as his father just hated him because he wasn't perfect like Jamie has been the only thing remotely connecting that.

John is a rightful Targaryen heir - the rightful heir to the throne in their patriarchal society.

I honestly don't think this is the case.. it's probable agree, but I think he's Robert Baratheon's kid.

Plus the dragon purring like a kitten to John points that he has the blood in his veins.

See above.. just because a Dragon likes someone hasn't been shown to be a Targaryean only thing.. I'm sure it helps, but Dragons seemed to be like cats, they like who they like and hiss at everyone else.

Are you kidding? That was the biggest thing to happen in the entire episode, maybe the biggest to happen in the entire season. Rhaegar got an annulment and remarried at the same time. Jon isn't a bastard, he's the trueborn son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. And, he's ahead of Dany in the line of succession. HE is the one with the best claim to the throne. As soon as Gilly mentioned the immediate remarriage it was like dropping a bomb on the entire story line.

I still think that Jon is really Robert Baratheon's kid. The reason that Ned's sister said "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him" could be more about protecting Robert's kingdom. If he legitimizes Jon be his son, which we're under the impression that he would without hesitation based upon how much he cared, it would make his life complicated. He'd be the guy that impregnated someone else's kid as Rhaegar was Lyanna's husband, not to mention that him marrying a Lannister would be also problematic. Also the whole hair color matters that the made a big plot point in the first season would make Jon look more Baratheon than the white haired Targaryean, which both Dany and her brother were in the first season. Also the whole love overtones they're really going out of their way to put on Jon and Dany would suddenly be creepy. While they haven't gone far with that, it's still there. Ultimately, the smart money is on Jon being a Targaryen, but there's a case for him to really be a Baratheon

 

[Drako]

I honestly don't think this is the case.. it's probable agree, but I think he's Robert Baratheon's kid.

I still think that Jon is really Robert Baratheon's kid. The reason that Ned's sister said "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him" could be more about protecting Robert's kingdom. If he legitimizes Jon be his son, which we're under the impression that he would without hesitation based upon how much he cared, it would make his life complicated. He'd be the guy that impregnated someone else's kid as Rhaegar was Lyanna's husband, not to mention that him marrying a Lannister would be also problematic. Also the whole hair color matters that the made a big plot point in the first season would make Jon look more Baratheon than the white haired Targaryean, which both Dany and her brother were in the first season. Also the whole love overtones they're really going out of their way to put on Jon and Dany would suddenly be creepy. While they haven't gone far with that, it's still there. Ultimately, the smart money is on Jon being a Targaryen, but there's a case for him to really be a Baratheon

It's almost like some people don't watch all the episodes or something.

Did you watch any of last season?

The reason Lyanna said "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him", is that Robert would immediately have had Jon killed, since he's a Targaryen.

 

[zinfamous]

I still think that Jon is really Robert Baratheon's kid. The reason that Ned's sister said "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him" could be more about protecting Robert's kingdom. If he legitimizes Jon be his son, which we're under the impression that he would without hesitation based upon how much he cared, it would make his life complicated. He'd be the guy that impregnated someone else's kid as Rhaegar was Lyanna's husband, not to mention that him marrying a Lannister would be also problematic. Also the whole hair color matters that the made a big plot point in the first season would make Jon look more Baratheon than the white haired Targaryean, which both Dany and her brother were in the first season. Also the whole love overtones they're really going out of their way to put on Jon and Dany would suddenly be creepy. While they haven't gone far with that, it's still there. Ultimately, the smart money is on Jon being a Targaryen, but there's a case for him to really be a Baratheon

"Black of hair." You do make a good point. One would think that Jon would have silver/grey/white hair if he were a Targaryen, but then that would have been very obvious all along. I think Ned would have been equally protective of Jon's identity from Robert either way: the son and rightful heir of the enemy Targaryens (also how he forcefully opposed the murder of Dany); or Robert's own legitimate son, which would have destroyed the alliance and the peace made with the Lannisters.

But still, why the annulment for Rhaegar to marry Ned's sister?

 

[zinfamous]

It's almost like some people don't watch all the episodes or something.

Did you watch any of last season?

The reason Lyanna said "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him", is that Robert would immediately have had Jon killed.

That's the obvious answer, but Skel still makes a good point that Jon being Robert's kid is just as dangerous. "The seed is strong" was several episodes throughout season 1, and is very likely relevant here again. maybe.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Tyrion got the same reaction from the Dragons, so them liking someone is not just a Targaryen thing.... unless someone is going to bring up the idea that Tyrion is a Targaryean, which at this point would be stupid as only one throw away line that could be taken as his father just hated him because he wasn't perfect like Jamie has been the only thing remotely connecting that.



I honestly don't think this is the case.. it's probable agree, but I think he's Robert Baratheon's kid.



See above.. just because a Dragon likes someone hasn't been shown to be a Targaryean only thing.. I'm sure it helps, but Dragons seemed to be like cats, they like who they like and hiss at everyone else.



I still think that Jon is really Robert Baratheon's kid. T

So much stupid in so little time. Congrats!!

It's more than a throwaway line. The "I can't prove you're not mine" is a throwaway line. To anyone paying attention it's a hell of a lot more. To anyone with a brain, the whole idea of Tywin not turning over the house to Tyrion was HIGHLY suspect. By then Tywin grudgingly respected Tyrion's acumen, his ability to lead and his savvy in both politics and military tactics. He made him Hand of the King to rule because Joffrey was too young and Cersei proved she was stupid. And still, with Jaime Kingsguard and unable to have kids Tywin was going to have no heir rather than acknowledging Tyrion. Tywin, to whom family was everything, would let Kevan or his brood take over Casterly Rock and rule the family rather than Tyrion. Who was good enough to temporarily rule the Seven Kingdoms, but not house Lannister. That's important.

And if you think Jon is Robert's son after last season, no wonder you missed the subtext about Tyrion no inheriting. You're too stupid to understand anything that isn't spelled out in a giant flashing neon sign. Robert's kid? Wow. The gene pool weeps that you're a part of it.

 

[Drako]

That's the obvious answer, but Skel still makes a good point that Jon being Robert's kid is just as dangerous. "The seed is strong" was several episodes throughout season 1, and is very likely relevant here again. maybe.

So I guess that makes both Robb and Arya, Robert's kids as well since they have black hair and dark eyes? :hmm:

 

[KMFJD]

So they are going to capture a WW or some type of undead and by bringing him across the wall the magic of the wall is broken?

 

[zinfamous]

So I guess that makes both Robb and Arya, Robert's kids as well since they have black hair and dark eyes? :hmm:

no, but it makes you wonder why Jon doesn't have white or silver hair if he is to be a Targaryen. Just because he isn't perfectly inbred? Maybe, I can certainly buy that. I do like the idea of the misdirection, though.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah I mean I would chalk his hair color up to not having the same 2 parents as the other ones.

 

[Jeeebus]

So they are going to capture a WW or some type of undead and by bringing him across the wall the magic of the wall is broken?

That wouldn't make sense given that they already brought undead across the wall into Castle Black which then attacked Lord Commander Mormont.

 

[Drako]

no, but it makes you wonder why Jon doesn't have white or silver hair if he is to be a Targaryen. Just because he isn't perfectly inbred? Maybe, I can certainly buy that. I do like the idea of the misdirection, though.

It didn't make me wonder, as I know a little about biology.

If Jon had two white haired parents, then yeah, he probably would have white hair.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

That wouldn't make sense given that they already brought undead across the wall into Castle Black which then attacked Lord Commander Mormont.

Yes, if anything breaks the magic of the wall it's Bran. Him being touched by the Night's King broke the magic protecting the cave of the Children of the Forest, so it's not too far fetched to assume that it would also cause problems with the similar magic protecting the wall.

And ultimately, the wall might prove to be as effective as the Maginot Line. With Winter now firmly gripping the north the ocean might ice over enough to allow the army of the dead to simply walk around the wall. Perhaps the Dead are not approaching Eastwatch because they expect it to be lightly manned, they just know that's the place to get around the wall.

 

[Skel]

So much stupid in so little time. Congrats!!

It's more than a throwaway line. The "I can't prove you're not mine" is a throwaway line. To anyone paying attention it's a hell of a lot more. To anyone with a brain, the whole idea of Tywin not turning over the house to Tyrion was HIGHLY suspect. By then Tywin grudgingly respected Tyrion's acumen, his ability to lead and his savvy in both politics and military tactics. He made him Hand of the King to rule because Joffrey was too young and Cersei proved she was stupid. And still, with Jaime Kingsguard and unable to have kids Tywin was going to have no heir rather than acknowledging Tyrion. Tywin, to whom family was everything, would let Kevan or his brood take over Casterly Rock and rule the family rather than Tyrion. Who was good enough to temporarily rule the Seven Kingdoms, but not house Lannister. That's important.

And if you think Jon is Robert's son after last season, no wonder you missed the subtext about Tyrion no inheriting. You're too stupid to understand anything that isn't spelled out in a giant flashing neon sign. Robert's kid? Wow. The gene pool weeps that you're a part of it.

Not sure why you're going into full on dick mode over a post, but hey, to each their own. As for Tyrion.. past the line, all of the reasons you've stated have been explained by the fact that is said over and over again in the show that Tywin hated Tyrion because he A) caused the death of his mother, and most importantly B) hated him because he was a dwarf and not a perfect son. In this past episode Tyrion even says this during his talk with Jamie. Past that, please show me anything else that makes Tyrion being a Targaryen so obvious that everyone else misses it. Everyone I've asked about it have all said they don't know of anything that connects Tyrion to the Targaryen. Maybe it's a book thing as you've thrown crap in here that's in the books, but as for the show, please tell me what episodes have all these obvious signs that Tyrion really isn't Tywin's kid, let alone a Targaryen. Hell, every single wiki on the show that I've seen on it (and I've been looking) ALL say he's Tywin's kid and I haven't seen any that talk about him possibly being a Targaryen.

Oddly enough then you double down on me by claiming my post that it's possible that Jon is a Baratheon yet that has more to the idea than anything you've put forth on Tyrion being a Targaryen. It's a bit bizarre that you put forth a idea that as of yet has no substance past your own wants, yet attack an idea that has enough clouding around it to make it possible.

Yes, the odds are really strong that Jon is a Targaryen, however it's also possible it's a misdirection as all the clues hit you over the head with it. This show does try to be clever and makes you think it's one thing only to flip it around.

Either way, please feel free to continue to be a dick towards me, just as long as you provide something that makes actual case about Tyrion that hasn't already been explained away in the show itself.

 

[purbeast0]

He's a dick to everyone not just you. It's his schtick.

 

[Udgnim]

What is Arya going to do now that she knows Sansa asked Robb to bend the knee to Joffrey? Little Finger is such a scheming prick.

talk to Sansa about it if she isn't an idiot

 

[Drako]

talk to Sansa about it if she isn't an idiot

Their last conversation seemed a bit on the terse side, and this is just another wedge between them.

 

[interchange]

Not sure why you're going into full on dick mode over a post, but hey, to each their own. As for Tyrion.. past the line, all of the reasons you've stated have been explained by the fact that is said over and over again in the show that Tywin hated Tyrion because he A) caused the death of his mother, and most importantly B) hated him because he was a dwarf and not a perfect son. In this past episode Tyrion even says this during his talk with Jamie. Past that, please show me anything else that makes Tyrion being a Targaryen so obvious that everyone else misses it. Everyone I've asked about it have all said they don't know of anything that connects Tyrion to the Targaryen. Maybe it's a book thing as you've thrown crap in here that's in the books, but as for the show, please tell me what episodes have all these obvious signs that Tyrion really isn't Tywin's kid, let alone a Targaryen. Hell, every single wiki on the show that I've seen on it (and I've been looking) ALL say he's Tywin's kid and I haven't seen any that talk about him possibly being a Targaryen.

Oddly enough then you double down on me by claiming my post that it's possible that Jon is a Baratheon yet that has more to the idea than anything you've put forth on Tyrion being a Targaryen. It's a bit bizarre that you put forth a idea that as of yet has no substance past your own wants, yet attack an idea that has enough clouding around it to make it possible.

Yes, the odds are really strong that Jon is a Targaryen, however it's also possible it's a misdirection as all the clues hit you over the head with it. This show does try to be clever and makes you think it's one thing only to flip it around.

Either way, please feel free to continue to be a dick towards me, just as long as you provide something that makes actual case about Tyrion that hasn't already been explained away in the show itself.

I'm not there droid you're looking for, but I'll add some things:
"The dragon has three heads" (Dany, Jon, Tyrion?)
Rhaegar was obsessed with Tywin's wife
All three of Dany, Jon, and Tyrion had mothers die during childbirth

 

[Skel]

I'm not there droid you're looking for, but I'll add some things:
"The dragon has three heads" (Dany, Jon, Tyrion?)
Rhaegar was obsessed with Tywin's wife
All three of Dany, Jon, and Tyrion had mothers die during childbirth

Smart money says that Jon's a Targaryean. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying they're being coy enough that it could have a twist, and it could fit that Jon is a Baratheon. There hasn't been anything that directly says he isn't, or much that would block it past Ned's sister saying Robert would do something, and even that isn't clear cut (the scene of Bran watching Ned talk to his sister mutes her words until it's "If Robert finds out... you know he will, you have to protect him"). We the viewers are assuming that means Robert would kill the kid, but if it was that clear why not just say that Robert would kill the kid? We just know for sure is he's not Ned's. At this point only very few people will be surprised if he's a Targaryean so I'm not sure why they haven't announced it yet . Not sure why they'd hold back the big revel unless it's not the revel people think it'll be. Having said that, I again agree that it's probable it's just them dragging out Jon's a Targaryean.

Martin has said "Three heads of the dragon... yes... but the third will not necessarily BE a Targaryen..." so it could be as simple as Bran taking over a dragon. Hell as I searched for more proof that Tyrion is a Targaryean I came across this link which thinks that he's the only one that is a Lannister. The only thing the show has said is Tywin really hated Tyrion, but not once that I recall did they ever hint that he hated him because there were doubts upon who his father was.